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cheetah7071 posted:I did my first qualifier in the S4 tournament and got 48th out of just over a hundred people. It looks like a bit over 200 people have completed at least one qual so if I keep that up (big if) I can squeak in the bottom of top 100 for the runners up tourney Good job, those finishes were coming in super close together.
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I feel kinda bad because for the first ~5 minutes I was running at 16 fps but it took me that long to realize that the framerate drop was due to running OBS' stream preview. Even gaining 30-45 second would have bumped me up a place or two. Though the scoring is based on raw time, not placement.
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So I've never played a randomizer but watched a lot of runs and it seems like a good time. OoT was one of my favorite games growing up, but I've not really touched it in a decade and I really don't know any tricks. Should I brush up on the base game first? Or are there newer player friendly settings to use? I'm no stranger to getting destroyed by rng but I'd hate to get completely stuck because it's been so long or I need some sort of glitch that I don't know how to do
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Elvis_Maximus posted:So I've never played a randomizer but watched a lot of runs and it seems like a good time. OoT was one of my favorite games growing up, but I've not really touched it in a decade and I really don't know any tricks. If you played it a ton as a kid you're probably fine to just jump in. The logic doesn't assume any glitches, though it does assume some I put together options that should be good for first time players. Better than the default "beginner" options which I think have a lot of issues--it prioritizes similarity to vanilla over a good rando experience imo. The settings string is AJTWXCBSKJA8EHSDEAAAACBBLTDDAKJ8S8AAAAN3BAJAAWBLLAA Some of the important differences from vanilla are: -Door of Time is open. You can switch between child and adult whenever you want -Entering Ganon's Castle requires all six medallions (unlike vanilla which only requires spirit and shadow). The trials start completed and the lock on ganon's boss door is removed, so once you have the medallions you can just go beat the game. The only reason to explore Ganon's Castle is if light arrows are in it -You will not have to do three checks: 40 gold skulltulas, 50 gold skulltulas, and mask of truth in deku scrub theater. Those ones are just kind of mean. The OP has a lot of links to useful pages, and this thread can also help. Make sure to click "generate seed" not "generate race seed", or you won't have a spoiler log to fall back on if you get stuck.
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It sounds like you're pretty familiar with the game already, so I agree, just jump into rando and use a tracker. I like this one.
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Nice, thanks for the link to a seed and a tracker! Gonna take a stab at it this weekend/later this week and I'll report back. Unless that's kinda making GBS threads up the thread in which case I won't! Pretty excited tbh, I've been watching these things for awhile so it's cool to finally give it a try, if a bit intimidating!
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Nice, thanks for the link to a seed and a tracker! Gonna take a stab at it this weekend/later this week and I'll report back. Unless that's kinda making GBS threads up the thread in which case I won't! hell yeah 
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Oook, so here's where I'm at so far on the seed! Child Link Start: Kokiri Forest 1 Mido's house -Lens of truth -Magic -Huge Rupee (RIP) -Hammer Kokiri Sword Chest -Blue rupee Kokiri Forest Eye Stone: Plundering the shadow temple is a foolish choice Skull kid game - poh At some point I got bombchus, but I forget which chest! Marked it on my tracker though Deku Scrub Salesman in ocarina area: Bombchus Eye stone: Final prize of thieves area = piece of heart To goron city! Goron City: Eye stone near forge man: Forest temple = hoverboots Kinda useless, I didn't want to use any more bombchus to get random things, so I decided to just open the entrance to dodongo and leave South Hyrule Grotto: Gerudo's Fortress has Deku Nuts (5 Pieces!?!?) Deku nuts rip Lon Lon Ranch Tower: Full heart piece, guess there's a dungeon with an item for the boss Castle Town: Man the shooting game is harder than I remember.. also after reseting I now remember that you get warped to the child house if you save and quit then reload. In the future I should probably just do save states since I'm not racing! Didn't make it back before the bridge unfortunately Kakariko: Slingshot in the cow cage.. a few chicken stunts later and I got the slingshot Potion Hut Hole? Big Poes lead to Big goron sword also a deku stick hooray Chicken puzzle was... blue rupee Castle Grounds: Piece of heart in kakariko village Din's Fire can be found in the graveyard Castle town 2: Shooting game? Piece of heart  Dog Minigame? Gold rupee Temple of Time Blue rupee in sacred forest meadow Shiek waits at a monument to time to teach Saria's song Wallet can be found in Kakariko village (Song of Storms?) Spinning Goron Pottery: Purple Rupee At this point I was out of ideas and still hadn't found the sword. So... To Adult! Sure enough Saria's Song Hyrule Field Adult: Hole near Castle Town with hammer: Recovery heart, hint: Kokiri Forest is on the way of the hero..? SE Hyrule Hole: Piece of Heart, Plundering Gerudo Valley is a foolish choice Kakariko Village: Anju Adult: Milk Bottle Song Of Storms Dude: Bolero of Fire Lost Woods Adult: Rock near the goron city entrance: Red rupee, hint: They say that Okami is the best Zelda game... HEY! Double shrub vendor thing: red rupee and arrows Forest Temple Maze: Hints: Spirit Temple holds 5 bombs, Ocarina of time teaches the requiem of spirit Forest Temple Entrance: Song of Storms At this point I'd been playing for 2 hours, because I'm very slow and don't know how to route efficiently yet. Putting together the hints I've got I think I learned the following: Shadow temple isn't worth visiting, and neither is Gerudo valley. Kokiri forest has something important in it, but I'm not sure what yet as I don't know what "on the way of the hero means." I'm p sure my next targets should be Dampe's game and the hole that I gotta kill the redead in as well as finishing up anything in kakariko since I don't believe I can get into any temples yet, barring the fire temple. Don't have the goron cloak yet though so I'm not sure I can beat the boss there! Looking forward to going back in when I've got time! Keeping the timer around so I can get a semi-accurate final time
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If you check the pedestal in the temple of time, it'll tell you which dungeons have medallions. Useful for knowing which are optional and which are mandatory
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"Way of the hero" means that there's an item in that location which is 100% required to complete the seed. In this case, probably the hammer
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cheetah7071 posted:"Way of the hero" means that there's an item in that location which is 100% required to complete the seed. In this case, probably the hammer I actually already have the hammer, so it must be something else! But good to know, I was planning on checking it anyway because I started with the forest medallion so there must be something else there, but not sure what it could be Edit oh I see what you're saying, that's probably not relevant anymore because it was referring to the item I already picked up. Makes sense!
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The regions indicated by hints are actually pretty narrow. "Kokiri Forest" just means a single scene, with 6 checks--four in Mido's House, one in the sword chest, and one in a grotto. Deku Tree, Lost Woods, Sacred Forest Meadow, and Forest Temple are all separate zones.
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cheetah7071 posted:The regions indicated by hints are actually pretty narrow. "Kokiri Forest" just means a single scene, with 6 checks--four in Mido's House, one in the sword chest, and one in a grotto. Deku Tree, Lost Woods, Sacred Forest Meadow, and Forest Temple are all separate zones. Ahh ok, that's sort of what I figured but I wasn't entirely sure. Definitely gotta be the hammer then since Bombchus weren't in logic. Considering that + the fire dungeon seems to be important in this seed I was thinking about heading there. Without the goron tunic it might be kind of tricky since I'm still getting my zelda legs back however. I believe the only part of the fire temple that requires the tunic is the actual boss arena right? Then again, I'm pretty sure I need the bow for a few rooms there, so I might not actually be able to clear much of it. Edit: I'm open to a recommendation of where to hit next if there's any recommended spots that I didn't list above! I think I've got a plan, but I don't think it's very efficient and probably leaving a lot of locations open.  Is my current status, just to make it clearer! It's been really fun so far, it's kinda like a fun brain teaser and I"m looking forward to completing it (and then trying again with what I've learned) Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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The game won't expect you to do the boss or anything after the elevator room in Fire Temple without the tunic, but you can still go to check it out. There's a chance you need the bow but it depends on where the keys are located, as if you find enough you can get into the bow-locked area over the fence from the next room.
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How many Skulltula tokens do you have? It's not unheard of for the 10 or 20 skulltula items to be progress.
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Aston posted:The game won't expect you to do the boss or anything after the elevator room in Fire Temple without the tunic, but you can still go to check it out. There's a chance you need the bow but it depends on where the keys are located, as if you find enough you can get into the bow-locked area over the fence from the next room. Ok good to know, I might as well go give it a poke and see what I can find then. I got the song and 4 hearts no shield no problem imo Honestly part of the fun of randomizer to me so far has been just doing things in a different order as it comes up. I know you can do that in the base game but it's fun to be required to do it, you know? PMush Perfect posted:How many Skulltula tokens do you have? It's not unheard of for the 10 or 20 skulltula items to be progress. Oh man, I hadn't been collecting them since I had enough to think about already and thought that the logic settings wasn't going to put progression items behind the tokens. But just now I'm realizing that the logic settings specified that it wouldn't be putting any major items behind the 40 or 50 token rewards... but that doesn't mean it couldn't be behind the others! Looks like I got some sweeping to do. Luckily I have the sun song now so it's way easier to get them to pop out.
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With Lens, magic, and Song of Storms, Bottom of the Well is a pretty likely place to look for progression, though you can't finish it without Zelda's Lullaby. You can get 5, maybe 7 in-logic checks (the maybe is depending on where the small keys are - don't spend keys on the two rooms near the center, they only have boomerang-locked skulltulas), and if you've got some chus you can get 3 more out-of-logic. IIRC anyway. And those checks are all pretty quick. At the very least, that probably ought to be the first place you go the next time you go child. While you're there, my hot hot OOTR pro tip is that the like-like can spit you into the nearby skulltula's token, which otherwise would require boomerang.
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You should go for songs next, imo. You have, easily available: -song from Impa at Hyrule Castle (child) -song from Malon at Lon Lon (child) -song from Saria at Sacred Forest Meadow (child) -song from windmill guy at Kakariko (adult) -song from Shiek at Sacred Forest Meadow (adult) -song from Shiek at Death Mountain Crater (adult) -song from Shiek at Temple of Time (adult) That's seven available, but you only have four songs. I bet one of the missing songs is Zelda's Lullaby which will open up a lot of stuff
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I'd actually done Impa, Windmill, Shiek at Sacred Forest and Shiek at Temple of time when I'd posted that. I got some more time, so excuse the wall of text again! Taking the advice from the thread, I had an extremely productive night of randomizer: Starting as an adult Fire Temple: Chest with the Goron Behind the Switch: Boss key, still ain't fighting him tunicless though! Flare dancer near boss key: recovery heart womp womp Boss Key Chest: Small key Kakariko Graveyard Adult: Heart Piece Fairy Fountain Chest: Din's Fire Redead Chest: Blue rupee Dampe Race 1: Piece Of Heart At this point I tried to leave and realized, uh oh, I don't have the song of time and therefore can't actually leave. Save and restart back to Temple of Time Decided to head to goron city before I go child again, so back through kakariko. I made a quick stop in dodongo's cavern to clear out what I can get to first however Dodongo's Cavern Adult: Dungeon Map Room: KOKIRI SWORD! Finally! Deku Shrub Vendor: Deku Shield, get outta here Eye Stone in Cavern: "Ganon's Castle hoards a blue potion bottle" Hidden Shrub Vendor: Deku Sticks, 1 for 15 rupees Compass Chest: Recovery Heart rip stairs lowered Bomb Flower Platform: Blue Rupee Turns out you can't jump around the fire to get to the bomb bag, so I guess I'm stuck here, on to goron city! Goron City Adult: East Boulder Maze Chest: Blue Rupee, sure are a lot of these Eye stone in boulder maze: They say that quest guidance can be found at a talking rock.. not sure if this is sarcastic though? West Boulder Maze Chest: Heart Container Center Boulder Maze Chest: Red Rupee Back to the temple of time to turn into a child Medallion List: Light Medallion in Spirit Temple, I thought that was a "fools errand" from the rocks though.. Fire Medallion in Dodongo's Cavern, hit that as a child Water Medallion in Forest Temple Shadow Medallion in... shadow temple, boring Spirit Medallion in Jabu Jabu Already have forest medallion, so these are the dungeons I need which I guess means I need mirror shield, bomb bag, hookshot & bow, lens of truth & hover boots and a boomerang to complete the game Back to child! Lon lon Ranch: Malon: Zelda's Lullaby, nice! Chicken Game: Blue rupee jesus Bottom of the Well: Front Left hidden: Small Key Big Chest: Bomb bag, everything's coming up Milhouse Oh poo poo forgot that there's a hole there Basement chest: Blue rupee arrghhhh Back Left Bombable: Goron's bracelet Center Small Chest: Small key Front Center: Blue Rupee Shield Eater Chest, uh, whichever that is: Small Key I believe? Underwater Left Chest: Bombchus Coffin Key: Not sure which this is, but the coffins had a recovery heart and a red rupee in it, so I'm pretty sure that's about it Underwater Center Chest: Iron boots, man there's been a lot of stuff down here Boss Defeat Chest: Small key Invisible chest: Hookshot, nice! I have no idea where the "Locked pit chest" is but I don't see any more on the map so I'm pretty sure I got it? Goron City Child: Get Darunia groovin for items: Huge rupee, rip my child wallet Rolling boy goron: Silver scale Spinning Pot: Purple Rupee, at least I think I got it? I actually wasn't paying attention to the face Lost Woods Child: Sacred Meadow: Song of time, that'll actually be really helpful Time: 4.5 hours and change, forgot to start my timer again after I ate some dinner My current status is:  I think I'm really making progress! Of the essential items I need I've got almost half of them already. Remaining to be collected are: hover boots, mirror shield, bow and boomerang Picking it up next time I'll knock out Deku tree real quick, then head back to Dodongo's cavern to polish that off and collect the medallion! I hit the remaining songs on the list as mentioned in the giant wall of text, weirdly I've still only got the one warping song. Unfortunately it's not an essential dungeon, but if I can just find myself the larger wallet, which seems like it's in kakariko, I should be able to polish off the fire temple as well.
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Turns out you can't jump around the fire to get to the bomb bag, so I guess I'm stuck here, on to goron city! You can actually keep going with a moderately tricky jump. The seed won't expect you to do this though, it's just a bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqChoLWBYfs The seed might expect you to do this with hover boots, which makes it a lot easier. quote:Light Medallion in Spirit Temple, I thought that was a "fools errand" from the rocks though.. That just means none of the chests are any good. The dungeon reward might still be a medallion. quote:I have no idea where the "Locked pit chest" is but I don't see any more on the map so I'm pretty sure I got it? I think that's the room with the fire keese before the likelike.
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cheetah7071 posted:You can actually keep going with a moderately tricky jump. The seed won't expect you to do this though, it's just a bonus: This jump isn't too hard IMO, definitely worth trying a few times if you're there and don't have another way up. If you have bombs and an adult shield, there's also a pretty easy glitch you can use called a "ground jump" (there's plenty of video guides you can google) that can get you up, also. And if you come back with hovers, it's piss-easy to walk off the corner and grab the ledge instead of jumping. Now that you have bombs, songs, etc., the next thing to do after Deku Tree is probably clean up a bunch of stuff in the overworld, maybe finish Dodongo's, maybe partial Gerudo Training Ground - just check your tracker for ideas. You're looking for a bow (to do Forest and other stuff), either hovers or longshot (to get to Spirit for the song and a couple other checks), or Ruto's Letter (to do Zora's Fountain and Ice Cavern including a song, also Jabu if you got the 'rang), mostly. Getting Nocturne plus hovers gets you all the way through Shadow, is hard-required in this seed. If you get the Silver Gauntlets and a bow, you can full-clear Gerudo Training Ground. If you get the Silver Gauntlets, Mirror Shield, and access to Spirit, you might be able to clear all except the child-only checks, depending on the small key distribution.
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Just finished up this seed. Things started off great, but I then got thrown for a big loop. -standard settings (no -sanities, open forest/Door of Time) -trials off -one Big Poe needed for item -a few tunic color changes https://ootrandomizer.com/seed/get?id=680082 Took me 7.5 hours overall - which is the fastest I've ever done a seed but still a far cry from the sub 4 hours I want eventually. Both Jabu-Jabu and Shadow Temple are required. In order to get the boomerang and Lens of Truth, though, you will need to go to the (medallionless) Spirit Temple as both Child and Adult, which gets you the weird egg. You can then get Epona's Song at the Zelda's Lullaby location. Then, you can get the Lens of Truth from Talon's chicken game and the Boomerang from capturing one Big Poe. The bow is also in the (medallionless) Spirit Temple I also completely forgot that there are some very conveniently located bomb flowers for stopping Link the Rolling Goron, so I spent way too long without the bomb bag.
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If your goal is consistent sub-4 hours, shuffling weird egg (and, if I'm reading these settings right, keeping in all the things like guard stealth) will be going against you. That said, you'll naturally gain a few hours from your first few seeds just by getting used to moving in OoT, and learning the dungeon layouts, before you even spend all that much time optimizing. I believe in you!
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There will be a few dungeons where you sort of have no choice but to sit down and practice them if you want to do well in them though; Shadow Temple probably tops the list because lensless can save you an hour if lens is in a bad spot if you just memorize where all the hidden things are.
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cheetah7071 posted:If your goal is consistent sub-4 hours, shuffling weird egg (and, if I'm reading these settings right, keeping in all the things like guard stealth) will be going against you. That said, you'll naturally gain a few hours from your first few seeds just by getting used to moving in OoT, and learning the dungeon layouts, before you even spend all that much time optimizing. I believe in you! It was the weird egg in particular that made this seed take so long, plus a couple (ultimately foolish) dips into Dodongo's Cavern and Ice Cavern when I ran out of ideas. cheetah7071 posted:There will be a few dungeons where you sort of have no choice but to sit down and practice them if you want to do well in them though; Shadow Temple probably tops the list because lensless can save you an hour if lens is in a bad spot if you just memorize where all the hidden things are. Huh, I thought my 20-minute Shadow Temple was decent but looking at Dotzo's Video I can save about six minutes. I do have the vanilla seed for practice, but never really sat down and optimized more than the first half of the dungeons - maybe I should fix that and learn the second half.
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Honestly, Lensless Shadow is easy enough that there are fairly common rulesets that expect it. And it already needs so many loving items (Nocturne, magic, Din’s Fire, hover boots, bombchus and hookshot at BARE minimum, if you know the easy skips) it’s usually last dungeon anyways.
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PMush Perfect posted:Honestly, Lensless Shadow is easy enough that there are fairly common rulesets that expect it. And it already needs so many loving items (Nocturne, magic, Din’s Fire, hover boots, bombchus and hookshot at BARE minimum, if you know the easy skips) it’s usually last dungeon anyways. It's been a while since I played but bombchus? Instead of bow? Edit: instead of bombs and bow, of course. Never mind.
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Man with Hat posted:It's been a while since I played but bombchus? Instead of bow?
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PMush Perfect posted:Honestly, I'm not sure if I should even call the skip bringing down the bridge "easy", the positioning is finicky and needing to try again is extremely punishing. Yeah I've never done it, always waited for longshot or bow before going there (or Farore's Wind if I'm really short on stuff)
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Man with Hat posted:Yeah I've never done it, always waited for longshot or bow before going there (or Farore's Wind if I'm really short on stuff)
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Every time I go into shadow thinking "well, this time I guess I'll need to learn chu bridge" the game bails me out and gives me a bow in shadow itself
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I’m currently playing a seed where I got down to 4 song checks remaining without finding ZL: Ice Cavern, Royal Tomb, Nocturne Cutscene, and Ocarina of Time cutscene. The first two require ZL logically, so I was down to either finish Spirit and Jabu for the missing stones for Ocarina, or finish Water for Nocturne. I did Spirit up to the point where the only remaining chests were locked behind ZL and thought the seed was unwinnable. Turns out if the boss key is in one of two chests in Water you can beat it without ZL. I definitely didn’t think that was possible. ZL was on Nocturne and now we’re off to the races. Just have to find the Hammer now. Definitely the meanest placement I’ve encountered since I started doing these a couple months ago.
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take three tablets posted:Definitely the meanest placement I’ve encountered since I started doing these a couple months ago.
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Looking back on the thread, definitely the meanest placement I remember is one Hookshot being locked behind Biggoron (with the chain of deals item starting near the beginning of the chain of course) and the other behind 30 Skulls. With water temple as a required dungeon, of course. Boomerang was nowhere to be found. Also just did a Triforce Hunt Multiworld randomizer with all the -sanitys on. I suppose you should expect some garbage item placements when playing -santy, but this was kinda egregious. I never picked up an ocarina, and ocarina was required for me to get basically anything; I only had the Hammer as a progression item early on, I think. Where was ocarina you ask? In my partner's shop for 220 rupees. To get it, she needed to grab 2 wallets; one in forest temple map chest, the other in the skulltula behind the twin's house. So instead, once I got Ruto's Letter, I used the cuccoo to get behind Zora's waterfall, gave it to king zora, and just used the bottle for Ocarina items. If not for that I would've been waiting around for a long, long time. We weren't keeping track but I think I got about 10 triforce pieces to her 30.
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PMush Perfect posted:I once had a ridiculous seed where I logically had to dip Water twice. At that point I just loving gave up because I was still halfway through and so loving tilted because I'd check literally everywhere else. That’s absurd. The only seed I’ve quit before was when a hint told me Megaton Hammer was on 50 skulls. I know where all of the skulls are, I just don’t want to do that. Now I set everything above 20 to junk.
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I actually think high-skull seeds are really interesting, as long as you get the hint early. Every so often I get a seed where the 40 or 50 hint is only on gossip stones I don't check and spend the entire seed terrified that I'll find out it's a skull seed 3 hours in or more. Hasn't happened yet, though.
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take three tablets posted:That’s absurd. The only seed I’ve quit before was when a hint told me Megaton Hammer was on 50 skulls. I know where all of the skulls are, I just don’t want to do that. Now I set everything above 20 to junk.
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Is there any interest in running seeds in this thread again? I haven’t timed any of my runs yet, but I used to speed run the game casually so I would be interested in competition. I sort of missed the boat the first go around.
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