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Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Pingcode posted:

Huh wait a tic, Astroneer is marked under Base Builders?

Can anybody elaborate? I’d mentally filed it away under ‘Assorted Survival Crafts’ but if it’s got base building management elements I might have to reassess where it sits on my wishlist

It’s definitely a base builder especially with all the automation stuff they added. You have to be pretty dumb/careless/drunk to have issues surviving in Astroneer.

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Anime Store Adventure
May 6, 2009


SkyeAuroline posted:

Good to know. Does that do much about the "blocked by infrastructure" side, though?

Also the map decided coal would only be in the mountains with tons of jagged and bumpy poo poo all over the place so that certainly wasn't helping things. Soviet plains city pls.

It does, kind of. If the whole footprint of a building isn’t silky smooth, the game conveniently adds an extra padding of smaller little dots on the wireframe that remind you how absolutely hosed you are for not leveling it first.

These extra dots seem to exist purely to frustrate you.

Sometimes you can kind of cheat these even if you can’t level something by placing the building first and then replacing the “blocking” infrastructure in exactly the same spot once it’s down.
If two things are fighting each other but look like they should fit, try placingthem in the opposite order. And seeing the second thing to be placed is now happy. (Often the smaller thing/infrastructure is the offender- roads, power lines)

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Okay, I really need to settle a Soviet desert or something.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Mayveena posted:

OK so this where I'm at now. * means a recognized popular 'good' game


Not gonna get to it today, or at least not til tonight. But absolutely tomorrow. Still need 'best' Tropico to include.

Tropico 2, obviously. Everyone loves the lovely pirate game.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
Rather than calling games good or not, how about just accessibility? 1 is appropriate for newcomers to management games, 2 for people who are familiar with the genre, 3 for the true "play this for the rest of your life and still never get good" games.

That's probably less contentious because it's probably more objective than "good" and I think more useful for people looking for games.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Deadmeat5150 posted:

Edit: Also I can't do straight lines to any extent whatsoever and anyone who can do so consistently is my hero.

Settings -> Control Settings -> Rotate Building Sensitivity

It doesn't save this setting between sessions so you gotta adjust this every time but combine it with the "Show Wireframe" checkbox while in build mode and it will rock your world

Facebook Aunt posted:

Tropico 2, obviously. Everyone loves the lovely pirate game.

I unironically liked Tropico 2 because my secret dream is a war game where you only do the logistics and leave the fighting to somebody else

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Pornographic Memory posted:

I unironically liked Tropico 2 because my secret dream is a war game where you only do the logistics and leave the fighting to somebody else

When it came up earlier in the thread I checked and saw I had like 80 hours in it. So I booted it up again and now I have 132 hours in it. The whole time I'm mildly skeeved out, but there is something compelling there.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Pornographic Memory posted:

I unironically liked Tropico 2 because my secret dream is a war game where you only do the logistics and leave the fighting to somebody else

I've been toying with the idea of an RTS where you only do the research and don't actually manage any units but I'm having a hard time differentiating that from a tower defense game. Also, I never finish anything I start.

Anime Store Adventure
May 6, 2009



Is your Forklift Certified version of your avatar new? It rules.

Timespy
Jul 6, 2013

No bond but to do just ones

The Majesty series were kinda like this. I really enjoyed them, shame that there hasn't been a more modern version of that idea.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
workers and resources but your end goal is to make t34s

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

Mayveena posted:

It’s definitely a base builder especially with all the automation stuff they added. You have to be pretty dumb/careless/drunk to have issues surviving in Astroneer.

Yeah it’s worth mentioning it doesn’t have a hunger meter or anything like that. You do need oxygen, but you start with an unlimited source of it and can make more, so that mostly exists to add some logistics challenge as you extend your oxygen network.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

KillHour posted:

I've been toying with the idea of an RTS where you only do the research and don't actually manage any units but I'm having a hard time differentiating that from a tower defense game. Also, I never finish anything I start.

Foxhole might something for you to look at. It is an plays out like an RTS, but no one person is controlling each faction because each unit is played by a human being player. So a person can just put research bits into the research building and pick the wrong non-meta thing, and the rest of the faction just has to deal with it.

It is a World War 1.5 simulator between the not-colonist and the not-nazis. Every single gun must be made by a human player, every peice of scrap accessible is because a human being went out and performed digital labor for a bit. These nerd touched war weapons now have to be delivered by player to The Front where many human players grind bodies and bullets against each other in a Saving Private Ryan manner. These 3 principals intersect in a wild way. There is a thread, no big goon presence. It's like playing a rimworld pawn.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


That sounds horrible except for the unintentional comedy of cascading fuckups that nobody can actually appreciate because they're all too close to see the big picture.

Is it at least SS13 levels of hilarity when everything goes to poo poo?

KillHour fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jan 4, 2021

Anime Store Adventure
May 6, 2009


Pornographic Memory posted:

workers and resources but your end goal is to make t34s

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1895842380

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Pornographic Memory posted:

workers and resources but your end goal is to make t34s

Military production is one of the committed goals according to the Trello :unsmigghh::hf::ussr:

One thing to mention to people having trouble with placing things in W&R: If you attempt to place a building NEAR where it should go, except that the ground is perhaps slightly uneven, attempting to place it will "nudge" the surrounding area a little bit towards what you need. Sometimes, just attempting to place the building a few times will result in success, due to "nudging" the terrain into where it needs to be. This is especially helpful when the terrain is "owned" by other buildings and you cannot otherwise adjust it.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Anime Store Adventure posted:

Is your Forklift Certified version of your avatar new? It rules.

No. My avatar was made for me by a dear friend but honestly I don't have $5 to keep paying when people change it so this one will stay at least for awhile until someone else changes it. I'm glad you like the new one :)

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR
Turns out that only Tropico 3,4, 5, and 6 are currently for sale. So which one again? :)

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

KillHour posted:

I've been toying with the idea of an RTS where you only do the research and don't actually manage any units but I'm having a hard time differentiating that from a tower defense game. Also, I never finish anything I start.

same, lol

i think something like a supreme commander mod would be good enough. there's a fixed route units take until they meet and destroy eachother and the better logistics guy wins

it's basically how i play RTS games already anyway lol

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Autochess, but with forklifts and trains.

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


I gotta say. W&R is starting to click for me. I nearly bounced off but once i started understanding all the mechanics and envisioning the scope i could take them, i cant stop thinking about the game now.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
Anyone play Production Line : Car factory simulation? Any good?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/591370/Production_Line__Car_factory_simulation/

Also, worth wishlisting is a game I've been testing out on steam called Timberborn.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1062090/Timberborn/

It's a beaver colony builder. The main challenge is that there is a drought every year, so you need to farm enough food/build up enough water supply to survive the dry season. worth checking out.

Harminoff fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jan 4, 2021

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Mayveena posted:

Turns out that only Tropico 3,4, 5, and 6 are currently for sale. So which one again? :)

Tropico 6 has enough DLC to outbloat Tropico 5 now. We should all move on to the new one.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Harminoff posted:

Anyone play Production Line : Car factory simulation? Any good?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/591370/Production_Line__Car_factory_simulation/

It's good, but it can get awfully brutal.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Volmarias posted:

Military production is one of the committed goals according to the Trello :unsmigghh::hf::ussr:

One thing to mention to people having trouble with placing things in W&R: If you attempt to place a building NEAR where it should go, except that the ground is perhaps slightly uneven, attempting to place it will "nudge" the surrounding area a little bit towards what you need. Sometimes, just attempting to place the building a few times will result in success, due to "nudging" the terrain into where it needs to be. This is especially helpful when the terrain is "owned" by other buildings and you cannot otherwise adjust it.

Thanks for the advice. I'll have to give that a try next time I play. Set up to stream through the tutorials for some friends but the constant placement issues cut the actual game short.

Fhqwhgads
Jul 18, 2003

I AM THE ONLY ONE IN THIS GAME WHO GETS LAID

Harminoff posted:

Anyone play Production Line : Car factory simulation? Any good?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/591370/Production_Line__Car_factory_simulation/


I really loved it but I wish there was more to it or there were more LPers playing it so I can better understand some of the inner workings.

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

Hihohe posted:

i cant stop thinking about the game now.

:same: even though the terrain stuff drives me bonkers

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
I liked Production Line but it leans towards the Big Pharma space-management types of games, so it depends if you like that stuff or not. You get more space to play around with and a bit more on the business management end though compared to Big Pharma.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

I liked Production Line but it leans towards the Big Pharma space-management types of games, so it depends if you like that stuff or not. You get more space to play around with and a bit more on the business management end though compared to Big Pharma.
I almost lean the exact opposite. Big Pharma conveyor belt part of the game is almost inconsequential. It's kind of like an RTS unit limit but for your unit operations. The game is played in the selection of raws and unit operations to get a profitable result and you put it on the factory floor as an after thought. The business management is a ton of the game.

Production line is much more spatial and logistic. You're going to time delivery of materials to unit operations to understand if you need more or more coming from a different direction. You're going to curse how the units fit together and scream spending money on a redesign. The business management isn't really interesting to me though compared to Big Pharma. The tech tree kind of sucks: there's a couple ways to go given the broad tree but there's pretty specific build orders to avoid gotchas where Big Pharmas teching can be very dynamic based on your raw material random attributes.

Little Big Workshop is my favorite discrete manufacturing game because of the ability to do more dynamic cell design but I still have my reasons to go back to Big Pharma or Production Line.

Krataar
Sep 13, 2011

Drums in the deep

Pornographic Memory posted:

I unironically liked Tropico 2 because my secret dream is a war game where you only do the logistics and leave the fighting to somebody else

This exists. Foxhole

Production line is good. The start is slow and then you lose or youre rich. Similar to WRSR you focus on reducing your biggest cost and building cars in serial. It helped me realize how much rear end electric car batteries are to make.

Krataar fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jan 4, 2021

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

SkyeAuroline posted:

Thanks for the advice. I'll have to give that a try next time I play. Set up to stream through the tutorials for some friends but the constant placement issues cut the actual game short.

Spacing things out more also helps a bit, instead of trying to pack everything into minimal area.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



I don't see Aurora4x on this list with a larger star than all the other games, I think its a bad list

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Mayveena, is there a thread I can post in to support your claim? You are a quality goon and should not be harassed.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Skyl3lazer posted:

I don't see Aurora4x on this list with a larger star than all the other games, I think its a bad list

why even have other games tbh just have the Op say "Vanilla Aurora 4x"

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Skyl3lazer posted:

I don't see Aurora4x on this list with a larger star than all the other games, I think its a bad list

Aurora should be in the 4x thread.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Mayveena, is there a thread I can post in to support your claim? You are a quality goon and should not be harassed.

No, the only thing I can have done is for the mods to blank the avatar, but I'd still have to pay for a new one so :shrug:. Thanks for the support ❤

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Skyl3lazer posted:

I don't see Aurora4x on this list with a larger star than all the other games, I think its a bad list

The game dev has repeatedly asked the internet to stop messing with his personal model train set.

Aurora4x is fuckin wild and I love the concept even when screenshots melt my face Ark of The Convenent style.

Anime Store Adventure
May 6, 2009


Mayveena posted:

No. My avatar was made for me by a dear friend but honestly I don't have $5 to keep paying when people change it so this one will stay at least for awhile until someone else changes it. I'm glad you like the new one :)

That’s real lame of whoever but at least the forklift one has glittery text and feels appropriate for the management games thread. We are all forklift certified in our own, abstracted way here.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Anime Store Adventure posted:

We are all forklift certified in our own, abstracted way here.

new thread title plz

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Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



In Big Pharma, having done the tutorials and played this type of the game in a lot the past, is the Advanced start fine or is that going to be overwhelming?

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