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Wondering why chainsaw and his heart was so sought after and considered so powerful is something you know from the infinity fight early on. I assume most people like myself wondered why. Then you wonder if maybe his strength comes from devils fearing him not humans because are chainsaws really that scary? Angel basically confirms that at the end of the bomb arc, when he says many devils last memory before death in Hell was of a chainsaw. He also confirms how devils are immortal through rebirth when they die. Then future warns us that there is the devil devils fear the most and he’ll appear soon . So the reveal that chainsaw can permanently kill other devils feels pretty solid to me! And pays off all those questions form early in the manga till then. C- must do better
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Also Makima doesn't have her own contracts with devils im pretty sure, instead she forcibly uses the contracts of her subordinates. It was Kurose or Tendo's she was using (punishment) to squish those people. And they died when she faced off with Gun.
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chiasaur11 posted:Alright then. In order... Agree to disagree on…all points except the later half of your first point. I didn’t connect with any of the characters so that probably didn’t help. I know it sucks having someone barge into a thread and poo poo out on a good time so I’ll bow out. I am still looking forward to the anime because the fight scenes were awesome.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Agree to disagree on…all points except the later half of your first point. I didn’t connect with any of the characters so that probably didn’t help. it's ok to not like things. My friend shared a similar opinion to yours about CSM, especially the connecting to characters part. My immediate reaction was to call him a dumb speedreader but it seems to be a common opinion, some people just bounce right off Denji. Without that connection, the manga does seem pretty shallow even with the awesome cinematic panelling/action.
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Dec 14, 2021 18:09
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I really dug the insanity (Defeating the dark empowered doll person by lighting himself on fire.). I dug how Denji grew from "I want to touch boobies!" to "I want to be an average and I'm now aware of how my action affect my surroundings" with all the stops in between. I dug how he, dumb as a stack of bricks and clumsy as he could, he was still inherently a good person. Like the moment where he tries to cheer up Aki by having a nut kicking competition using the katana devil. What I didn't like was the asspull of "chainsaw utterly destroys what it eats." You can say it's foreshadowed, but that doesn't make it any less connected to what a chainsaw is and does. Bomb lady was flying around using explosions, throwing explosive boogers and spit. But it's not like she was suddenly able to command people to kill themselves by ripping their heads off or if she sat on something that it would completely disappear. Flamethrower dude was flying around with flames and shooting fire. Arrow lady was crapping out arrows and using arrowheads as daggers. Katana devil could slash hard and do the anime iai teleport slash. It all "makes sense". Except Chainsaw. It was a wild ride. 
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TriffTshngo posted:introducing a new element or detail to a story is not an "asspull" this is the way shounen readers interpret everything lol
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there had to be some reason why demons were afraid of another demon when they are all quasi-immortal. demons simply had no reason to fear death by violence, whether by chainsaw or otherwise. so instead, the chainsaw demon had an aberrant ability completely unrelated to chainsaws. it did kind of come out of nowhere, but it was consistent with the rest of the story and setting.
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Dec 14, 2021 19:59
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While I love the concept of erasing concepts via CSM eating them, yeah it doesn't make a whole ton of sense. Like, if the Dementia Devil was the one who erased concepts, cool I get it. Or even the Gluttony Devil or something, more focused on the "eating" aspect. But neither erasing nor eating have anything to do with chainsaws. But the concept is cool enough that tbh I'm willing to shrug it off. That being said, cuntman.net posted:sometimes i wonder if makima was bullshitting about chainsaw man being able to erase concepts. i know the fact the world is so different implies that she isnt but still, is a wild take I hadn't considered before, and now I'm wondering if it is in fact the case. I wonder if Chainsaw Man is just a murder devil that really likes murdering devils, and it's some OTHER devil that actually is the one erasing concepts, since we never actually see a concept / devil get erased.
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Erasing poo poo from reality is absolutely a thing chainsaws can do, you just don’t realize it because the concept is erased so you forget.
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I don't really look at the chainsaw devil's ability as an asspull, because while not specifically foreshadowed as the chainsaw devils ability, it was a driving question of the chainsaw devils power and the reason other devils feared it. So you have this background plot thread of "whats up with the chainsaw devil" and then you get an answer. The answer doesnt need to be 100% foreshadowed. It is not like you got, within 1 chapter, "all the devils are scared of chainsaw and the reason is X". Honestly a lot of the plotting of chainsaw man is great, because it builds on itself very well. Like the existence of Denji as chainsaw man and you think oh is he just a unique shonen protagonist? But then you get an answer that no, there are actually other hybrids as well and its a big fun shock (especially Bomb's reveal which was like ohhhhh shi)
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Why is every devil afraid of the guy called The Erasing Concepts Devil, ah I’ll read on and hope this mystery is explained
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Can't believe anyone could dislike Power tbh She'd sacrifice a human to save her cat and that makes her the best
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Jerkface posted:I don't really look at the chainsaw devil's ability as an asspull, because while not specifically foreshadowed as the chainsaw devils ability, it was a driving question of the chainsaw devils power and the reason other devils feared it. So you have this background plot thread of "whats up with the chainsaw devil" and then you get an answer. The answer doesnt need to be 100% foreshadowed. It is not like you got, within 1 chapter, "all the devils are scared of chainsaw and the reason is X".
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So odds on which remaining horseman will be the main villian of part 2? My money's on War but it could just be all three
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I was always confused by the four horsemen comment because she wasn't referring to the humanoid weapons. Also did he fight gun. I like how ambiguous and fuzzy a lot of stuff is. Like were Sawatari and co. hired by Makima. I guess that's the implication maybe when you know everything. Though if she explicitly says it was her I'm jus stupid lol
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:there had to be some reason why demons were afraid of another demon when they are all quasi-immortal. demons simply had no reason to fear death by violence, whether by chainsaw or otherwise. so instead, the chainsaw demon had an aberrant ability completely unrelated to chainsaws. it did kind of come out of nowhere, but it was consistent with the rest of the story and setting. My personal, and needlessly stupid, theory on something that didn't really need expanding is that it started as a bluff since otherwise what kept other bigger, stronger, devils from just loving up the new chainsaw guy; who's afraid of chainsaws besides trees and the occasional lumber jack? But then much like batman all it took were a few small time clowns to be utterly terrified of the thought and suddenly whoops, now everyone's afraid of this weirdo in the clown suit which only makes his job easier; so once devils believed he actually could wipe them from existence, the chainsaw devil could. But really, chainsaws are just cool and the series would be less cool if it was about like. Explodeman and his explode devil exploding everyone out of existence.
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chainsawman has the properties of both chains and saws
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I feel like 'why is the Chainsaw Devil so loving scary' is one of those dangling plot hooks for Part 2, alongside Denji's quest to find the new Blood Devil. It's certainly something we're likely to get more information on when Denji books a particularly durable babysitter and goes on a trip to hell.
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CodfishCartographer posted:is a wild take I hadn't considered before, and now I'm wondering if it is in fact the case. I wonder if Chainsaw Man is just a murder devil that really likes murdering devils, and it's some OTHER devil that actually is the one erasing concepts, since we never actually see a concept / devil get erased. The final conflict is him eating someone because it's the only way to get through their super immortality. They are not signaling "What if something else is eating concepts, like in a strange twist with no foreshadowing?". Also the actual blade parts of saws, including chainsaws, are called teeth. In essence all a chainsaw does is destroy things by 'eating' them. That's it, that's the reference. Much like how Pochita looks like a Japanese brand of chainsaws in dog form, it's all just chainsaw references. He has the ascended form of chainsaw powers, that's all.
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Darth Walrus posted:I feel like 'why is the Chainsaw Devil so loving scary' is one of those dangling plot hooks for Part 2, alongside Denji's quest to find the new Blood Devil. It's certainly something we're likely to get more information on when Denji books a particularly durable babysitter and goes on a trip to hell. If he goes to hell I hope we get more of the primal devils, I want more Darkness Devil-level stuff.
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Mulva posted:The final conflict is him eating someone because it's the only way to get through their super immortality. They are not signaling "What if something else is eating concepts, like in a strange twist with no foreshadowing?". He didn't actually erase Makima though, since he ate her as Denji and not Chainsawman.
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RatHat posted:He didn't actually erase Makima though, since he ate her as Denji and not Chainsawman. Yes, but they are still making the tie. It's the apotheosis of Denji from "Child forced into hunting devils" to the finale, when he's truly inherited the title of Hero of Hell, Chainsaw Man. In the end, when he's battered and broken, he still defeats one of the Four Horseman because he's just that good. And he does it by eating her, not as an act of destruction but as an act of love. Twisted, hosed up love, but there we are. And the result is....that she's reborn, as an innocent child, with the chance to get what she always wanted. And in growing like that, he also gave Pochita what *he* always wanted. e: Really it's a tight little story, and the only real lingering threads are "Single Dad Denji yes please" and "Go get Power, stupid.". Mulva fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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I always assumed the other devils were scared of chainsawman because the author liked evil dead.
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i flunked out posted:I always assumed the other devils were scared of chainsawman because the author liked evil dead. He's been asked about that in interviews. He's a fan of Evil Dead, but a bigger inspiration was Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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More like Chainsaw Mansacre
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I looked up the Chainsaw Wikipedia entry because I was curious to how long could the Chainsaw devil could have existed. I'm surprised to say it goes back to the late 18th century with its origins as a horrifying to think about bone cutting surgical implement called an osteotome. The first wood cutting chainsaws go back to the early 20th century. In regards to the film discussion it is my personal theory that chainsaw centric slasher films played a role in empowering the chainsaw devil. The author does like invoking cinema. Lamebot fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Folks, the newest physical release of chainsaw man got to my favorite part (hell). Chainsaw man ftw
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Sleng Teng posted:Chainsaw man ftw
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Part 2 coming this summer, get hyped
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Anime confirmed for 2022 as well (was it already? idr) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxsQZNTFfxc Hype rising 
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2022 gonna be a great year for chainsaws 🙏
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Sneak preview!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1YQS6fUdE
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My friend is reading CSM for the ifrst time so I've been following her progress but went ahead and reread Chainsaw vs the human weapons again also. Despite Pochita mentioning only ever wanting a hug I only put together what was happening this time. I'd forgotten Makima saying anyone who asks for and gets Chainsaw's help dies then you see CSM leap on and shred her. It's so obvious but it was only then that it clicked for me it's because he's trying to hug people after he saves them lol. Also when I first read the manga I guess the reason Tolka returned everyone from hell was regret/fear after being betrayed by his master or something. Now rereading that section for the first time it's so clear that Makima is using her ability to activate other peoples contracts to do it. Neat!
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My one regret about this whirlwind of epicness of a manga is that I forgot so, so many names of the characters that appear for like 5-10 chapters and die.
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https://twitter.com/findomearle/status/1476299004573016071?s=20
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Show me Chainsaw Man's ancestor, Macuahuitl Man.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJUbLM8coho
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Baron La Croix posted:Show me Chainsaw Man's ancestor, Macuahuitl Man.
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So, the Chainsaw Man light novel is getting fan translated, and I now understand the Japanese reviews a bit better. One thing that kept being brought up was a thing you see all the time in fanfic. If a character has a catchphrase or an iconic line, the original might have them say it a couple times, enough to show that a trait exists, then it would move on. Fanfics, meanwhile, have a tendency to bring up those traits over and over, because they aren't as confidant in getting the voice right and need to remind the reader that this is the thing they like. In the first part of the novel, Power not flushing, Power hating vegetables, and Power lying about a pre-existing appointment when Makima asks her to do something all came up in the first few pages.
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