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I think the most charitable interpretation is that they're just going off the imdb blurb on the movie but, uhh.
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Steve Yun posted:Maybe I’m dense but the song seems to be about a bad education system and i don’t quite see the connection to the aspects of class warfare Parasite touches on It's a reach and it's pretty unlikely this is the case, but for the hell of it... So the song is from Pink Floyd's 1977 album The Wall, which tells the tale of a musician, Pink, and his increasing isolation from his family, fans, and the world at large, represented by a the metaphorical (And in the concerts, literal) construction of a brick wall between Pink and the world. Another Brick in the Wall, Part II is probably one of the most famous songs from the album, and deals with Pink's experience in abusive British school system. However, it's only one of a trio of similarly named songs, which deal with Pink's relationship with his dead father (Part I), and the discovery of his wife's infidelity (Part III) as key moments in the construction of the titular Wall. By the second half of the album, Pink is completely isolated behind the wall (helped along by copious drug use, which lead him to imagine his concerts as Nazi-like rallies), and the wall is only broken when figments of Pink's own imagination put him on trial and "Sentence [him] to [his] greatest fear: To be exposed before [his] peers" TEAR DOWN THE WALL! TEAR DOWN THE WALL (it's a good album imo. It's also got a surreal as all hell film with some truly insane animation) So with that context out of the way: If Mr. Park's firm is truly meant to be a reference to the song Another Brick in the Wall, it can symbolize a few different things: -First, it's another instance of the Parks idolizing english language and phrasing without regard for the actual context. -Second, as The Wall is all about the isolation, it can symbolize how Mr. Park's company is "another brick" in the wall isolating him/his family/his economic class from the Kims/the working class. -As it's a software company, it could be a commentary on how social media and computers are serving to increasingly isolate individuals from each other (very unlikely but I thought I'd throw it out there) Personally, I have doubts that the company's name is really supposed to mean something deeper, or have any specific connection to a rock opera from the seventies. But hey, who knows?
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Feb 24, 2020 05:06
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I agree that it’s not clear, so let me suggest another reading based on one of your suggestions! Since you suggest the sheltering oneself theme, it occurs to me that the company is a VR company, which is really all about closing your eyes to the outside world and reality and living in a “virtual” idealized world. It fits with the Parks being sheltered from economic hardship and suffering. Even though the house has huge glass windows they can’t see farther than their own manicured yard.
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Feb 24, 2020 05:46
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Double post 
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Feb 24, 2020 06:39
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The isolation analysis is neat but, independently of the plot of the album, it's also often interpretated as one of the greatest "gently caress conformity, man" songs ever written, so the "worthless, replaceable part in an alienating system" interpretation seems the most obvious and most immediately relevant to the themes of the movie. From Mr. Park's perspective he probably just likes the "building toward the future, bit by bit" imagery, capitalists love the image of themselves as fundamentally builders, creators of concrete things rather than extractors of value. Consider the architecture boner of Atlas Shrugged or the uproar over Obama's "you didn't built that".
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Feb 24, 2020 09:54
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You’re probably right about the meaning of Another Brick but I think the “rich people sheltering themselves” is probably still a thing because of the company being VR developers
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Feb 24, 2020 12:03
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Those saying the Kims weren't the bad guys - you are all wrong. One of them forcibly shoved one of the dogs during the drinking scene. Unforgivable.
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Feb 29, 2020 02:15
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they didn't even show her k:d ratio at the pc bang
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Feb 29, 2020 02:53
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Everyone is the bad guy in capitalism
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Going to see Parasite this afternoon. Our theater has it in standard and in IMAX. I know there's no "visual effects" like a Nolan movie that make it a must-see-IMAX-style film, but the blurb mentioned it was remastered. I googled but couldn't find any public reviews of the IMAX version. Anyone here know if it's worth it? Thanks =)
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Feb 29, 2020 17:29
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If you have amc nearby yes because you should have A list
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Feb 29, 2020 18:56
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Alan Smithee posted:If you have amc nearby yes because you should have A list Seriously the only downside of A-List is that I can’t use it at Alamo and Regal. AMC assuredly sucks but it’s just a great deal.
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Feb 29, 2020 19:42
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Ogmius815 posted:Seriously the only downside of A-List is that I can’t use it at Alamo and Regal. AMC assuredly sucks but it’s just a great deal. I miss MoviePass
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I don’t Ogmius815 posted:Seriously the only downside of A-List is that I can’t use it at Alamo and Regal. AMC assuredly sucks but it’s just a great deal. Alamo has its own thing but the demand is hot
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Feb 29, 2020 20:04
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Ogmius815 posted:Seriously the only downside of A-List is that I can’t use it at Alamo and Regal. AMC assuredly sucks but it’s just a great deal. Agreed. Got a theater near my house and one near work and I get tons of value out of it.
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Feb 29, 2020 20:13
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ymgve posted:Those saying the Kims weren't the bad guys - you are all wrong. One of them forcibly shoved one of the dogs during the drinking scene. Unforgivable. Counterpoint: The daughter expresses an amused bewilderment when she recognizes that she's eating dog-food, and then eats another piece.
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Feb 29, 2020 22:17
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The dog definitely eats better than everyone in their down hill neighborhood
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Montreal Saw it on IMAX at the old hockey arena Excellent movie
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IMAX is very valid if even for just one scene where you want maximum size/resolution 
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Mar 1, 2020 06:51
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I took the "Another Brick" as referring to the ultimately worthless technology that Mr. Park's company creates, just another brick of some sort that does something fun and distracting but gives Mr. Park the great wealth that drives the whole plot. I think I got most of what the movie was going for, but I didn't understand at the end why Mr. Kim killed Mr. Park. Was it rage and resentment brought on by seeing his daughter dying and flared up by Mr. Park covering his nose at that moment? Besides that I loved the twists and turns and the way it was shot and the way it all came together so I'm glad it won best picture.
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Dracula Factory posted:I took the "Another Brick" as referring to the ultimately worthless technology that Mr. Park's company creates, just another brick of some sort that does something fun and distracting but gives Mr. Park the great wealth that drives the whole plot. His daughter was dying, he was desperately trying to stem the bleeding, and the rich gently caress was ordering him to drive them to the clinic.
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Dracula Factory posted:I think I got most of what the movie was going for, but I didn't understand at the end why Mr. Kim killed Mr. Park. Was it rage and resentment brought on by seeing his daughter dying and flared up by Mr. Park covering his nose at that moment? He endures Mr Park announcing in front of both of his children that he smells bad and has the stench of poverty and he’s unable to defend himself His home is destroyed with poo poo water and he sleeps in a gym and then is called into work the next morning and has to pretend everything is ok Driving Mrs Park around while he’s tired, Mrs Park makes it obvious that she thinks he smells bad too He is uncomfortable with the Indian skit and Mr Park subtly threatens his employment. Even though Mr Park is paying him overtime, Mr Kim feels like he’s been put down. It’s not about the money so much as the abuse he’s forced to endure When his daughter is mortally wounded Mr Park leaves her behind and literally steps over her body to take his fainted son to the hospital And finally he pinches his nose at Geunse. Mr Kim getting angry is a little ambiguous here because you can interpret it as 1) Mr Kim getting enraged that he’s looked down on and put in the same category as Geunse, or 2) having a moment of class solidarity and enraged that Mr Park looks down on Geunse
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KVeezy3 posted:Counterpoint: The daughter expresses an amused bewilderment when she recognizes that she's eating dog-food, and then eats another piece. She downs that tequila like a champ too
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Steve Yun posted:It’s the buildup of all the emotional abuse he takes over the whole movie This makes sense, I noticed how red in the face he was when talking to him but didn't think much of it at the time.
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Mar 2, 2020 05:10
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It’s also neat on rewatch to notice all the times Mr Kim closes his eyes because he’s overwhelmed with shame
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Mar 2, 2020 05:12
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Song Kang-ho (Mr. Kim) is a loving fine actor and I only realized recently that I saw him in a film long ago called The Good, The Bad, and the Weird which was my first exposure to Korean cinema. That was a really fun movie and he was excellent in that one.
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i only just realized he's the rural detective in memories of murder, the father in the host, and the drug-addicted door specialist in snowpiercer. the man has incredible range and really disappears into his roles. I had seen and appreciated him in all of those films yet didn't recognize him at all while watching parasite.
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Mar 2, 2020 10:09
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Yeah so in that moment where the son yells cut and tells the dad that his acting is too excited and he needs to bring it down, it’s an in-joke for Korean audiences who are familiar with the two actors. It’s as if Tom Holland was giving acting tips to Gary Oldman
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https://twitter.com/neonrated/status/1234215986204561408?s=21
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Steve Yun posted:Yeah so in that moment where the son yells cut and tells the dad that his acting is too excited and he needs to bring it down, it’s an in-joke for Korean audiences who are familiar with the two actors. It’s as if Tom Holland was giving acting tips to Gary Oldman yeah, i've loved song kang-ho for a long time and that line got a big laugh out of me. if anyone hasnt seen memories of murder yet, it's essential bong joon-ho and song kang-ho. kang-ho plays the worst piece of poo poo cop of all time but has the natural charisma to draw you to the character regardless. ALso i enjoyed the b&w version a lot. i was more tuned into the interpersonal aspect of the movie on this viewing and was moved to tears a few times even when i wasnt in my first viewing. kang-ho really expresses so much with just his face, every injustice and tragedy is made completely relatable without heavy-handed exposition thanks to the skill of hte cast in general, but he really was stellar once again. I got the tude now fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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on the subject of A list, if I want to support a movie like Parasite and have unused movie slots for the week can I just reserve a seat and not even show up or do I need to check in for it to get the money
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I'm guessing check in so maybe find a friend To be honest I don't think the movie needs your help, the more important thing is that you surround yourself with friends that saw Parasite, which is why I held a bluray viewing party
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are you calling me this 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s all terribly facile, and lame. Like you’ve just encountered a satire for the first time: “whoa the movie doesn’t present anyone as having the right ideology. How... mature.” Oy I just watched this movie! I reckon you're being a little bit harsh on OP here. The actual question of the film is indeed how a person might enslave another (or be enslaved) without realizing it. The answer is that, rather than the (not so) gradual replacement of the traditional bourgeoisie by an increasingly slender workforce of thinkers and an increasingly bloated reserve army of carers, the greatest innovation of capitalism is to extinguish the distinction of bourgeoisie and worker altogether. With the effacement of this distinction the idea of the 'unemployed', rather than expanding to envelop even Marx's 'lumpenproletariat', becomes meaningless. In its stead is a reserve army of hustlers, scammers, jobbers, 'contractors' and, (ugh) entrepeneurs, all of whom are enjoined to expand their own tiny enterprise, the CEO's of themselves, by whatever means they can. This might mean taking on three precarious jobs in order to invest the proceeds in their own human capital, it might mean trading poisoned junk bonds, it might mean starting a cute little bakery or, it might mean forging documents and attaching yourself to the bloated household of an insufferable millionaire tech-bro. The point being that, in the hyper-Hayekian capitalism of unalloyed competition, there really is no ethical distinction between the Kims and the Parks, only the fact of their money. The tragedy of the movie is that, with the erasure of the very category of the working class, there is no 'beyond' capitalism, no route by which it might be overcome, and no means by which to conceptualise overcoming it. How can there be a class-consciousness when there is no longer any class distinction? Thus the younger Kim, bequeathed an exiled father, a murdered sister and a lingering brain injury, and having witnessed (or rather, become collateral damage of) the rage of Mr. Gook (more capitalist periphery of Bangladesh or Vietnam than pariahed North Korea) still maintains no recourse but to magically and impossibly 'get rich' to extricate his father from the bunker.
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film good
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ungulateman posted:film good
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ungulateman posted:film very good
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ungulateman posted:film metaphorical
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Simiain posted:… I’m not sure I understand. Even if it is , as SMG framed, " The figure of the ‘part of no part’," isn’t the expansion of the realm of the underemployed still considered part of the ‘worker’? KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Watched it last night! I’m so glad I went in with no idea of anything aside from vague idea of grifter family and a bunker being involved somehow. I well say that I thought Mr. Park’s issue w the smell during the massacre is that Geun-sae evacuates after he dies. I swear I heard a fart noise after he gets skewered. But yeah, great movie!
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