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I was feeling a bit down on this until I started realizing that this is a Shonen tournament arc and now I'm way back in.
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i'm indifferent to pretty much the entire narrative but i'm down for some rad sword fights.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:42
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Gologle posted:Remember when the Hulk was stranded in Otherworld and had some adventures that eventually ended with Jarella, the best Hulk girl? It won't happen, but I'd like to see some Hulk action in Otherworld again. And Jarella, but Marvel has forgotten she existed. Microverse and she is dead
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Sep 24, 2020 00:23
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Yeah but doesn't mean she can't be brought back. Then again, some characters are better off dead. RIP Jarella, at least one fan thought you were rad as hell.
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I thought it was fine. The twist with the Summerseses at the end made me  But yes there's a lot of purple prose and overcomplicated fappery to explain what's frankly a pretty straightforward situation. Poccy's got evil kids on Arakko who want revenge. Unfortunately for everyone, Krakoa wants to reunite with Arakko so they have to deal with those kids coming through. The only way through is through Otherworld. And Emma Frost is forcing everyone to duel in an arena to see who gets their way. And there we go!
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The X-Men should just laugh when they say it'll come down to sword fights and kick back to watch Gorgon tear through everyone. Magik can come along for laughs.
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This is a weird thing to be pointing out a year and a half after this all started, but I'm still not quite sure what to make of the infographic pages. It feels like there's interesting stuff in there, but also I feel like my eyes just kinda glaze over when I read them.
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Sep 24, 2020 02:57
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Some of the huge walls of text are a little annoying, but a lot of them also manage to be pretty interesting. I think it gives the X-books a fun little quirk of their own and would be sad if they went away.
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Abroham Lincoln posted:I was feeling a bit down on this until I started realizing that this is a Shonen tournament arc and now I'm way back in. As soon as they mention reconvening in 3 days I was like "oh poo poo, we got ourselves a tournament arc! *air horn noises*
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BrianWilly posted:Some of the huge walls of text are a little annoying, but a lot of them also manage to be pretty interesting. I think it gives the X-books a fun little quirk of their own and would be sad if they went away. Yeah, I just have trouble actually retaining what I read sometimes.
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How Wonderful! posted:I also think that if both characters are going to be major players in the same plotline, Saturnyne and Emma Frost could stand to be a little more visually distinct. It isn't confusing yet but I could see it getting there. Saturnyne sounds American despite being from (well not actually, because she lives in a different plane of existence, but close enough) Britain, and Emma sounds British despite being 100% home grown American. Not enough gets made of the fact that Krakoa is probably the first time Emma Frost spent more than two weeks in a row not on East Coast of America.
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Abroham Lincoln posted:I was feeling a bit down on this until I started realizing that this is a Shonen tournament arc and now I'm way back in. Was that aspect mentioned in any interviews? as soon as I realized this might be a tournament arc I got a lot more excited (though I did enjoy this issue). Are Brand and Beast still a couple? I'm looking forward to seeing her call him out on his BS anyway.
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Skwirl posted:Saturnyne sounds American despite being from (well not actually, because she lives in a different plane of existence, but close enough) Britain, and Emma sounds British despite being 100% home grown American. What about when she lived off San Francisco
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I agree that the setup for this issue was communicated in an unnecessarily messy way but otherwise I thought it was great fun. Seeing Apocalypse cry was freakin weird, man.
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bobkatt013 posted:What about when she lived off San Francisco You know she went back at least every other weekend.
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She's ridiculously wealthy. She's certainly taken multi-week vacations in Europe.
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I get the feeling Creation would have worked better if we didn't have the build up/info dump of the x-men issue, and had opened a bit more in media res with Banshee being brought back critically injured and then flashbacks to the circumstances of him and Unus being sent off. Having said that, I enjoyed the two strands of the ending, and am quite happy to see where the story goes over  twenty two issues.
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Skwirl posted:You know she went back at least every other weekend. I think she lived in Genosha at the beginning of Morrison's run but it isn't really stated how long she's been there and again, she could have flown back to New York whenever I guess. Whatever happened to the Apocalypse Twins? Are they totally dead? Not mutants? Alive and feeling left out at the moment?
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How Wonderful! posted:I think she lived in Genosha at the beginning of Morrison's run but it isn't really stated how long she's been there and again, she could have flown back to New York whenever I guess. Man, I don't even know. Didn't the last part of that Uncanny Avengers story take place in an alternate timeline?
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Didn't Thor throw both of them into the Sun?
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How Wonderful! posted:Whatever happened to the Apocalypse Twins? Are they totally dead? Not mutants? Alive and feeling left out at the moment? Their personal timeline is: - Born on Earth-616 (they're technically Archangel's kids, not En Sabah Nur's though I missed the Maury where they covered how Death Seeds affect paternity tests) - Stolen as infants by Kang and deposited in a Days of Futures Past style alternate universe for their childhood - Brought into the 42nd Century to grow up - Returned to Earth-616 and the present day and created multiple divergent timelines/universes - All of those divergent timelines/universes got pruned when the Avengers from the future went back in time and killed the Apocalypse Twins in space but their corpses were retrieved by Daken and the Grim Reaper, both of whom showed up later no longer Horsemen though I don't think it's been explained for either of them So if they got resurrected, would it be as babies? As their adult selves that grew up in different dimensions/centuries? This applies to a lot of characters honestly, what's the resurrection protocol for Cable or Rachel Summers? For Dark Beast or X-Man? Have they considered resurrecting recently fallen comrades like Old Man Logan or Bloodstorm?
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Edge & Christian posted:Has anyone addressed how time travel works for mutant resurrection? note that vampirism can be cloned, as demonstrated by the other bloodstorm
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Edge & Christian posted:This applies to a lot of characters honestly, what's the resurrection protocol for Cable or Rachel Summers? For Dark Beast or X-Man? Have they considered resurrecting recently fallen comrades like Old Man Logan or Bloodstorm? I think for Cable it would depend on which one died. Essentially Krakoa was all history for old Cable so leaving young Cable dead would probably leave a whole bunch time paradoxes.
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Edge & Christian posted:Has anyone addressed how time travel works for mutant resurrection?
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Cable and Rachel both have fully integrated themselves into the Summers family and are calling Scott and Jean their parents, even if that isn't exactly the case. So I figure they'd both be brought back as is. Though Tempus could age Cable up if he wanted, but why would he?
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Codependent Poster posted:Cable and Rachel both have fully integrated themselves into the Summers family and are calling Scott and Jean their parents, even if that isn't exactly the case. So I figure they'd both be brought back as is. Though Tempus could age Cable up if he wanted, but why would he? Did any version of Trevor Fitzroy other than the Evil Soulless One spend time in the current timeline to be catalogued? Did any version of Shard besides that hologram?
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Apparently Wolverine artist Viktor Bogdanovic went on a Twitter rant about how nobody could understand X of Swords which is an event he is currently, you know, working on. He's gotten such flak for it he made his account protected.
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viktor bogdanovic seems like he's incredibly bad at using twitter
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Edge & Christian posted:Did any version of Trevor Fitzroy other than the Evil Soulless One spend time in the current timeline to be catalogued? Did any version of Shard besides that hologram? I doubt it, Fitzroy didn't know he could time travel until after his arrest for all the murders and whatnot.
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I wonder if Jamie Madrox could make a case for resurrecting a multiple who had attained a certain degree of autonomy.
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So let me get this straight Hickman's stories have been an alt-history Roman Empire, Near Future New York, Weird Alternate History Civil War, Alternate World History with FF/Shield/Secret Wars, and now he's introducing yet another entire world of alternate history as well as showing more of Otherworld's history guys I think Hickman might really like historical fiction storytelling
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Codependent Poster posted:Cable and Rachel both have fully integrated themselves into the Summers family and are calling Scott and Jean their parents, even if that isn't exactly the case. So I figure they'd both be brought back as is. Though Tempus could age Cable up if he wanted, but why would he? Edge & Christian posted:Did any version of Trevor Fitzroy other than the Evil Soulless One spend time in the current timeline to be catalogued? Did any version of Shard besides that hologram?
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Yeah, I just mean technically Maddie is Cable's mom and an alternate reality Scott and Jean are Rachel's parents. They've just cut all that out and gone directly to calling Scott and Jean their parents.
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KaosMachina posted:So let me get this straight Don't forget the at-history where Evil Albert Einstein and other famous scientists and a Russian spacedog create a secret government. But his best work is his real historical work about how money is literally controlled by an evil God and all of our economic crashes are just our sacrifices to them. (Selfishly, I want him to finish his X-Men so that Black Monday Murders can be finished).
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danbanana posted:(Selfishly, I want him to finish his X-Men so that Black Monday Murders can be finished). BMM's delay wasn't on Hickman, it was because the artist got very ill. I believe all the scripts have been done for forever now, and the artist, Tomm Coker, has supposedly just started working again.
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Codependent Poster posted:Yeah, I just mean technically Maddie is Cable's mom and an alternate reality Scott and Jean are Rachel's parents. They've just cut all that out and gone directly to calling Scott and Jean their parents. After Inferno, Jean got all of the memories of Madelyne and the Phoenix masquerading as Jean, so she is basically Cable's mother. Not sure how that squares away with Madelyne's appearances since then.
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Rochallor posted:After Inferno, Jean got all of the memories of Madelyne and the Phoenix masquerading as Jean, so she is basically Cable's mother. Not sure how that squares away with Madelyne's appearances since then.
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Well it kinda squares with how Madelyne is calling herself a nothing person, in a nowhere place. Even the parts of her that were supposed to be her, Madelyne, belong to Jean now or...even worse, was most likely actually Jean all along. But yet somehow Madelyne is still here, despite the fact that she may not actually have been a real person (it's very Kingdom Hearts). And this Madelyne that's been around since the 90s is, ironically, much more her own individual person than she was before, specifically because she is a "nothing person," who doesn't own any of her previous life. Which makes the Council decision to not resurrect her because she's somehow still Jean somehow (who she's not! at all!) extra super duper skeevy. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Sep 25, 2020 |
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Yeah. I thought the ending of that arc was actually really unsettling and sad. The first time I did a big read-through of 80s X-comics I was struck by how likeable and interesting Madelyne is, and how horrific her transformation in Inferno was. I felt like her sense of confusion and loss in Hellions was very understandable, and the responses of the two Summers brothers at the end extremely revealing.
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Does the fact that I'm about 90% sure if this is the same one that was running around earlier this was supposed to be the Madelyne Prior from Secret Wars Inferno. Which... given some of the people running around doesn't mean anything but another figure to quibble over.
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