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CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

beggar posted:

When I think about Cornette I always think about the scaffold spot and how it was impressive that he made it look so weak and staged yet still managed to shatter his tailbone

Less his tailbone and more his entire knee.

My theory with Jim is that he has untreated PTSD from years of antagonizing fans until they tried to kill him (specifically, his time in Mid South) and over time it has poisoned his brain. He also has no self-awareness and contradicts himself all the time because he thinks he's objective and rational; if guys like Colt Cabana and Orange Cassidy were 1970s Memphis journeymen, he'd sing their praises all the time. Speaking of Colt, it tickles me that Cornette has to work with him and call his matches after years of being a stupid baby about Colt's persona and ring style.

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CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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BhindiBhaji Boogie posted:

What are some other examples of Cornette embracing fantasy wrestling when it suits him and making GBS threads on it when it doesnt?

One that springs to mind is his insistence that promoters/companies shouldn't let their financial backers force them to violate their product's credibility. Except for him when Rick Rubin demanded to see a mummy in SMW, that was totally different and not at all comparable to Best Friends dressing like Rick and Morty for five minutes to placate TNT.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Jesus, sorry to hear that Cornette's bullshit might have bubbled over into ending a friendship. I've never liked Brian and he always comes off as a disingenuous snot to me, but still, losing friends sucks.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Gaz-L posted:

I know this is small potatoes to the larger issues being discussed, but he has to know OC has managed to work him, right? That that's part of the gimmick?

It's only a work when Jim is working, when it's someone he doesn't like it's totally real and killing the business.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Considering his character and all the hardcore/sadistic stuff he does in ring, it makes sense that Havoc looks like an aging sketchball.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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STAC Goat posted:

Yeah, its weird because PWG is an institution but Dragon, Bosh, Disco, and Lost are all long gone and its just Excalibur and Joey Ryan left. And Joey's become such a polarizing but ubiquitous part of US indie wrestling.

Also RIP Wrestling Society X.

Also where's B-Boy and Human Tornado?

Didn't Human Tornado show up at a GCW show pretty recently?

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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DangerDummy! posted:

Against Kikutaro, I think.

I really need to start watching GCW.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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DangerDummy! posted:

Right? That's one of those fun match ups you never really put together in your own head.

Unlike Jim Cornette, Kikutaro is the coolest and the best.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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FullMetalJackoff posted:

Still hoping for another appearance by Ebesstan Hansen.

Human Kikutornado would be fun too.

WatermelonGun posted:

gcw is the poo poo and i’m very excited for their shows this upcoming mania weekend. effy’s big gay brunch is gonna rule and we will be drinking mimosas

GCW's themed shows in particular sound really fun and I hope they run in or near Baltimore someday.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Gumball Gumption posted:

Yeah, considering her move set is a lot of stomping and rollups I think she also knows her strikes don't look impactful. A forearm at her size might not look good but a double foot stomp from the top rope always will.

Her strikes at the end of that Nyla match won me over because it looked like she was throwing absolute death at Nyla and the crowd was going insane for it.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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MassRafTer posted:

Ring of Hell claimed he was sexually harassing wrestlers in WWE.

Court Bauer inferred that on the old MLW podcast a few times as well.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Malcolm Excellent posted:

Wrestling is less horny, and therefore, less good.

AEW is trying to right this wrong.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Aesop Poprock posted:

And then there’s Ravens podcast where he... actually I don’t get Ravens podcast at all

Raven's podcast is an ongoing exploration of his attention deficit problems.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

JUNGLE BOY posted:

I only ever see clips posted of Cornette making GBS threads on AEW and the indies, I’m not gonna subject myself to his bullshit but I’m curious does he ever review RAW or Smackdown? His fan base seems to be the type that think Baron Corbin is a good heel and like, are they just taking up his opinion like they usually do?

Jim never seriously watched Raw or Smackdown and only watches AEW because the hogs lap it up whenever he complains about it.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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coconono posted:

I can't keep track. I thought all the kidfuckers were republicans. Now you're telling me libertarians are kidfuckers too?

If anything, they're worse.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:

I just wanna add that the way Cornette talks about Omega is super homophobic-coded with a lot of “not a REAL man” dogwhistle poo poo

And that's when he's not outright calling him a pedophile who groomed Riho into the business, which is just vile. gently caress him and Brian Last and their terrible fanbase.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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coconono posted:

At least be honest about the bucks. They work pretty much the same match every time and if you weren’t on board the first time you saw it, subsequent matches won’t hold water.

The bucks are best when they’re forced to wrestle differently which unlike a bunch of OVW/WWE teams, they can do stuff on the fly that’s pretty sick.

Yeah the Bucks are absolutely spot monkeys with inconsistent psychology but they've also gotten really, really far doing that so of course they're not gonna stop. Plus they're really good at it so their matches are fun.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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coconono posted:

if they watched anime they'd realize the idea of a tiny woman being the biggest ballbuster is real and can your best friend.

I know its too much to ask for these fuckin smoothbrains that just want poo poo summarized for them, but if they'd actually watch a loving AEW Riho match in AEW you'd see the utter imperious disdain in which she dispatched her opponents. It was great compelling poo poo.

Watching Riho beat the poo poo out of Nyla Rose with forearms during their first title match is what made me an official fan of hers. I didn't really get it until then, but it's impossible not to root for someone that small hitting a bigger opponent that hard.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Lamuella posted:

Maybe JR should have told him about Asian porn when he told Vince.

Somehow I think Corny already knows about it.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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History Comes Inside! posted:

That's a pretty out-there reason to be pushing them, I'd imagine it would have more to do with the fact that they could generally wrestle circles around most other female wrestlers, since we aren't really that far removed from women's wrestling in the west being treated like a novelty sideshow and the wrestlers trained accordingly. Plus they all start training right out of the womb, it seems.

I've come to the opinion that AEW is doing with joshi talent what WCW did with luchadors, basically bulking up their midcard/overall presentation with a style that's still new(ish) to a large portion of the fanbase.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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thatguyclint posted:

Like Cavauro said, that's a stated goal, and while it's gotten a little hurt by the pandemic, having people who have still gone over and worked the style in the US has been a help. They've had to rely a little more on women who are less "polished," possibly because they've worked US indie schedules instead of full-on joshi promotion tours, but it's getting there, and I think Shida's the right one to have the belt on.

...anyway, Cornette's weird.

Yeah, Corny refusing to understand this and projecting the shittiest possible intentions onto it are a good example of how out of touch he is with the biz. He flat out refuses to see how over Riho was/is or how talented Shida is.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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rotinaj posted:

This may or may not be the place for it but is there a single person who has been the “other guy” on a wrestler podcast that was good of their own merit?

Raven's sidekicks aren't great but their entire job is to try and contain Raven's attention deficit problems, which no sane person with literally anything else to do would sign up for. It's kinda fun listening to him drive them crazy, at least.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

"Outlaw mud show" refers to z-tier wrestling shows put on by promoters who weren't sanctioned by the NWA and were sometimes held outdoors because they weren't wealthy or well-connected enough to secure a building. Cornette conveniently forgets all the state fairs he and the Midnlght Express wrestled in that were essentially the same thing, even though he's mentioned them in shoot interviews before.

Ad by Khad posted:

UFC great Jens Pulver's sidekicks are basically identical to this, but he does twitch rather than podcasts

Is his twitchcast as much of a glorious mess as Raven's podcast? Could such a thing even be possible?

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Lamuella posted:

It's also a ridiculous backfire because "outlaw mud show" sounds hella cool.

"Hey, do you want to go to this local wrestling show?" - yeah, maybe, do I know anyone on the card?

"Hey, do you want to go to this outlaw mud show?" - gently caress yes, already in the car.

Yeah as usual Cornette's "you know what's cool? The SYSTEM and its RULES" stance on wrestling sounds absolutely stupid when applied to anything modern.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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MassRafTer posted:

Who knows at this point half of what Cornette says is made up nonsense about Japanese school girl fetishes and Kenny Omega.

He also thinks Brodie Lee is boring so I think it's safe to conclude that Cornette doesn't know poo poo about wrestling past 1989 and is generally a moron.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

https://twitter.com/Mayydayy86/status/1350903868733984768

Cornette unloaded on Jericho recently, publically disavowing him for his support of Donald Trump. Wild.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Jim's various stupid complaints about modern wrestling are a wild ride when you go back and watch the Memphis stuff he thinks was the pinnacle of wrestling, a territory full of comedy bullshit and stupid gimmicks that he replicated in his own promotion years later.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

smikey posted:

Do you not like Cowabunga the anthropomorphic wrestling ninja turtle who kids love?

I actually love stupid comedy bullshit in wrestling, which is why I don't complain that it's killing the business on a weekly basis like Cornette does.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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TV Zombie posted:

So what you are saying basically is that Corny's a Carny/Carnie.

Yes, but one who's no longer aware of what the work/con actually is anymore.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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ItohRespectArmy posted:

loving the idea that emi sakura who came up mostly through *checks notes* IWA JAPAN could not have survived the AJW dojo.

Not to mention that Emi wrestled for AJW back in the day anyway - she even teamed with Manami Toyota!

I didn't realize she STARTED with IWA Japan, though - that's crazy to think about. But it's true, and here's a match against Sumie Sakai from 1998 to prove it. Emi was probably 18 or 19 here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWAWcua27I

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Lamuella posted:

Emi Sakura's fourth match ever was on the undercard for the IWA King Of The Deathmatch tournament that Cactus Jack won in an exploding ring against Terry Funk.

Holy poo poo! When Emi comes back to TV more consistently, AEW needs to do a better job informing the audience about this stuff. This thread sent me to Wikipedia and apparently Emi had to take time off early in her career for hernia surgery, and I can't imagine ever taking bumps again after that. Makes Cornette sound even dumber for saying she wouldn't survive the AJW dojo, as if he'd know anything about how that worked in the first place.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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MassRafTer posted:

That show isn't exactly a career highlight for most people.

Not that show specifically, but more generally about coming up through one of the more insane garbage wrestling promotions out there. Emi's entry into wrestling and her career trajectory through it is really interesting.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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forkboy84 posted:

A wealthy backyard promotion sounds cool as hell

Turns out it is!

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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History Comes Inside! posted:

Because she’s making it the wrong way!

She needs to slow down by about 70% and put on about 150lbs of beer gut to pass the Cornette test.

Or time travel back to the late 1970s/early 80s since Corny refuses to ever criticize wrestling from that era.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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ItohRespectArmy posted:

he hated ROH and PWG

And WWE! He used to bitch about their terrible booking all the time.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Dawgstar posted:

This might be the most damning thing ever said about Brian Last.

Related to Cornette running his own promotion into the ground, didn't he basically kill a lot of the towns SMW ran with his own not super good booking?

A lot of those towns were basically dead already since business genius Cornette decided to run shows in extremely rural markets where no one lived/had any money. Consequently he couldn't afford to keep anyone besides Memphis guys who would work for peanuts and none of them had top-guy charisma.

Vandar posted:

I listened to the first minute of this. He hated it and thought 'Boring Brodie' was never going to get over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFdmcP4GxIY

This is by far his weirdest gripe since Brodie was everything Cornette claims to want in a pro wrestler.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

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Vince MechMahon posted:

I had a woman and her kids next to me at ROH once who, even when the kids were not there, spoke as if she genuinely believed everything. She also chanted the f slur at Dalton Castle. This was maybe 2018?

People at Manassas ROH shows chanted that at Jimmy Jacobs with distressing regularity.

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CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Wait, why would goons hate on video game players?

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