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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


ATTENTION

gently caress DUKE

https://twitter.com/CollegeBBNCAA/status/1199545775866302465

https://twitter.com/HWHoopsCentral/status/1199542948293206017

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1199546731958063104

https://twitter.com/AceAnbender/status/1199546165412450304

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Nov 27, 2019

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


colachute posted:

I have a question about the rules. If a player shoots a layup, the buzzer sounds, an opponent going for the block makes contact with the ball (*after the buzzer* and no goaltending), if the ball still goes in, would it count? Or is the play dead since a defender made contact after the buzzer?

Spent way too much time googling and found this: https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/6235/bouncing-in-a-buzzer-beater-a-ruling-from-the-nba

Basically, the shot counts. The defender can only immediately kill the shot by getting back possession. Partially deflecting a shot ball doesn't count as a shot kill, even after the buzzer. The only post-buzzer immediate shot-killer is if the shooter's team touches it again (tip-in attempts are counted as second shots) or the shot outright misses.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


C-Euro posted:

Not sure why Michigan wasn't ranked before this tourney but that'll change.

Anyone who says they saw this coming is full of poo poo.

Michigan was projected to be anywhere from 5th-8th in the Big Ten this year, only 3rd-ish if Beilein came back. Basically, a borderline NCAA-tournament team in a down year for the Big Ten. They lost three pros from last year (starting 2/3/4 and I'm counting Matthews, since he tore his ACL in tryouts), only got one incoming starting-level dude (The Franz), and he promptly fractured his wrist before the first game. Michigan even has two full, unfilled scholarship slots because their coach, who has never coached in college, couldn't recruit anybody else in time!

In that first game, Michigan nearly blew a 30-point lead to Appalachian State because goddamnit, I was at that football game and the basketball gods knew it . They then beat Creighton, a near-KenPom equal team, at home. That only created a collective "hmm... maybe we make the tournament after all, that would be nice!"

All tournament long, players that looked like transfer candidates for "fresh starts" are getting wide-open 3s and canning them. A team with gaping holes at the 2 and 3, with no bench whatsoever, suddenly has all of the above, while still running around lost at times.

There's only one reason I can think of for any of it and it's all in this video.

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1200527190837858304

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


At the beginning of the year, I did not have the Michigan-Louisville game being more of a monster than the Michigan State-Duke game.

https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1201548462120157185?s=19

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Louisville beat Michigan 58-43 and I still can't decide if that was a good game or bad game. It was definitely a defensive game and Louisville's Pack Line defense is absolutely no loving joke. That said, Michigan missed a ton of open poo poo and Louisville wasn't exactly sharpshooting either.

It feels like the first three minutes of this MSU-Duke game produced about as many points as 10 minutes of Louisville-Michigan.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Ranch Du Bois posted:

what are yalls favorite ncaa podcast to listen to? Ive started hosting a college basketball radio show at my school and I don't think I know enough about the sport yet to bring my A game.

I listened to the CBS one but I don't really love it and there doesn't seem to be too many in the apple selection. takin any suggestions

If you want to get hyperfuckingwonky, try this: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/big-game-pod/id1485173328 They grab a matchup and cover it in a hyper Xs and Os fashion.

My personal (homer) favorite is the MGoBlog guys, more for the looseness of it. I'd recommend listening to a few of them just to see how it can be loose (the titular MGoPodcasts every Monday) or tight (the WTKA actual radio shows): https://mgoblog.com/category/tags/podcasts

If you're going to cover multiple teams, you might want to check how The Moving Screen (umhoops guy and an Athletic writer, the equivalent of two knowledgable dudes at a bar taking hoops) covers both Michigan and Michigan State: https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/tgd64-7aa2a/The-Moving-Screen-Podcast

Otherwise, I've never heard a bad podcast from The Athletic, though it's a subscription service and only some podcasts are publicly available.


In other poo poo, Luka Garza (Iowa) dropped 44 on Michigan, on 17-32 shooting. Unfortunately, that was Michigan's plan, and Michigan won 103-91 because 3s are worth more than 2s and Garza had zero assists. Also, Iowa's defense is a crime against basketball. Michigan scored 43 against Louisville and had 50 at halftime.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Dec 7, 2019

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


MourningView posted:

Just blindly regurgitating everything MGoBlog (who have currently spent the week insisting that actually Jim Harbaugh outcoached Ryan Day and OSU only won because their QB took online classes) says does not actually make you as smart as you think to does, I promise

A cardinal rule of Michigan football is that everyone involved is entitled, irritating, and shellshocked from losing 14 of 15 against tOSU. That leads to a metric fuckton of toxicity from all sites/commentators saying dumb poo poo about college kids, even if they're tOSU's college kids. It's not great!

Regnevelc posted:

The game plan was to not go down and double Garza and leave open shooters for Iowa. Garza feasted on this and rightfully so. Teske had some issues defending him.

Garza is really good (dude flails his elbows and arms a lot though) and had a great game, but the plan allowed Michigan to play 8 to 10 pts ahead the entire second half and it never felt like Iowa was ever going to close that gap.

The best summation I've seen is that Michigan had no plan for Garza, but had a plan for everyone else. The general Howard defense is to shut down any chance of open 3s, cede/trap teams into taking lovely 2s, and single-cover down low, aided by the Big dropping off ball screens. Garza had a monster of a game, as the crowd (in between Baby Yoda races and Stormtrooper shirt tosses - Darth Vader was sad the t-shirt Gatling cannon broke) would groan every time he touched the ball. He played a hell of a game! Teske hasn't been that bad at defense in a long time and his foul-trouble 23 minutes didn't help.

The plan definitely wasn't to give up 44 to Garza, but the offense was cooking enough to not take the risk of doubling Garza and giving up 3s. Michigan actually made three fewer field goals! But Michigan went 10-24 from deep, Iowa went 3-15, and that's a scheme thing.

By the way, gently caress Duke.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Unranked Penn State knocked off #4 Maryland and now-unranked Texas Tech is about to knock off #1 Louisville.

The mayhem of a parity-year college basketball season is back.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Video coming, but Illinois is in the process of murdering Michigan in the paint, but one of their players just accidentally murdered a ref with a celebration punch to the temple

Edit: bonk

https://twitter.com/Bry_Mac/status/1204973259562860544

https://twitter.com/HassFawaz05/status/1204973756621492232

Edit2: Michigan then went on a 7-0 run, but continued to clunk 3s, lost, and the nutty games continue!

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Dec 12, 2019

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


I have no idea if this was meant respectfully or as a taunt, but it's a baller as gently caress move!

https://twitter.com/ChadLeistikow/status/1205321195123433472?s=19

Also apparently Garza got one of his teeth knocked back, was down for a while, then checked back in two minutes later?! What is this, hockey?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


MourningView posted:

Definitely taunting. I think Monte Morris had said he was going to do the same thing his last game in Carver but then ISU lost.

Gahaha holy poo poo here's the video:

https://twitter.com/lucyrohdenTV/status/1205321462338347008?s=19

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Kim Jong Il posted:

Rutgers opened up a huge early lead today and never looked back. Myles Powell may have suffered a concussion 4 minutes before halftime and didn't come back.

It was appparently a real, real bad concussion!

https://twitter.com/briannnnf/status/1205993391860924417

The Michigan/Oregon game was also excellent, one of those games where it's kind of sad that a team has to lose.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


https://twitter.com/umhoops/status/1206387475658215425

https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/1206387774292725761

I don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on in the Big Ten. Home Teams are like 13-0 right now (were 8-5 last year), even the poo poo home teams. drat thing's wide open.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Dec 16, 2019

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


MourningView posted:

So yeah Bohannon is sitting the rest of the year.

drat, I thought it was going to be a "sit/rest for rest of year", not "stop playing and get a hip surgery" kind of thing. Sucks.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Wisconsin beat tOSU at tOSU because...




I have no loving idea why/how! CHAOS SEASON

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Regnevelc posted:

Yeesh, Livers needs to get back soon and Joshua Christopher needs to go ahead and commit.

The main takeaway I had from MSU-Michigan is that Cassius Winston is a loving Dude. No idea why the NBA hasn't been interested in him.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


PotatoJudge posted:

Purdue lost at Illinois 63-37 in a game that was uglier than the score. Next 3 are @Mich, MSU, @Maryland so that's going to be fun.

37?!?

...... how?

Edit: Oh dear, even the analytics say that the Big Ten is a clusterfuck

https://twitter.com/totally_t_bomb/status/1214028134175199234

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jan 6, 2020

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


mcmagic posted:

Just walked in from the Rutgers PSU game. This team is fun as gently caress, and their best player isn't even playing the last few games.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1214731903946899458

I want quite badly for Rutgers to make the tournament. This year the general analysis was "maaaaaybe NIT?", but that's Rutgerseseses'sesesss's'sss second top-25 win. They have a shot at the big dance!

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Everything makes sense in the Big Ten.

https://twitter.com/AceAnbender/status/1214761791689035777

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/1215024951952117760?s=19

Duke
Michigan State
Kansas
WHAT

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Poque posted:

Holy poo poo Trevion Williams though

loving gently caress motherfucker loving gently caress

My eyes keep telling me that it's bullshit that the shots kept going in, but first Luka Garjuwon, then Trevion Williams. That drat game took time off my life.

Great game though, poo poo.

Also gently caress THAT TREVION THREE JESUS CHRIST

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Rick posted:

Arizona/Oregon was really ugly.

gently caress it, that's enough space for me to post Bill Walton videos from the game.

https://twitter.com/twmarks_/status/1215471969275039746

I mean I can see how that would be irritating when watching the game, but he beats the poo poo out of Dickie V and I wish Walton wasn't only calling Pac-12 games.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


MourningView posted:

Iowa followed up losing to a trash Nebraska team by blowing out Maryland, because the Big Ten is very normal.

Ohio State is the #4 team per KenPom ratings.

Ohio State is 13th out of 14 in the Big Ten. Rutgers is in 2nd.

This year rules.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jan 11, 2020

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


gently caress DUKE

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Regnevelc posted:

Livers is the Big Ten POTY because Michigan isnít an NIT without him, but a sweet 16 team with him.

I mean, I get the joke(ish), but it's Garza. I never want to see that dude again and he needs to turn pro and GO AWAY.

Also current Michigan bad.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Regnevelc posted:

E: Not like they can hit a free throw anyway, this game should be over.

Yeah the post-Atlantis season can be summed up like the last three minutes: two missed free throws, missed front-end 1&1, two missed free throws off a big rebound (87% shooter), missed 3-foot jump hook, ballgame on an Ayo shot.
rip

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


So Michigan was short two scholarship players in the coaching transition, and basically had an 8-man rotation going.

With Livers down, they're now at 7 and essentially terrible. Now playing 6 against Nebraska, a team which has lost to Northwestern, but beat Iowa and scared the poo poo out of Rutgers in their second meetup.

Not going to be a fun game, but it will be weird as gently caress watching a Michigan point guard not named Zavier Simpson running things!

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Regnevelc posted:

The suspension may be longer than a game, they are still reviewing the situation.

I have no idea what the situation is - the only rumor I read is too absurd to be true.

First I've seen that doesn't smell like bullshit:


The Athletic's Brendan Quinn posted:

No details have been released pertaining to the suspension and what’s prompting Howard to take this action. Howard said Thursday: “That’s in-house. We have team rules. Unfortunately he broke one.” Two sources told The Athletic the suspension is related to a traffic incident over the weekend in Ann Arbor. More specifics will emerge in time. What’s for sure, though, is that if Simpson is being suspended, there was a bad decision made somewhere along the line and those who are paying for it go beyond Simpson himself. The team needs its senior point guard most right now.

https://theathletic.com/1564944/2020/01/27/michigans-season-hits-a-crossroad-with-zavier-simpsons-suspension/#click=https://t.co/cCg6ei1z1o

Not great!

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


MourningView posted:

That was so satisfying.

For people who didn't watch Iowa completed a giant comeback and basically sealed a win when Charge Guy Brad Davidson got a flagrant foul for a hook when he tried to get around a screen with what looked like a Ric Flair low blow.

This sounds like the Big Tenniest game to ever Big Ten

https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/1221998987634446336

https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/1222002380537057282

BEAT STATE

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Kim Jong Il posted:

That might be a record for moving past everything that worked during the Beilein years.

Beilein did have a poo poo year when they missed the tournament in 2014-2015, primarily because three left to the NBA, two graduated, Caris LeVert (NBA) went down with a season-ending injury, and Derrick Walton Jr (currently NBA) went down late in the year. They only went 16-16 that year. Squint and that's pretty close to this year!

Beilein teams were primarily known for good shooting. What's been so frustrating lately for Michigan folks is that Howard's offensive sets are pretty clearly generating wide-open 3s that proceed to clank off rims, backboards, or nothing at all during the Big Ten season. There has been a lot more emphasis on the post, but Michigan isn't hitting a drat thing from outside.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


kiimo posted:

Coach K: Old Man yells at crowd

Dude, you have to post it!

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1222367170006601728?s=19

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Hahahahah

https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/1222687321880875009

I mean, what else is there to say?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


So we've asked this before and I'll ask it again: what in the flying gently caress is happening in the Big Ten?

https://twitter.com/umhoops/status/1223067079240310784

tOSU just had its freshman guard go on a leave of absence for an unknown time.

Edit: poo poo, it's a mental health thing. Good on him for recognizing it and stepping away. (also beaten with statement below)

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Jan 31, 2020

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

But I thought Rutgers already owns the NYC market

In the Beilein era, Michigan wanted to recruit in the NYC market. Rutgers was also really bad. So it made some sense to give away the home game against a team that was an automatic win.

Now Howard doesn't give a gently caress about the NYC market, Rutgers is good, and Rutgers should be favored in the game. Oops!

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


facialimpediment posted:

In the Beilein era, Michigan wanted to recruit in the NYC market. Rutgers was also really bad. So it made some sense to give away the home game against a team that was an automatic win.

Now Howard doesn't give a gently caress about the NYC market, Rutgers is good, and Rutgers should be favored in the game. Oops!

And now it's a neutral-site top-25 win for Michigan.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


oystertoadfish posted:

also I saw the headline that most of the big ten is now supporting one time no sitting out a year transfers? I assume the NCAA's losing a lawsuit or something and wants to salvage part of their petty tyranny over the players instead of just allowing unlimited transfers?

The NCAA is currently scared shitless. The NBA is looking at ditching the one-and-done NBA requirement, states are forcing their hands on name/image/likeness, and a lot of kids are just straight out going overseas to play a sport and get paid rather than doing the college thing.

One thing that Michigan's AD cited is that minorities are 55%+ of the transferring players, making the current transfer rule de facto racist.

So the NCAA is scrambling to make 75% progress and call the job done before the states/players enforce 100% progress.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


E: quote is not edit

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Was anyone watching the Michigan-tOSU game near the end? Simpson got fouled, they reviewed it, kept the foul, and assessed a technical to Simpson for somethingorother and that was basically ballgame. No idea what the gently caress the technical was for.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Apex Rogers posted:

Michigan fan here. Simpson grabbed the guy's Jersey as he was falling and it ripped. In slow motion it looked pretty bad, not sure if he did it intentionally or if it was just a reaction to falling.

Gotcha, I thought they were reviewing a hook-and-hold and even on the multiple arena replays, I didn't see the tug-and-tear.

Really lovely, dumb call to decide a game on, but hey, the Atlantis trident is cursed, so oh well

Henchman of Santa posted:

This MSU team just doesnít have it this year, which means itís going to the final four

Yep, 100%.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


I haven't seen a better representation of Michigan season than this video from the tOSU game.

https://twitter.com/eric_shap/status/1225068763227283456?s=19

A massive positive that the coaching concepts/execution generated so much open stuff, a massive negative that the talent isn't getting the ball in the drat basket.

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