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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

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it does also mean you need reliable control of the turnstile on your way back, so you have to be in communication with someone at your destination time

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Apr 28, 2009

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My favorite theory in the movie isn't "Neil is young Max" but "Ives is a young Crosby."

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009



My favourite theory is that Nolan hates action movies and practical effects and is trying to destroy their profitability by filming the worst action climaxes possible and making practical explosions incredibly dull.
"Clear action then reaction? No thanks" -christopher nolan

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.




I sometimes feel like his ideal film is The Limits of Control and he's mad that Jarmusch already made it. Just a series of scenes where people wearing designer clothing have conversations about nothing in overpriced cafes.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.


Terror Sweat posted:

My favourite theory is that Nolan hates action movies and practical effects and is trying to destroy their profitability by filming the worst action climaxes possible and making practical explosions incredibly dull.
"Clear action then reaction? No thanks" -christopher nolan

Again, I would say the same about Michael Bay and he does it more blatantly and intentionally and yet audiences love it.

Unfortunately most audiences don't seem to mind poor action scenes, hence so many of them in hollywood.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009



Zaphod42 posted:

Again, I would say the same about Michael Bay and he does it more blatantly and intentionally and yet audiences love it.

Unfortunately most audiences don't seem to mind poor action scenes, hence so many of them in hollywood.

He's gets a lot of leeway thanks to the rock and bad boys

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.




I think it's preposterous that Bay's movies are incredibly successful in spite of his singular visual style. I absolutely hate it, but millions of people like it. Your guess is as good as mine.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium, as I'm attending a Scuderia Ferrari team-building exercise. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.


Terror Sweat posted:

He's gets a lot of leeway thanks to the rock and bad boys
It says something that Michael Bay's best movie is a quarter of a century old. Then his next movie kicked off with GET MY [different angle] PHONE BOOK and things kind of deteriorated from there.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002



Payndz posted:

It says something that Michael Bay's best movie is a quarter of a century old. Then his next movie kicked off with GET MY [different angle] PHONE BOOK and things kind of deteriorated from there.

His best movie isn't even a decade old, friend.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN


Bay has multiple best movies and no bad ones, though I admittedly haven’t tackled Pearl Harbor yet.

Android Apocalypse posted:

My favorite theory in the movie isn't "Neil is young Max" but "Ives is a young Crosby."

Theory: Neil is 120 million years old thanks to a special technique where he stayed inside a turnstile without exiting, then they put the turnstile through a turnstile to send him back to the paleocene.

Theory: Max is an agent from the future and was inverted the whole time. He’s gradually de-aging from an old man, like Benjamin Button, but appears normal from the perspective of his parents.

The problem with these theories is: who gives a poo poo? In what way would even a direct revelation that the kid is R-Patt earn more than a shrug?

SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Jun 7, 2021

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
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Zaphod42 posted:

Again, I would say the same about Michael Bay and he does it more blatantly and intentionally and yet audiences love it.

Unfortunately most audiences don't seem to mind poor action scenes, hence so many of them in hollywood.

Not really. His action scenes in Transformers get progressively better from film to film as he gets more comfortable with the technology and it gets easier to do. 13 Hours was way too loving long but the shootouts were outstanding.


Halloween Jack posted:

I sometimes feel like his ideal film is The Limits of Control and he's mad that Jarmusch already made it. Just a series of scenes where people wearing designer clothing have conversations about nothing in overpriced cafes.

A bunch of people sitting around explaining the details and themes of a plot that never actually happens.

I'd actually be...sort of onboard with that.

Cafe Barbarian
Apr 22, 2016

There's one roulade I can't sing

Snowman_McK posted:

Not really. His action scenes in Transformers get progressively better from film to film as he gets more comfortable with the technology and it gets easier to do.

Really? I thought the action in Transformers was well done but the big sequences in Dark of the Moon and Revenge of the Fallen became increasingly incoherent. Then Age of Extinction and Last Knight were hard to sit through but not because of the action specifically.

I wondered what the deal was, if the production process became too complex or if Bay lost control or if he just didn't care.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005


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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Theory: Max is an agent from the future and was inverted the whole time.

I am absolutely shocked that there was never a point in the movie where someone inverted had to pretend to be not inverted. Or someone do intentional backwards speech to give a threat or information to someone.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I am absolutely shocked that there was never a point in the movie where someone inverted had to pretend to be not inverted. Or someone do intentional backwards speech to give a threat or information to someone.
I love this movie, but there are like 78 things you can do with inversion that are more interesting than anything in the final act, and most of them are more interesting than anything that happens in the movie at all. And that's not even counting all the comedic stuff you could do, which I guess tonally wouldn't work with the film but which could be really fun to watch!

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!



TychoCelchuuu posted:

I love this movie, but there are like 78 things you can do with inversion that are more interesting than anything in the final act, and most of them are more interesting than anything that happens in the movie at all. And that's not even counting all the comedic stuff you could do, which I guess tonally wouldn't work with the film but which could be really fun to watch!
The simple special effects shots in this YouTube video are more impressive than anything in TENET.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gooWdc6kb80

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.


JazzFlight posted:

The simple special effects shots in this YouTube video are more impressive than anything in TENET.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gooWdc6kb80

Look that's a cool video but seeing a milk bottle get time-hosed isn't more impressive than seeing an actual building get time-hosed. Other than that yeah that's a cool vid, thanks for sharing!

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I am absolutely shocked that there was never a point in the movie where someone inverted had to pretend to be not inverted. Or someone do intentional backwards speech to give a threat or information to someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPIUjGMPQDQ

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Look that's a cool video but seeing a milk bottle get time-hosed isn't more impressive than seeing an actual building get time-hosed. Other than that yeah that's a cool vid, thanks for sharing!
The building thing was like "oh, okay, but I don't understand what that means in the context of the battle."

(also, wouldn't some goon here have a problem with the building never being built or something? Is the building either always destroyed in one time direction or another and only briefly intact?)

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.


Yes, the time-hosed building is not technically possible without the "winds of entropy" explanation (that things hit by inverted objects eventually "push back" against the damage and reform themselves from an inverted perspective - from a regular perspective they start to fall apart/crack/shatter a couple hours before they're hit). Otherwise what the hell happened? The construction company brought piles of rubble to the town, which 30 years later turn into a building that blows up?

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Plague Champion


JazzFlight posted:

The building thing was like "oh, okay, but I don't understand what that means in the context of the battle."
Yeah that struck me as dumb in the moment. They say "we need a distraction" so they don't get seen running into the tunnel. Then there's this carefully coordinated pair of explosion/inverted explosion on the building to create said distraction... but they don't break for the tunnel until after the distraction is over.

Fell Fire
Jan 29, 2012


bawfuls posted:

Yeah that struck me as dumb in the moment. They say "we need a distraction" so they don't get seen running into the tunnel. Then there's this carefully coordinated pair of explosion/inverted explosion on the building to create said distraction... but they don't break for the tunnel until after the distraction is over.

The distraction isn't for some unseen enemy, it's for us, the audience who is witnessing the movie.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.


Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

The construction company brought piles of rubble to the town, which 30 years later turn into a building that blows up?

lmao

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN


Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Otherwise what the hell happened? The construction company brought piles of rubble to the town, which 30 years later turn into a building that blows up?

Well, right; that makes much more sense than what we’re shown in the film.

...except how would the particles reorganize into that exact building-shape, ‘remembering’ what to be?

If you were actually dealing with “reversed entropy”, and you had a pile of rubble getting unexploded by a magic unrocket, the rubble would theoretically just reform into an improbable abstract shape. The order in the rubble would increase, but it wouldn’t be organized into any recognizable building-shape because an unrocket is not a construction crew.

Like, if you pulverized a statue of a penguin into a pile of sand, then fired an unrocket from it, you’d presumably just end up with a featureless lump of sandstone, or glass. Not a penguin.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



Is there a way to watch the movie in reverse?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.


ruddiger posted:

Is there a way to watch the movie in reverse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2U7Ii0D1Mw

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjfAkgZlhIo

mmmmalo
Mar 30, 2018

Hello!


Just got around to watching this, it's a good time. I think a potential corollary of Sator's IF I CANT HAVE YOU NO ONE CAN being applied to both his wife Kat and the universe/predominant timeline would be that Kat represents that very notion of the world? There's an early shot of Kat (right after Sir Michael's scene) where a single letter on the sign for Cannon Street is obscured by a lamppost, such that the word CANON is just kind of floating above her like a helpful label. So with Kat as a personification of the canon, the Protag's twin wishes to save Kat and save reality begin to resemble eachother, just as with Sator.

I would guess mean Kat's work authenticating art bears some relation to the process by which the timeline/story decides what is true/canon? And everyone trying to trick time into doing what they want makes them comparable to Arepo, or something like that.

nemesis_hub
Nov 27, 2006



I see merit in a lot of the criticisms you guys have of the film, and yet I was thinking about it much longer than any other recent mainstream release after seeing it. Not thinking about the plot or time mechanics, but about the images and sounds and the thematic implications. It’s rare that I like a movie so much seemingly despite itself. I can’t put my finger on it but there was something hypnotic about it that caused it to linger.

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RCarr
Dec 24, 2007



Yea how much you had to think about trying to make sense of the plot.

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