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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock



or plug the old hard drive into the new machine and copy it over at sata speeds

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orcane
Jun 13, 2012



Fun Shoe

flakeloaf posted:

or plug the old hard drive into the new machine and copy it over at sata speeds
Transfers at (max.) 1.5 MB/s for a full day is way more fun though

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

let the anger flow through your salt beef filling

DerekSmartymans posted:

Ok. I got my headset for Christmas of 2017 for playing WoW

I'd very much like to know more about this whole situation???

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013




I'm guessing he's talking about a headphones-and-mic headset and not a VR one.

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic


tuyop posted:

Oh god why didnít you just copy it over the network

Everything was unplugged and cleaned and I knew it would take forever so I just went to bed. My Granny woke me up for coffee and my parents didnít get up until 10:30. I just got up here and everything is done. Itís like I didnít even notice the time!

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic


Khizan posted:

I'm guessing he's talking about a headphones-and-mic headset and not a VR one.

<nods>
Canít afford decent hardware after my computer came in $0.72 under budget.

CloFan
Nov 5, 2004



What's the best VR platform these days? I always said I'd wait until gen2 and I guess we're there and maybe almost past it

e: ah, found the thread in Games

e2: oh no

SCheeseman posted:

UPDATED 28 Nov 2020
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It's nearing the end of 2020 and the world feels a lot like Fallout 4 VR, only with a playable framerate. Those of us who are scrounging the wasteland for toilet paper while evading violent Q cultists can at least take solace that the deliverer of our world's current state is also our savior. The Oculus Facebook Reality Labs Quest 2 has provided us an escape from this living hell and all Zuckerberg asks in return is grainy, black and white video of the world's vast peoples furiously jacking it to VR porn, indexed by name and birth date. Don't lie by setting your name to I.P Freely and birth date to Sept 11 2001 or you'll get banned, depriving you of your weekly drone-delivered nutrition brick.

There's other headsets I guess. Microsoft are somehow still relevant in the VR space, despite their platform being a graveyard. Kudos to them for putting up some kind of fight, even if their inside-out controller tracking still really sucks. HTC managed to regress with the Cosmos series, none of which provided any tangible benefit over the now out of production Vive Pro. Valve's Index is high quality, ludicrously expensive and starting to show it's age, but at least they released a video game! Pimax is broken. PSVR is old. All are accessories, requiring either a powerful PC or console.

Quest 2 is the best headset*. Facebook won.
*Requires a Facebook account, entry of inaccurate personal information not allowed, multiple accounts not allowed, you will lose access to your purchased content if Facebook's automated algorithms decide to ban you. Also all the other stuff.


CloFan fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Apr 8, 2021

Party Boat
Oct 31, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he



Yeah I just got a Quest 2 and it's great, send your retinas to Uncle Zuck

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.

Yeah itís a sad thing to always have to say but Quest 2 is the best headset for price/performance and Facebook are also the only ones throwing cash around to get games made. The next best is the HP Reverb G2 but the Windows Mixed Reality controllers suck and itís effectively a $300 ďNo ZuckĒ tax. Iíve had a Facebook account for over a decade so it wasnít a thing for me but I totally get why it gives people pause if they arenít already signed up there.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"


Lipstick Apathy

CloFan posted:

What's the best VR platform these days? I always said I'd wait until gen2 and I guess we're there and maybe almost past it

e: ah, found the thread in Games

e2: oh no

Yeah the Quest 2 as stated is the best value (caveat emptor: you are the product)

The Quest 2 is also really good at streaming PC games to it wirelessly with Virtual Desktop. My friend got one and he has older wifi and he was floored at how low-latency Half-Life Alyx was. 20 or 30-series cards have lower latency streaming tech than 10-series, and the Quest 2 will warp the stream on the headset side when you move your head quickly, to make the perceived latency even lower.

If money is no object, the Index is very polished and comfortable, but you have wires and need to set up tracking cameras (the tracking cameras are mega-accurate though)

If money and jankiness are no object and you want the absolute best specs regardless of how hosed up the hardware/software is, you can go my route and pair the Steam trackers and controllers with the Pimax 5K or 8KX. If you do that, make absolutely sure you get the headset from Amazon so you can return it without hassle. I got the OLED 5K and I love the ultrawide FOV so much that I can't go back to other headsets, but when I tried the 8KX it was the highest resolution headset ever, yet the focal distance was super weird (felt like it was focused to one foot instead of one meter) and it was making me sick so back it went to Bezos.

Party Boat
Oct 31, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he



Yeah Virtual Desktop is magic and even with my old 1060 driving things I've had no problem streaming Steam VR games to my Quest. In normal times I'd probably have spent money on a GPU upgrade rather than a headset, but the market shows no signs of becoming less stupid and what am I going to do, not blow a bunch of money on a frivolous and unnecessary purchase?

Another Person
Oct 20, 2010


I need to upgrade my CPU, mobo and RAM, but gently caress me I have no idea what I am doing or looking at any more. Possibly a PSU too, I have a bronze rated 650W from ages ago.

I will be keeping my GPU (1070, not enough money to upgrade that just yet but the CPU needs to go stat), HDD and SSD. They will eventually be replaced though.

I am in the UK. I could probably throw about £1000 at this.

I have been told to look at a 5600. That would be my baseline needed part. What parts match, and where is best for them?

This is my case fwiw: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fractal-Design-FD-CA-DEF-MINI-BL-Define-Micro/dp/B004ZH18VE

My current CPU is a i5-4570, hence the need to upgrade. It is so old now.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


You want a B550 motherboard, whatever floats your particular boat there according to your own particular needs. If you're keeping the case it'll need to be a micro ATX board. You'll also want some DDR4 ram, I believe 3600 mhz works best with that processor. Other people will be able to tell you more there, I think.

Depending on how long ago "ages" is, you probably do want to replace the PSU.

That's all you need to get a basic working system - mobo, cpu, psu, ram, and whatever storage you have atm. If you got any more specific questions then shoot

EDIT - this stuff isn't going to run you a thousand quid and there's not much point buying a super fancy motherboard or whatever, so no need to go nuts. Whatever money you have left from that thousand would be best kept back for a GPU once prices and availability stop being completely insane

Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Apr 8, 2021

Another Person
Oct 20, 2010


Barry Foster posted:

You want a B550 motherboard, whatever floats your particular boat there according to your own particular needs. If you're keeping the case it'll need to be a micro ATX board. You'll also want some DDR4 ram, I believe 3600 mhz works best with that processor. Other people will be able to tell you more there, I think.

Depending on how long ago "ages" is, you probably do want to replace the PSU.

That's all you need to get a basic working system - mobo, cpu, psu, ram, and whatever storage you have atm. If you got any more specific questions then shoot

any particular B550 micro ATX mobo you would recommend? this is probably the thing I know the least about due to the many types of mobo out there

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




Another Person posted:

any particular B550 micro ATX mobo you would recommend? this is probably the thing I know the least about due to the many types of mobo out there

Go on pcpartpicker for mobos, check every feature box you care/understand about, and screenshot and come back with it. That stuff is all important when picking.

You want to replace that PSU cause itís bronze (theyíre generally poo poo) and itís old. What PSU wattage you pick depends on your target GPU. Your monitor resolution and target frame rate should dictate your GPU.

Agree that this will not run you 1000 pounds. Save the rest for your GPU upgrade.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

OH WOW! Have I shoehorned my INCREDIBLY BORING story about how I met James Corden at the Greggs at Chievely services on the M4 into this thread yet? Of course I have because that's LITERALLY the most interesting thing about me.

PLEASE TELL ME (and James Corden) TO EAT SHIT


honestly you could probably get away with a 3600, the previous gen version of that part. if you're looking for RAM + CPU + motherboard and you'd like that preassembled with a warranty I recommend CCL's ebay page very highly, they do quite competitive bundles that they've already installed the stock cooler on. having a look, this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CCL-4-6GHz-AMD-Hexa-Core-Ryzen-5-5600X-16GB-MSI-B550-A-PRO-Motherboard-Bundle-/114677642426?hash=item1ab351f4ba

is your ram, CPU and mobo (and afaik this mobo is fine) for just over 500 quid. you'll be able to clear under budget quite easily tbh.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

OH WOW! Have I shoehorned my INCREDIBLY BORING story about how I met James Corden at the Greggs at Chievely services on the M4 into this thread yet? Of course I have because that's LITERALLY the most interesting thing about me.

PLEASE TELL ME (and James Corden) TO EAT SHIT


er, wait didn't notice you need an MATX board, i'm sure there are some on there.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




CoolCab posted:

honestly you could probably get away with a 3600, the previous gen version of that part. if you're looking for RAM + CPU + motherboard and you'd like that preassembled with a warranty I recommend CCL's ebay page very highly, they do quite competitive bundles that they've already installed the stock cooler on. having a look, this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CCL-4-6GHz-AMD-Hexa-Core-Ryzen-5-5600X-16GB-MSI-B550-A-PRO-Motherboard-Bundle-/114677642426?hash=item1ab351f4ba

is your ram, CPU and mobo (and afaik this mobo is fine) for just over 500 quid. you'll be able to clear under budget quite easily tbh.

Unless they can get a great deal on a 3600, an intel 11400 is probably the better buy right now.

That being said, if it were me and it was in my budget Iíd stick to the 5600x most likely. 5600x is pretty significantly better than the 3600 and will likely matter later down the line.

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

Begone Trump, hello cool dog, you're welcome. And be ein good goon.


Another Person posted:

I need to upgrade my CPU, mobo and RAM, but gently caress me I have no idea what I am doing or looking at any more. Possibly a PSU too, I have a bronze rated 650W from ages ago.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vcMxK3

Thrown together a list for you with the 5600x, a good cooler for it, fast RAM and a compatible motherboard. I also included a few extras for consideration. You should definitely get the PSU, and there's a decent NVMe on there too for when you want to upgrade. There's other motherboard options depending on if you need wifi or not or if a USB C port matters to you.

If you wanted to upgrade your case, here's a couple of MATX options you could consider that would be easier to build in and have better airflow:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vBTrxr/fractal-design-define-mini-c-microatx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-mini-c-bk
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kPjJ7P/cooler-master-masterbox-nr400-wo-odd-microatx-mid-tower-case-mcb-nr400-kgnn-s00

As others have said, you don't need to spend anywhere near £1k for just the CPU, RAM and mobo. You can do it for less than £500 even, if you use the stock cooler that comes with the 5600x (adequate but loud). You're probably not buying a GPU anytime soon though, so if you're willing to spend on a few extras you can have a really good system ready to slot a new GPU in whenever they're available at reasonable prices.

Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 8, 2021

Spaghett
May 2, 2007

Spooked ya...

The Ryzen 5 5600x is back in stock on NewEgg. Just picked mine up.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus



Just a quick question, would going for 5600x be better than a 5800x when upgrading from a 3800x?

Or should I just save my money?

Spaghett
May 2, 2007

Spooked ya...

Zil posted:

Just a quick question, would going for 5600x be better than a 5800x when upgrading from a 3800x?

Or should I just save my money?

I know next to nothing, but everyone here keeps saying "go 5600" when asked. I think it's because the GPU is the bottleneck in your system 99 times out of 100. Your CPU is relatively untouched in both gaming and mining.

Also, the 5600 has fantastic benchmarks.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




Zil posted:

Just a quick question, would going for 5600x be better than a 5800x when upgrading from a 3800x?

Or should I just save my money?

No.

Do not upgrade a 3800x. The only place youíll see any difference is productivity/render workloads or playing games at 1080p (and the gains wouldnít be large enough to justify the cost anyway).

Save that cash towards next gen or later, or put it into a GPU or a better monitor.

If you go a page or two back you can see everyone yelling about it.

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

Begone Trump, hello cool dog, you're welcome. And be ein good goon.


Zil posted:

Just a quick question, would going for 5600x be better than a 5800x when upgrading from a 3800x?

Or should I just save my money?

1. If you're asking, then you probably don't need the 2 extra cores for 50% more cost.

2. You probably don't need to upgrade your CPU anyway and depending on your setup would not see any tangible benefit right now from doing so. If you're gaming at 1440p or above it's fairly pointless and you're better off saving the money for either a new GPU (lol) or waiting for Zen 3+ or 4 or whatever.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus



I was just wondering since I'm waiting on my new case to get here that if I was going to do a rebuild that I do an upgrade as well.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Another Person posted:

any particular B550 micro ATX mobo you would recommend? this is probably the thing I know the least about due to the many types of mobo out there

Posted this a few weeks ago, it's probably still relevant. There were reviews from the usual tech youtubers (Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, Jay2cents, Linus etc) who went over some but I forgot to save them. You can go back and check the whole post if you want to see what I found about the other parts.

crepeface posted:

So, since I spent like a week researching gaming PC parts and I saw a few builds/questions about essentially what I put together, here's my template to get started on researching a gaming PC build. Availability and performance per price is going to depend on local fluctuation, so adjust for that. Put your build into PCPartpicker and they'll usually pick up any incompatibilities. Feel free to ignore/yell at me for my choices.

...

Motherboard: Trickiest part. General rule is don't get a higher model board (like a X570) if it means you're getting the shittiest one of that type. Spreadsheets comparison here: (1) and (2). Make sure it has all the features you want (like number of USB slots, Wifi, PCI slots if you got a bunch of harddrives, etc.) You don't need anything higher than 1GB Lan unless you're running a local minecraft server maybe? IDK. You may have to update your motherboard to support the Zen 3 CPU.
  1. b450 - older budget board that work, but you're limited to PCIe 3.0. However, benchmarks (1) (2) seem to indicate it won't bottle neck your video card or SSD much if at all (for now).
  2. b550 - generally what every one gets. Recommended models to research are:
    • ASRock B550M Steel Legend
    • MSI B550-A Pro
    • ASRock B550 Pro4
    • MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI
    • MSI MAG B550M BAZOOKA
  3. x570 - mostly for future proofing or if you can get a good deal. I didn't look at this much. See corrections below.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Couple changes/additions/clarifications for people reading along:
Motherboard: There's really no point to X570 over B550 unless you have much greater I/O requirements than a B550 board will support. If you're not sure about this, you don't need an X570 board. It's not future proofing in any way to buy an X570 and most of them have chipset fans, which annoy people. Get a B550 board.

crepeface fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Apr 9, 2021

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




crepeface posted:

Posted this a few weeks ago, it's probably still relevant. There were reviews from the usual tech youtubers (Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, Jay2cents, Linus etc) who went over some but I forgot to save them. You can go back and check the whole post if you want to see what I found about the other parts.

x570 is older than B550, so it is most certainly not future proofing.

Those b550 boards are what's generally recommended in this thread. Sometimes the lower end Asus stuff sneaks in there too. I'm personally a fan of their BIOS.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Yeah, that's why I included the other goon who corrected me. I should just take it out of the post tho.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I've been using my bluetooth headphones (Bose QC35s) recently and the sound cuts out sometimes, especially when also using a DualShock controller (over bluetooth obviously). I'm just using a cheapo bluetooth dongle plugged into my front USB 3.0 slots.

Should I just get a higher quality bluetooth dongle? Which one? In retrospect, I probably should have just got a motherboard with wifi/bluetooth.

Can I use two bluetooth dongles at once?

Related, is there a thread/recommendation for 5.1 speakers? I don't think I'm after incredible sound quality, just something serviceable with 5.1. My Logitech z640's input cable is almost completely hosed and it's attached to the central channel/control unit so I can't just replace it (though I might try opening it up).

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

Begone Trump, hello cool dog, you're welcome. And be ein good goon.


Bluetooth is poo poo is the problem you're experiencing, and having it onboard wouldn't make a difference and in actual fact many motherboard bluetooth chipsets are even buggier. In the instructions for connecting my Xbox controller to the PC they specifically said try to only use one bluetooth device at a time and while you may be able to connect more, expect problems.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003



I just finished putting together my 5800x and some old parts build. If you can't find a video card either and are looking to upgrade around that, and also not pay too much on gouged items, maybe it will help you.

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/Xvtp99

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




crepeface posted:

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I've been using my bluetooth headphones (Bose QC35s) recently and the sound cuts out sometimes, especially when also using a DualShock controller (over bluetooth obviously). I'm just using a cheapo bluetooth dongle plugged into my front USB 3.0 slots.

Should I just get a higher quality bluetooth dongle? Which one? In retrospect, I probably should have just got a motherboard with wifi/bluetooth.

Can I use two bluetooth dongles at once?

Related, is there a thread/recommendation for 5.1 speakers? I don't think I'm after incredible sound quality, just something serviceable with 5.1. My Logitech z640's input cable is almost completely hosed and it's attached to the central channel/control unit so I can't just replace it (though I might try opening it up).

The issue is not the single dongle (probably). A single Bluetooth chip is capable of handling a gently caress ton of devices.

Whatís likely happening is signal interference between the controller and the headset. Or youíre too far away.

Does it happen when youíre very close to the dongle? If not, get a long USB extender and just get the dongle closer to where youíre sitting. Or get a 20Ft USB cable for your controller.

MarquisDeCarabas
Jun 16, 2012


Due to the pandemic, like many others, I have been working from home a large amount of time. I've had to setup a work station in our bedroom as all of our other rooms are in use and my big huge desktop is a bit of an eyesore and a bit hard to reconcile with the minimal footprint I am trying to leave in our bedroom. I was considering trying to build a microPC but I haven't built a computer in over a decade and recognize that's probably not the best idea. The other day I saw some all-in-one PCs that looked like they might meet my needs of reducing the footprint of my workspace in my bedroom.

I know this is the building megathread, so this isn't the most appropriate place to ask this, but are there any all-in-one PCs that people recommend?

dy.
Dec 6, 2003



MarquisDeCarabas posted:

Due to the pandemic, like many others, I have been working from home a large amount of time. I've had to setup a work station in our bedroom as all of our other rooms are in use and my big huge desktop is a bit of an eyesore and a bit hard to reconcile with the minimal footprint I am trying to leave in our bedroom. I was considering trying to build a microPC but I haven't built a computer in over a decade and recognize that's probably not the best idea. The other day I saw some all-in-one PCs that looked like they might meet my needs of reducing the footprint of my workspace in my bedroom.

I know this is the building megathread, so this isn't the most appropriate place to ask this, but are there any all-in-one PCs that people recommend?
If you really need to reduce footprint I would consider a laptop + monitor over an all-in-one. An all-in-one is like, the worst of all worlds.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




MarquisDeCarabas posted:

Due to the pandemic, like many others, I have been working from home a large amount of time. I've had to setup a work station in our bedroom as all of our other rooms are in use and my big huge desktop is a bit of an eyesore and a bit hard to reconcile with the minimal footprint I am trying to leave in our bedroom. I was considering trying to build a microPC but I haven't built a computer in over a decade and recognize that's probably not the best idea. The other day I saw some all-in-one PCs that looked like they might meet my needs of reducing the footprint of my workspace in my bedroom.

I know this is the building megathread, so this isn't the most appropriate place to ask this, but are there any all-in-one PCs that people recommend?

Most all in one PCs are generally bad.

You havenít talked about what specs/use case and price point you need so this is difficult, but have you looked at intel NUCs?

MarquisDeCarabas
Jun 16, 2012


Pilfered Pallbearers posted:

Most all in one PCs are generally bad.

You havenít talked about what specs/use case and price point you need so this is difficult, but have you looked at intel NUCs?

Fair enough, good points. And thank you both for tipping me off to all-in-ones being generally junk.

I am an attorney so work generally only requires using the Office suite, internet browsing, watching video files, and listening to audio files (I don't need to do any editing or anything like that). Some modicum of game-playing ability would be nice but not necessary given that I don't have any time for them anyways and haven't played a PC game in years.

Regarding pricepoint, I don't really have one. Around $1k would be best but I could justify a bit higher if needed.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007




MarquisDeCarabas posted:

Fair enough, good points. And thank you both for tipping me off to all-in-ones being generally junk.

I am an attorney so work generally only requires using the Office suite, internet browsing, watching video files, and listening to audio files (I don't need to do any editing or anything like that). Some modicum of game-playing ability would be nice but not necessary given that I don't have any time for them anyways and haven't played a PC game in years.

Regarding pricepoint, I don't really have one. Around $1k would be best but I could justify a bit higher if needed.

Check out NUC or laptops with monitor.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010




As long as you don't want to play modern intensive games at decent resolution and quality, a modern APU should be fine to run at lest some games which means you can go really, really small. NUCs or thin clients. These will be very inexpensive and will do everything you need.

If you want a real GPU you might be best off rolling your own in a small form factor case - except there's a GPU shortage. There seem to be prebuilts available in smaller form factors for around $1,000 but I don't know if they're actually any good. The surface level specs seem OK but usually they cheap out on PSU, motherboard, etc.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself





Quick HDD question. I'm using a 1TB 7200 RPM WD blue drive for my current media storage and streaming it to my TV and it is just fine for my needs, besides the size. I want to upgrade capacity, will a bigger drive (say 4-6 TB) but at a slower speed (5400 seems to be common) be a big detriment?

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tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

crepeface posted:

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I've been using my bluetooth headphones (Bose QC35s) recently and the sound cuts out sometimes, especially when also using a DualShock controller (over bluetooth obviously). I'm just using a cheapo bluetooth dongle plugged into my front USB 3.0 slots.

Should I just get a higher quality bluetooth dongle? Which one? In retrospect, I probably should have just got a motherboard with wifi/bluetooth.

Can I use two bluetooth dongles at once?

Related, is there a thread/recommendation for 5.1 speakers? I don't think I'm after incredible sound quality, just something serviceable with 5.1. My Logitech z640's input cable is almost completely hosed and it's attached to the central channel/control unit so I can't just replace it (though I might try opening it up).

I would recommend troubleshooting by plugging the Bluetooth dongle into a USB2.0 port instead of 3, since 3.0 emits em radiation that interferes with Bluetooth.

If that doesnít work, plug a USB 2.0 extension cord into a port and arrange it so the dongle mostly maintains line of sight with the peripheral. Onboard wireless stuff may help if it has one of those antennae you can place away from your case and close to your peripherals.

Bluetooth is awesome but itís not magic and you have to account for and mitigate sources of interference to get the most out of it. Some people find that infuriating but itís really not that bad once you understand how it works.

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