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I wonder if everybody was Nazis when it was 1488. Really maeks you think.
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I hope we reset the year back to 0 in the great dark that follows the climate wars
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In fact we should just start counting backwards now to get a head start. This year can be like -50 or whatever.
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In some hushed circles it is still referred to as year 0 because of what happened in that year of 1308...
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Randarkman posted:Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Those are all named after the old Germanic gods and used in most of the Germanic languages depending on how much they have been influences by Latin. The Romance languages follow a similar pattern with the naming of most of the days after gods (and others after the Sun and Moon, which technically speaking were gods as well), the Roman gods that is. In fact the Germanic peoples adopted the seven day week from the Romans and many of the gods who have days named after them roughly correspond to the Latin version, for instance in French, Friday is Vendredi, after Venus who's got alot of attributes in common with the Germanic Freya, Wednesday is Mercredi, after Mercury who you'll probably not be surprised was typically the God the Romans tended to identify Odin as and so on (Tyr/Tiwaz and Mars for Tuesday, Thor/Donar and Jupiter for Thursday). I have always thought this was cool as heck. Every time someone uses a week day or certain months they are giving shout outs to the old gods.
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Randarkman posted:Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Those are all named after the old Germanic gods and used in most of the Germanic languages depending on how much they have been influences by Latin. The Romance languages follow a similar pattern with the naming of most of the days after gods (and others after the Sun and Moon, which technically speaking were gods as well), the Roman gods that is. In fact the Germanic peoples adopted the seven day week from the Romans and many of the gods who have days named after them roughly correspond to the Latin version, for instance in French, Friday is Vendredi, after Venus who's got alot of attributes in common with the Germanic Freya, Wednesday is Mercredi, after Mercury who you'll probably not be surprised was typically the God the Romans tended to identify Odin as and so on (Tyr/Tiwaz and Mars for Tuesday, Thor/Donar and Jupiter for Thursday). Why do you goons know this! Interesting and informative posts are not welcome. Lmao.
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Randarkman posted:Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Those are all named after the old Germanic gods and used in most of the Germanic languages depending on how much they have been influences by Latin. The Romance languages follow a similar pattern with the naming of most of the days after gods (and others after the Sun and Moon, which technically speaking were gods as well), the Roman gods that is. In fact the Germanic peoples adopted the seven day week from the Romans and many of the gods who have days named after them roughly correspond to the Latin version, for instance in French, Friday is Vendredi, after Venus who's got alot of attributes in common with the Germanic Freya, Wednesday is Mercredi, after Mercury who you'll probably not be surprised was typically the God the Romans tended to identify Odin as and so on (Tyr/Tiwaz and Mars for Tuesday, Thor/Donar and Jupiter for Thursday). This is extremely cool and awesome information. 
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Beef Thief posted:I'm afraid to Google "dirty Sanchez". Forgive me for naively asking, if I image search this will it awaken something inside me? Depends on your stance on rear end 2 mouth
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Beef Thief posted:I'm afraid to Google "dirty Sanchez". Forgive me for naively asking, if I image search this will it awaken something inside me? Dirty Sanchez will not be denied!
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Relayer posted:Can you imagine living in the year like 15 or something? I'd just be there going "lmao, it's literally 15. what the hell." You can talk to people who lived in year zero. They dont generally recall it fondly, though I believe there are a few surviving people who do.
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I want to know some answers here. Op has a point. At some time someone invented time and dates. When was this? Before them everyone was just, meh another Sunrise. Imagine having to get a sun dial to go to work.
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Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:What did weed cultivation look like back in 420? I don't know, but I'm sure Stonehenge was involved.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I don't know, but I'm sure Stonehenge was involved. Whoa
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Mooey Cow posted:Also beginning in the 1500s countries started switching to the current calendar, as the previous one was too inaccurate when calculating leap years which over the centuries had resulted in months shifting from where they were supposed to be. But it took centuries for all European countries to switch; Russia didn't do it until after the October revolution (which actually took place in November). The catholic church, despite the new calendar being proposed by one of their guys, didn't support the gregorian calendar when it was made in the 1500s. And by the time they wanted to they had lost most of their power. Khorne fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Nov 16, 2019 |
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Assuming Xmas actually is a day out of time when Neptune is in retrograde, and the BC calendar starting on a celestially relevant date, and leap years weren’t factored in until after that, calendar is already like 30 years off at that point. So it would be like 1288.
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Burt Sexual posted:I want to know some answers here. Op has a point. At some time someone invented time and dates. When was this? Before them everyone was just, meh another Sunrise. Imagine having to get a sun dial to go to work. Given that farming was extremely important to even the earliest civilizations, I'm going to assume people have pretty much always been aware of the cycle of the seasons and have been interested in measuring it so that they didn't, you know, starve to death. Also if you pay attention to the stars (something very easy to do when there are no electric lights) it becomes pretty easy to figure that all out. As for time, I think before clocks were common people probably had a loose concept of like "it's a bit before sundown" or "its about noon" and that worked for them. Most humans were too busy trying not to starve to death to care if they were five minutes late to a business lunch or whatever.
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Burt Sexual posted:I want to know some answers here. Op has a point. At some time someone invented time and dates. When was this? Before them everyone was just, meh another Sunrise. Imagine having to get a sun dial to go to work. Keeping of time is sacred and in China was the Emperors prerogative. The ruling class had been keeping time for nearly five thousand years when Europeans came and gave everybody that ability. Europeans had been at the long game for a much shorter time. They had some foundational dates (first the founding of a city then the creation of the world) but mostly used (I dont know how to make 'reign' an adjective in this declension but pretend I do) dates like in traditional dating still used in modern Japan. Long story long both Egypt and China have strong claims to first real calendars (Egypts was better but China's was likely earlier). Ur and sumeria can claim they both got that from them. But we're bombing those people so their nationalist rhetoric matters less.
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Whatever you do do not read the book A World Lit Only by Fire for your information on this topic. It features entire sections on this topic and has the chutzpah to claim people in 1308 not only didnt understand the concept of time but that they didnt realize they were individuals with separate cognition.
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1308 wasn't a real year they went straight from 1307 to 1309 after the great salmon drought to recognize and instill the importance of sustainable fish farming and lifestyles
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Big Beef City posted:I dunno why but that's still mind blowing to me. Them fuckin' Romans... There is nothing weird about it. A whole bunch of concepts that we consider "default" or naturally inherent to all humans such as citizen's rights, and roman concept of justice, even roman virtues (although much transformed by christianity) are so deeply ingrained in western culture we don't realize they are there or how profoundly they still impact our way of thinking.
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Barudak posted:Whatever you do do not read the book A World Lit Only by Fire for your information on this topic. It features entire sections on this topic and has the chutzpah to claim people in 1308 not only didnt understand the concept of time but that they didnt realize they were individuals with separate cognition. This is actually me right now though
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What is time? Is it when I skeet and the skeet travels through the air and by the time it splatters on my red Differio sneakers a thought has finished? What was the thought in my head? Asslust? Or just a hazy remembrance of Fran Drescher on scanline and tube TV through the optical port of memory seeking into the barely cogent recollections of my childhood? Or was it about posting? Here on SA, posting about stuff, like farts and peasants too pinheaded to understand things, and stuff? And other things, too. Is it that window? If I count each second and know that a number passed, is that time? If I keep tempo is that time? I ask these questions to the other me's on this board I trust the answers will percolate in the skulls you have borrowed from me by the time I awake.
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Randarkman posted:Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Those are all named after the old Germanic gods and used in most of the Germanic languages depending on how much they have been influences by Latin. The Romance languages follow a similar pattern with the naming of most of the days after gods (and others after the Sun and Moon, which technically speaking were gods as well), the Roman gods that is. In fact the Germanic peoples adopted the seven day week from the Romans and many of the gods who have days named after them roughly correspond to the Latin version, for instance in French, Friday is Vendredi, after Venus who's got alot of attributes in common with the Germanic Freya, Wednesday is Mercredi, after Mercury who you'll probably not be surprised was typically the God the Romans tended to identify Odin as and so on (Tyr/Tiwaz and Mars for Tuesday, Thor/Donar and Jupiter for Thursday). Odin was an grumpy old dude with one eye who was in charge of everything. Wasn't Mercury the little delivery boy of the Roman gods, with winged sandles? Why would the Romans identify Odin as Mercury?
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Former chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov believes in New Chronology and that dates have skipped 500-1000 years
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From the Romans' point of view other nations they ruled worshipped the same gods just under different names, and often the hierarchy would be different. For instance they thought that the Gauls and Britons worshipped Mercury as their chief god, which they identified with the god Lugus. While Lugus didn't map perfectly on to any Roman god, his role as patron of trade and bringer of arts made him similar. In a similar vein, Jupiter was identified with Thor because they both make thunder. Odin was associated with arts and knowledge like writing, magic and poetry. Mercury was also associated with knowledge and communication, hence the Ancient Greek word for interpreter was hermeneus and Hermes was thought to be equivalent to the Egyptian god Thoth, who taught humans writing. It's also been speculated that Odin came in as chief god kind of late, supplanting Tyr who Tuesday is named after and whose name is related to Jupiter and Zeus, hence he may have been the chief sky daddy god at one point. Another thing to consider is that Germanic religion in practice would have been nothing like the relatively neat and consistent mythology you find in the Eddas, but with varied beliefs from place to place and focus on different gods. For example, in southern Norway there are tons of places named after the obscure god Ullr, who Snorri barely mentions.
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I worship the God of going fast.
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numberoneposter posted:I worship the God of going fast. Iratus Maximus
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Barudak posted:Whatever you do do not read the book A World Lit Only by Fire for your information on this topic. It features entire sections on this topic and has the chutzpah to claim people in 1308 not only didnt understand the concept of time but that they didnt realize they were individuals with separate cognition. The medieval hivemind was my favourite period of history in school.
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Barudak posted:Whatever you do do not read the book A World Lit Only by Fire for your information on this topic. It features entire sections on this topic and has the chutzpah to claim people in 1308 not only didnt understand the concept of time but that they didnt realize they were individuals with separate cognition. Is this that bicameral mind stuff from Westworld where Marcus Aurelius wasn’t sentient and the inner monologue was gods speaking to them? Lol
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Isn’t it like the year 5,000 in China though? Did Chinese know it was 1308 when everyone else thought it was -3692?
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Barudak posted:Whatever you do do not read the book A World Lit Only by Fire for your information on this topic. It features entire sections on this topic and has the chutzpah to claim people in 1308 not only didnt understand the concept of time but that they didnt realize they were individuals with separate cognition. How does the author explain away St Augustine's Confessions?
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Randarkman posted:Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Those are all named after the old Germanic gods and used in most of the Germanic languages depending on how much they have been influences by Latin. The Romance languages follow a similar pattern with the naming of most of the days after gods (and others after the Sun and Moon, which technically speaking were gods as well), the Roman gods that is. In fact the Germanic peoples adopted the seven day week from the Romans and many of the gods who have days named after them roughly correspond to the Latin version, for instance in French, Friday is Vendredi, after Venus who's got alot of attributes in common with the Germanic Freya, Wednesday is Mercredi, after Mercury who you'll probably not be surprised was typically the God the Romans tended to identify Odin as and so on (Tyr/Tiwaz and Mars for Tuesday, Thor/Donar and Jupiter for Thursday). This is even more obvious in modern day German where the weekday names have remained more or less unchanged since ancient times. Thursday is "Thortag", i.e. "Day of Thor" 
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Grevling posted:From the Romans' point of view other nations they ruled worshipped the same gods just under different names, and often the hierarchy would be different. For instance they thought that the Gauls and Britons worshipped Mercury as their chief god, which they identified with the god Lugus. While Lugus didn't map perfectly on to any Roman god, his role as patron of trade and bringer of arts made him similar. In a similar vein, Jupiter was identified with Thor because they both make thunder. Odin was associated with arts and knowledge like writing, magic and poetry. Mercury was also associated with knowledge and communication, hence the Ancient Greek word for interpreter was hermeneus and Hermes was thought to be equivalent to the Egyptian god Thoth, who taught humans writing. Neil Gaiman of comic book fame wrote a foreword to his norse mythology book where he talks about how it looks like several different cultural groups fought/interacted and eventually joined forces in northern europe to create a new pantheon (or whatever you call a group of pagan gods who are super friends) where different gods from each group filled new/varying roles depending on the situation
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time isn't real idiots morosn
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:How does the author explain away St Augustine's Confessions? It has been a very long time, and a good size portion of the book is about St. Augustine, but my memory is instead of generalizing the author is like oh yeah you see literate, roman influenced, urban people are fully alive instead of garbage dog people who sullied all of europe during the dark ages. The book if youre curious is basically completely discounted by every major historian yet still appears on the AP reading list because its a fun read!
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GABA ghoul posted:This is even more obvious in modern day German where the weekday names have remained more or less unchanged since ancient times. Thursday is "Thortag", i.e. "Day of Thor" It's "Donnerstag" not "Thortag". That's one of the many forms of Thor's name across different languages Thor/Donner/Donar and so on, typically etymologically the same as the word for thunder. German also doesn't have Odin/Woden for Wednesday, instead calling it "Mittwoch", literally "mid-week".
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is that where donar kebab comes from
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naem posted:is that where donar kebab comes from Truly a kebab fit for gods.
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The bicameral mind theory is a similar kooky theory about people in the past. One half of the brain would speak and give orders to the other like the voice of the gods and similar to schizophrenia, until a few thousand years before christ when brains started working more like today. Something like that.
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Barudak posted:Whatever you do do not read the book A World Lit Only by Fire for your information on this topic. It features entire sections on this topic and has the chutzpah to claim people in 1308 not only didnt understand the concept of time but that they didnt realize they were individuals with separate cognition. Thanks Barudak, I just started reading this book about the Dark Ages and am finding it fascinating.
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