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I stayed away from Berserk for a long time because it seemed way too dark and violent to me. When I finally got into it I was pleasantly surprised by the consistent theme of -hope- that runs through the manga. Even during Guts' lowest point, the Eclipse, there's a thread of hope that manifests yes in his and Casca's survival, but moreso I feel in Rickon's survival and how he was more or less spared from having to witness the full brutality of the Eclipse. During the Golden Age arc the hope manifests as the Band of the Hawk's core members and Guts and Casca's relationship. In the Dark Swordsman arc the hope is manifest as Puck. The Conviction arc manifests hope in a variety of ways, such as Isidro and the sex workers, as well as the village girl's decision to persevere and move forward with her life. After that as the group gets together the hope manifests more consistently as the friends that Guts surrounds himself with. I think it's likely that Berserk is going to end with a fight between Griffith and Guts, but I actually feel that it would be truer to the story if Guts walked away from the fight. In addition to the thread of hope there's also been a consistent theme of the rejection of vengeance. The Berserker armor was necessary to get Casca safely to Elf Island, but it's been consistently shown to be bad to feed the dog. Do NOT feed that dog that rages within. Now that Casca has been "restored", I see no reason why feeding the dog would now be okay to do. The Skull Knight has already been swallowed by his vengeance. Let him handle Griffith, and be happy with Casca. Griffith is not worth their time.
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Oh, Farnese's new outfit is lovely.
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Apr 24, 2020 15:25
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Yeah I don't see either of those things happening. I do think the idea that they'll go after Griffith to save their child is a good one, though. I can see the group going along with that. Before that was brought up as a possibility, I couldn't see them going after Griffith in a way that fit with the story's overall themes while still leading to a potentially happy ending. But going for the sake of their child and not just to feed Guts' feelings of vengeance and rage is really good. So much of this story has been dark and horrible and traumatic already, I don't see the need for more of that. Add to that the consistent themes of healing and hope that have been getting stronger since the group got together, and I honestly see this story as having a mostly happy ending. These characters absolutely deserve it.
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Feb 1, 2021 10:11
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:There was a collection of scary dick monsters just a short while ago, Casca seeing only the eclipse when she looks at Guts, his armor taking control and echoing anther eclipse, ongoing battles led by Griffith and the war beasts, an attempt to kill Rickert, ... Yeah bad things still happen, sure. The story isn't over, of course there are still obstacles. My point was that I don't see the point of the group going through something else on the same level of trauma and absolute horror that was the Eclipse. Casca using a behelit would absolutely break Guts, and would seem needlessly cruel to me on the part of the storyteller. I don't see a move like that coming from the same manga that has allowed characters like Rickert, Luca, and Erica to live for so long. If the story were that mean spirited those characters would have been killed a long time ago, in my view. Characters like Guts, Casca and Fernese have already experienced their traumatic moments, the story is now about their journey to heal from that trauma, not have more traumatic moments where they're completely hosed over stack up on them. That said I would not be surprised if there -was- another Eclipse, but I do not see it going as badly for Guts and Casca as the first one. I do see it going horribly for the badguys. When they next confront Griffith and his monsters it will be horrible, but they will be doing it from a position of power. Not as victims.
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Feb 2, 2021 08:56
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I'd love it if the behelit turned out to be Sonia's and she sacrifices Griffith.
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Feb 3, 2021 04:43
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temple posted:A lot of people forget that Farnese was possessed by a demon and Guts spared her. Her curse was lifted the next morning. Guts has killed people in the same situation, particularly a kid that he could have avoid getting cursed in the first place. Guts has killed as many people as Griffith. Guts's leaving the band led to Griffith's capture and the band's routing. If Guts had stayed it would have been happily ever after. People wank over the black swordsman arc but the whole arc was about his guilt and retribution/redemption was about him not being selfish anymore. Griffith never got an arc like that. I don't think Miura hates Griffith as much as fans do and he based the character on one of his personal friends. Don't be shocked if Griffith gets a redemptive narrative. Are you seriously using Guts leaving the Band of the Hawk as a mark against Guts?
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Feb 11, 2021 18:20
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Guts is, overall, a caring person who spends a good portion of the story trying extremely hard not to be caring because of the trauma caring exposed him to during the Eclipse. Pictured: An uncaring person. 
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Feb 12, 2021 04:32
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Yeah anytime someone talks about being beyond human morality I expect them to end their speech with "Mwahahahaha!"
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Feb 16, 2021 21:21
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Like legit if Berserk just ended right here I still think it'd be one of the best manga ever made.
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Mar 31, 2021 05:04
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On the other hand, Schierke is one of the biggest badasses in the series.
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Apr 8, 2021 19:19
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Sonia is one of my favorite characters, she's really interesting to me. This cheerful, friendly girl joins up with Satan putting on a good act, but you get the sense that the good act doesn't really matter to her and she knows exactly what she's joined up with. Maybe I'm misreading her but that's what it seems like to me. I'm thinking I should probably re-read through the manga at some point, it's been a while.
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Apr 11, 2021 00:21
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That reads as extremely fake to me.
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May 18, 2021 05:09
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Berserk is one of the best manga ever created, even unfinished. What a loss. Such beautiful artwork. I'll miss him so much.
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May 20, 2021 04:35
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Ashtarath posted:Man I wasn't ready for how hard this hits. RIP to a legend It's building up in me the more I think about it. gently caress.
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May 20, 2021 04:39
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Paper Lion posted:If there was a way to go out, other than actually finishing the thing, then that beautiful Skull Knight chapter that fully illustrates what happens when you chase your pain and revenge instead of moving past it is probably the way to do it. I'm going to imagine that Guts took it to heart and found peace, and I'm going to imagine Miura has done the same. I'm on the same page, definitely.
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May 20, 2021 05:17
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Guts, to me, is an extremely important character. He's strong, he's cool, and especially early on he can be a bit edgy. But he's also so vulnerable, and caring. He cares too much, in fact. That's part of why he's so vulnerable, but it's also why he's able to eventually find a new family for himself and for Casca that eventually leads them to a healthier, happier life. Guts is probably my favorite male character ever created. There's no doubt in my mind that Guts and Casca were eventually able to truly be together again. Those two weren't fated to be together...they defied fate to remain together.
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May 21, 2021 05:21
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Is the Berserk Warriors game any good?
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May 22, 2021 05:18
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly I think it would be more interesting if Griffith did try and send an invasion into Elfheim but it ends up getting totally stomped, and now he's gone and pissed off the one other place in the world that can match up with Falconia in terms of having magical poo poo at their command It would be pretty entertaining to see all these silly creatures in Elfheim go absolutely beast mode.
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May 22, 2021 21:01
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I really don't think any of "the crew" would use Becchi. One of them might face a temptation, but I don't think they'd end up doing it.
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May 22, 2021 22:53
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As far as Griffith's fate, it seems to me that ultimately he'll fade and fully change into Guts and Casca's child.
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May 22, 2021 23:52
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Hel posted:I know why it's there but with the wacky Puck stuff it doesn't work for me in most of the story, while that jokes and stuff in the flashback do. It honestly just makes all the horrible stuff worse. Him being distant kinda works for me personally, because he's a fairy. He's an otherworldly creature. He has a very different relationship with all of these things than any of the human characters do. Him being the comic relief character helps to sell the kind of creature that he is. That said, I think Black Swordsman Puck has a slightly different purpose than Puck in the rest of the story. At that point he's the only one traveling with Guts, and so he serves as the story's moral compass. In dark stories people sometimes confuse the main character's views for the author's, and Puck I think was Miura's way of saying "Hey look I know this is hosed up, okay?"
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May 23, 2021 07:51
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Griffith's scary because I constantly -want- to like him. He's a charming, beautiful person who'd be amazing to have on your side. Miura did a great job making a guy who people would follow into literal hell.
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May 23, 2021 20:24
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Flesnolk posted:An old post, but this is probably among the things that bothers me most about Berserk and Miura's passing. It's proof positive that real artists are born, not made, and if you don't have your magnum opus before 25, you're never going to. I mean Tolkien didn't get the Hobbit published until he was 45.
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May 25, 2021 03:03
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If all I knew of Griffith was everything that Charlotte saw, as a teenager, I'd be smitten with him too. She's pretty naive, but I don't see any reason to consider her stupid. It's been a bit since I've read through though so if someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it.
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Jun 5, 2021 07:50
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Hell, I was impressed that Charlotte did as much as she did to help them rescue Griffith, that took some serious balls.
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Jun 5, 2021 20:22
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I'm not sure how it would go down, but I consider Sonia to be the single biggest threat to everything that Griffith has, at this point in the story.
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Jun 8, 2021 20:12
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The big question with Charlotte is, I think...when it's revealed exactly what Griffith is, does she double down or turn against him? And I don't mean she finds out he's a demon god, Falconia people are already used to demons, I mean she finds out what he's done and that he's willing to do it again.
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Jun 9, 2021 03:30
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Mazed posted:I have to say-- having reached the point where Guts got the berserker armor and they're on their way to Vritannis: Why doesn't the Skull Knight just join their party? With how much he keeps warning Guts about going down the same path as him, he might think that joining up would be the same thing as dragging Guts down that path himself.
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Jun 9, 2021 05:47
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If his assistants feel comfortable continuing the story I'd be fine with that. I understand if they don't though, what a huge weight to bear.
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Aug 7, 2021 02:37
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It's obvious what needs to happen. Tosk, have fun writing the rest of Berserk.
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Aug 12, 2021 01:48
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Narratively I don't know what the point of requiring Guts and Casca to kill their kid in order to kill Griffith would be. Just seems pointlessly cruel at this point in the story. Like what I assumed Berserk was like before I actually started reading it.
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Jun 25, 2022 07:26
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This new development is worrying, but there was always going to be some horrible event that spurred them into action away from Elfheim. I still reject any ending that has Guts or Casca dying. This is a story about Fate, but this is just as much if not more a story about trauma. What are we saying if there's no place for Guts and Casca in a world after this struggle? They've been victims of trauma their whole lives, even before the Eclipse. This isn't like Frodo in LotR. A place to go home to was never a thing for them before their journeys started. They need to create that place themselves. No, I think the world after this conflict is over is especially for them. Their trauma won't be gone entirely, but they'll be better situated to deal with it. What happens now is that we see how Guts' new support network that he's built up over the past however many chapters comes together to help him deal with this resurfaced trauma. Or at least that's what I hope.
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Aug 12, 2022 16:09
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Bisse posted:Not sure how to break it to you but this isn't a manga with happy endings. That's actually exactly why I think the very end will be (mostly) happy.
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Aug 12, 2022 21:27
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LordMune posted:We're probably never going to get an in-depth explanation of exactly why things worked out the way they did in a cosmological sense, because Miura's dead, but I have no doubt that this was always the way it was going to go. Miura put Femto on the island, and there are only so many ways that could end. Isma going poof is sad, but it also makes sense that this was the final destination of a fairly extraneous party member. An entire island ecosystem of potential anti-Griffith silver bullets being wiped out in an instant feels like reasonable recompense for Casca being magicked back to sanity. Not that I disagree with developments, but I disagree with the very idea of there needing to be recompense for Casca's recovery. It's not like it was perfect. She's still terrified of Guts and is shocked into passing out by Griffith appearing. They already more than earned it through the continual hell their lives had been up to this point.
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Oct 3, 2022 16:32
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The 97 anime was my first exposure to Berserk back in 2019 and I didn't really think about the older animation. It was great stuff.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:14
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bees x1000 posted:uh why are Puck and whatsername there? I thought all fairies got disappeared? It could be that they've been away from Elf Island for so long (and in Ivalera's case never there) that they are no longer bound to its tree.
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Oct 14, 2022 02:45
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I do wonder how I would have responded to Berserk had I not gone into it with such low expectations. For years I dismissed it as misery porn, and only got into it when a couple reactors I followed started the anime. The latest developments with Casca do have me worries I misread some elements of the story. I didn't think we'd be revisiting the damsel Casca well.
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Oct 17, 2022 16:32
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How many times does this need to keep happening before people stop twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to explain away Miura's by now obvious proclivities? "Yes this person has drawn himself running me over with a car like twenty times before now and is now engaged in arguing for why running me over with a car should be legal, but surely, SURELY this person does not actually desire to run me over with a car."
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Wasn't Duranki largely a project managed by his team with little input from Miura himself? That doesn't fill me with confidence about them, considering the content in that manga.
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