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Bisse posted:I mean the central point of this argument is "Are Guts and Griffith morally equivalient in some ways" and, sure, while the manga plays with this theme a lot and while none of them could predict future events, I think that the central event that conclusively determines the answer to this question is, when the choice finally through cosmic intervention does arise of 'How about sacrificing all these people and drinking their blood to become God King' is presented, Guts is like 'No Griffith don't do it', and Griffith is like 'Yes, let's do it'. (Would Guts have reacted differently if he was in Griffith's shoes? No, because Guts' reaction to his fellows dying is anger and sadness, while Griffith's reaction is to thank them for their blood) I Don't agree with the other guy at all but saying Guts did what he did out of care for others is also a bit obtuse. The black Swordsman Arc and the lost children arc is about revenge. Guts doesn't care about anyone or anything, only his lust for blood. Even killing apostles is just a means to an end, he hunts them down to get closer to the godhand, not out of any sense of duty to the world. It's only after he returns to Godo and realizes how consumed by his hatred he has become, and that its lead him down a path to casting away his humanity that he finds a renewed sense of purpose. Even the artwork of guts during the lost children arc paints him as this horrible monster seeking bloodshed and destruction. The conviction arc was all about Guts actually finding something to live for, instead of throwing his mind and body away into dangerous massacres. he decides, of his own volition, to protect something dear to him. Before that he had fully become the mad dog casca always said he was.
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thats exactly it. Once guts and casca became branded they started to exist in the interstice, which means they are no longer bound by the laws of causality. it's why when the skull knight rescued them even the godhand was surprised and proclaimed that even they couldn't predict everything. Guts is free. His destiny is no longer bound by transcendental law. Just like the skull knight. It's ultimately his biggest strength, as even griffith is bound by the laws of causality, otherwise I doubt he would of raped casca knowing that tainting the fetus inside of her would lead to him becoming the moon child. Thats just a theory though.
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OnimaruXLR posted:There's also something to be said for legacy translation terms on a title like Berserk, which didn't start getting official English releases for a fair bit until after the scanlations (and the Media Blasters release of the 90s anime, as well as the Dreamcast game) something that always interested me that I never really got an answer for or understood is that in final fantasy tactics the main characters special abilities are all listed under the command "Guts". It's always made me think that theres some kind of strange translation thing going on or that the term "guts" in japanese actually is like, literal for bravery or something. Anyone able to clear this up?
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Feb 24, 2021 04:13
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Arc Hammer posted:The trouble with comes down to the fact that making it about Guts and Griffith and the theme of domination doesn't discount the fact that it is coming at the expense of objectifying a female character for the sake of a dynamic between two male leads. Thematically appropriate, sure, but it's a shaky foundation when you're undermining your main female character for it to happen and that's before you even get to the visual presentation.
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Aug 18, 2022 22:42
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christmas boots posted:I guess Arc's point would still be that this is primarily in service of showing Griffith's arc as a demonstration of how far he has fallen. I can see that but I don't think the sexual violence in the story is handled immaturely or for shock value really at all. I think if anything its an accurate depiction of the horrors of war and the perverse cruelty of man. Of course, there are points where the violence is a little over the top, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's comical. It's brutal and horrifying. But that's the point, I feel. The real world can be a brutal and horrifying place as well. And we struggle through it as well.
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Aug 18, 2022 23:14
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LordMune posted:Let he who is able to consistently tell WWII documentaries apart from particularly gnarly hentai cast the first stone, I say I think it says more about you that you think the depictions of sexual violence in berserk amounts to nothing more than "a particularly gnarly hentai". I never once got the idea that the intention from the author was to depict something erotic. Even the depiction of Griffith being exploited by the rich lord shows what a toll it takes on him personally.
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I think the word "pornographic" goes a little too far. I think Slan pretty much literally explains the authors intent in that very scene. It's fear, confusion, betrayal, hatred, lust, and vengeance. Everything an apostle would appreciate in one horrifying scene. If you're speaking about the literal artwork itself, and none of the intent behind it, I could maybe see where you're coming from, but everything requires context.
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Aug 19, 2022 01:12
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Sam Sanskrit posted:I'm gonna be honest Gigantomakhia basically hosed my ability to read anything to do with Miura's work re: sexuality charitably. Once you start incorporating what is pretty clearly fetish material in the form of health restoring child piss I am gonna side eye you forever. I love Berserk but I think it probably deserves harsher criticism around this stuff then it even gets. I'll admit I'm entirely unfamiliar with any of the other work he has ever done. I read through the entirety of Berserk in a handful of days though and just thought it was a masterpiece.
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Aug 19, 2022 01:18
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Mazed posted:This nails it. Nina is lame in a way that real people are lame. We probably all know someone who's like this, and it's possible that that someone is ourselves. Nina's story also mirrors Guts' and Griffith's in that she both kills and sacrifices someone else in order to survive. She pushes her lover off a cliff when she feels he is going to rat out the cult, and she gives up Casca as the witch while shes being tortured.
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Was that the Kushan capital on the last page? I never thought we'd see so much of the Kushan empire.
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