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I'm down with whatever system brings about the extinction of humanity the fastest.
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Grevling posted:I think we should look at animals for tips on how to structure human society. I'm specifically thinking of bonobos. There's a wonderful book about this by a Primatologist out of Harvard called Primeval Kinship, it explores the difference between subgroups of Chimpanzee, contrasting specifically the common Chimp and the Bonobo Chimp. It uses genetic evidence and human behavioral ecology to make an argument that something called "male pacification" was implemented by early humanoids to develop a three generation family structure (i.e. grandparents, parents, children) that allows for the development of human culture, and eventually technology.
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Nov 29, 2019 09:40
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Which is why i reject this argument of impotency, the argument of this ill-defined "human nature" it is within the ability of humans to dictate their nature, and they who feel their fate is dictated by this excuse are really no greater than a complex colony of bacteria
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Nov 29, 2019 09:43
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:surely communism will change this fundamental aspect of human nature, that's why communism has been so successful in the following examples: Cooperation and adaptation is what humans do best, it is like THE thing they do better than any other animal ever. But capitalist ideologues always find idiotic rationalizations for why "actually loving everyone over like I do is the true human nature look at, fucken i dunno, goats, fucken hate each other, so really I shouldn't feel bad about it at all". Like a big lion or something would even have the capacity to feel bad when it steals the food from more capable hunters.
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Nov 29, 2019 10:24
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Mooey Cow posted:Cooperation and adaptation is what humans do best, it is like THE thing they do better than any other animal ever. But capitalist ideologues always find idiotic rationalizations for why "actually loving everyone over like I do is the true human nature look at, fucken i dunno, goats, fucken hate each other, so really I shouldn't feel bad about it at all". What's more, communism isn't something where you can say "we are communist now" and it's so. What's ironic about this very old argument is that the capitalists themselves are swallowing the lies of the bolshiveks they so despise. The soviets never achieved communism. the soviets weren't even socialist. If you disagree I have a whole bunch of CHEAP gold to sell y'all. it has "gold" right in the name so certainly you'd love to pounce on this once in a lifetime opportunity to CASH IN!
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Nov 29, 2019 10:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Maybe the problem is you Pretty savage attack on the proletariat right here.
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Nov 29, 2019 10:38
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Former DILF posted:What's more, communism isn't something where you can say "we are communist now" and it's so. What's ironic about this very old argument is that the capitalists themselves are swallowing the lies of the bolshiveks they so despise. The soviets never achieved communism. the soviets weren't even socialist. The whole dichotomy between communism and socialism was, if not invented outright, at least widely popularized by Stalin for propaganda reasons, which of course capitalists immediately seized upon and said "YEP! This is it guys! This oppressive hellscape is what's awaiting you if you organize". Lenin himself called it state capitalism on a German model, and hoped it would be some kind of brief waiting period until the Real revolution happened in Germany and industrialized Europe.
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Nov 29, 2019 10:54
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holy hell it doesn't have to be communism just because there is social support infrastructure for people
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Nov 29, 2019 11:36
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is Sweden a communist country? you can do healthcare, job training, higher education and probably a lot else and its still a democratic system
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Nov 29, 2019 11:45
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dead prez posted:is Sweden a communist country? you can do healthcare, job training, higher education and probably a lot else and its still a democratic system According to the GOP Sweden is a communist country when it uses a buyers club for its healthcare system and a capitalist country when it sells oil to foreign nations how can both be true? let's ask the president https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1199718185865535490
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Nov 29, 2019 11:47
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all i know is rocky was actually against a russian
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Nov 29, 2019 11:58
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dead prez posted:all i know is rocky was actually against a russian AFAIK the official position of the POTUS is that this photograph is genuine and anyone who disputes the position of the POTUS is disseminating FAKE NEWS
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Nov 29, 2019 12:10
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dead prez posted:is Sweden a communist country? you can do healthcare, job training, higher education and probably a lot else and its still a democratic system See the reaction image of when how you suggest doing all those things conservatives go 'NO THATS SOCIALISM'
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Nov 29, 2019 12:13
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harrumph
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Nov 29, 2019 12:21
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the same conservatives who were bailed out in 2008 in a highly socialist maneuver
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Nov 29, 2019 12:41
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OP should pull himself by his bootstraps.
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Nov 29, 2019 14:14
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:surely communism will change this fundamental aspect of human nature, that's why communism has been so successful in the following examples: Grevling posted:I think we should look at animals for tips on how to structure human society. I'm specifically thinking of bonobos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJhklPJz9U8 There's also a book called The Bonobo Handshake you might appreciate https://www.amazon.com/Bonobo-Handshake-Memoir-Adventure-Congo/dp/1592406343 Mooey Cow posted:Cooperation and adaptation is what humans do best, it is like THE thing they do better than any other animal ever. But capitalist ideologues always find idiotic rationalizations for why "actually loving everyone over like I do is the true human nature look at, fucken i dunno, goats, fucken hate each other, so really I shouldn't feel bad about it at all".  dead prez posted:the same conservatives who were bailed out in 2008 in a highly socialist maneuver
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Nov 29, 2019 15:08
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Former DILF posted:Which is why i reject this argument of impotency, the argument of this ill-defined "human nature" I agree to an extent, however the premise that humans are a blank slate on which to imprint culture and behavior is an equally silly conjecture. That isn't to say we shouldn't fight to make things better or attempt to attenuate our nature but ignoring our nature is to our detriment. Almost every religion of the world attempts to stamp out various aspects of human nature and I've never seen it work. While I am firmly on the left I notice that the extreme left does the same only to have negative aspects of humanity shine through in different ways. We as humans are ashamed of our animal ways Humans are interesting creatures with a great deal of behavioral variance. We need to devise a system that is both equitable and takes human nature into account. What that system is... I have no idea.
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Nov 29, 2019 15:19
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Here's a pretty strong anarchist argument for you: https://medium.com/anarchist-faq/what-about-human-nature-ca08c4ab711d This says war never occured before the creation of codified nation-states, which, lol
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Nov 29, 2019 15:19
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early capitalism is productive, late capitalism is extractivebaalaagaa posted:I'm down with whatever system brings about the extinction of humanity the fastest. good news!
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Nov 29, 2019 15:24
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We're pretty drat far past 'human nature' to use toilets and watch television. I'm pretty drat sure in a full communist society poo poo would be 99% exactly the same except with less bullshit that serves solely to uplift an arbitrary elite class; people get up, make breakfast, go to work for a reasonable about of time, go get drinks, come home, kill time with entertainment/hobbies of their choice, masturbate, and go to bed. If anything, capitalism is clearly showing to be incompatible with healthy human functioning, since we have scientific proof of wealth causing adverse psychological effects on people, and additional proof of growing alienation, misery and violence caused by capitalism even in the supposed richest and most successful capitalist countries.
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Nov 29, 2019 15:31
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Tarkus posted:I agree to an extent, however the premise that humans are a blank slate on which to imprint culture and behavior is an equally silly conjecture. That isn't to say we shouldn't fight to make things better or attempt to attenuate our nature but ignoring our nature is to our detriment. Almost every religion of the world attempts to stamp out various aspects of human nature and I've never seen it work. While I am firmly on the left I notice that the extreme left does the same only to have negative aspects of humanity shine through in different ways. We as humans are ashamed of our animal ways Exactly this; certainly there are systemic evils we can and ought to change, but evil is in every individual, in a far deeper and more intractable way. Any system we come up with will still be abused by some who will subvert, bypass, or otherwise twist it to their advantage.
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Nov 30, 2019 06:38
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I say we should all eat more rear end.
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Nov 30, 2019 06:50
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Gift guides just show that there's a crazy decoupling between what household goods cost (dumb poo poo that makes you feel like you've bought Something!) and what regular boring poo poo you need to live costs (and which is depressing and numbing for your money to go to). You break a plate, who cares? You rent is 2000 plates a month
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Nov 30, 2019 07:01
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Exactly this; certainly there are systemic evils we can and ought to change, but evil is in every individual, in a far deeper and more intractable way. Any system we come up with will still be abused by some who will subvert, bypass, or otherwise twist it to their advantage. While I disagree with calling it evil, its pretty much this. People have their ambitions amd there's no system that can stop that. During Soviet occupation and enforced adaption of Communism in Poland, people received a bunch of goods from the state to survive every month. Food, washing powders, vodka... so an entire black market bartering system sprang up around it. Need something fixed? Trade your vodka to Stasiu and he'll fix it for you. Tired of eating the same poo poo? Jolka knows a couple Germans who smuggle west european chocolate. Trade her something and she'll get it for you. And so on and so on. And the people offering those services trade their excess goods for other goods and favors and so are better off/acquire soft power.
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Nov 30, 2019 08:51
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Literally A Person posted:Like I know this is a joke thread and that was a joke but we'll be in this kind of social stasis for generations because capitalism is extremely adaptable and won't stop until there are no more resources to exploit. I didn't read past this post but I got some good news for you on the weather channel.
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Nov 30, 2019 09:37
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Archer666 posted:While I disagree with calling it evil, its pretty much this. People have their ambitions amd there's no system that can stop that. Most of the world has a public healthcare system, which, according to the GOP of the USA is Socialism, which is also (according to the GOP) synonymous with Communism. According to the GOP of the USA, this means that basically 90% of the world is Socialist/Communist which makes these states subject to invasions by the US Military and worse according to the doctrine of US Foreign Policy It sounds like you have some insights, do you mind speaking about the USA, its private healthcare system, and the GOP's insistence that a public healthcare system is Socialism, which according to them is synonymous with Communism? Former DILF fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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Nov 30, 2019 12:16
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Archer666 posted:While I disagree with calling it evil, its pretty much this. People have their ambitions amd there's no system that can stop that. Using a barter system to shore up individual needs under a homogeneous resource distribution scheme is, like, the weakest example of avarice being endemic to Human Nature. Mr. Dick has love to spare and he needs a water chip. If you have water chips to spare, the exchange doesn't privilege one of us at the expense of the other. Contrast this with the exchange of labor for wages under capitalism. Privileging one party at the expense of the other is built into the system, as is a systemic concealing of how much that ripped off party is being ripped off.
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Nov 30, 2019 20:59
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No yeah, I was talking more about oligarchs and Party Members and that kind of thing
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Nov 30, 2019 22:48
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all we can afford is war and if you're not behind that then you're not American so why don't you just get out the most influential country built on rebellion is now the empire. i originally wrote this trying to make a joke, sorry
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