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Resting Lich Face posted:Yep. It's on like page 8 so it's forgivable if you didn't get that far. I got a little lost in the terminology about halfway through and gave up (“snagger”, swimbait, sight fishing). Just went back and finished it and good lord. Threatening a 13 year-old kid for accidentally seeing his fish cheating setup is wild.
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I have a confession to make. As a child I would cheat at Duck Hunt and that Cop Shoot'em'up game by holding the light gun RIGHT up to the TV and blasting them all. I...I am so sorry. e: I can't remember what the name of that game is and it's bugging me now but it had like...exploding cars in it and I think you could shout their tires out and poo poo.
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Thundercracker posted:Has there been an AI that can reliably beat a human at Magic: The gathering? I always thought CCGs like that where none of the starting variables were fixed (the contents of decks, starting hands, sideboards) would be hardest to AI. Closed system games like GO and chess were obviously gonna be crushed by AI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwYdpPoIcw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaBYhLttETw
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Nov 23, 2019 17:32
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Barudak posted:I was more stunned there was enough money in Southern California fish tournaments to make $150,000 over his career in winnings. 150k seems like a lot but that was also over like 10 years, which is pretty crappy.
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Nov 23, 2019 17:44
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Prester Jane posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwYdpPoIcw Wow. I can see it doing well at Hearthsone, but I thought AI was years away from being able to dominate something as complicated as DOTA.
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neural networks have been the hottest thing for a few years now, i believe it. the hardest part is training data but on a popular game players are generating that data all the time
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Nov 23, 2019 17:57
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Big Beef City posted:I have a confession to make. you could do worse, just firing directly at a lit light bulb would always register a hit
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The Dregs posted:Wow. I can see it doing well at Hearthsone, but I thought AI was years away from being able to dominate something as complicated as DOTA. dead prez posted:neural networks have been the hottest thing for a few years now, i believe it. the hardest part is training data but on a popular game players are generating that data all the time Once an AI that could beat human masters of go was invented everything else was going to call quickly. I think it's often lost on Western audiences just how deep and complicated of a strategy game Go is- until AlphaGo came onto the scene it was generally considered that it would be decades before ai caught up to human masters of Go. ( it's simply not possible to brute-force calculate the best board position in Go in the way that Deep Blue did to master chess, there are more possible variations of Go than there are subatomic particles in the known universe) Fun fact: all those machine learning algorithms that are doing everything from targeting us with ads to studying our data to figure out the best way to manipulate us into spending more on microtransactions (and dozens of other nightmare implementations), are all derived from the process that was used to create Google's AlphaGo (the AI that surpassed humans at Go.) So in a very literal way; solving an ancient Chinese board game has unleashed an artificial intelligence that is currently destroying our society. It's not the cyberpunk future we wanted, but it is the cyberpunk future we deserve. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 18:39
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Straight White Shark posted:you could do worse, just firing directly at a lit light bulb would always register a hit I had been unware of this and now I feel cheated even out of cheating
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Prester Jane posted:Once an AI that could beat human masters of go was invented everything else was going to call quickly. I think it's often lost on Western audiences just how deep and complicated of a strategy game Go is- until AlphaGo came onto the scene it was generally considered that it would be decades before ai caught up to human masters of Go. ( it's simply not possible to brute-force calculate the best board position in Go in the way that Deep Blue did to master chess, there are more possible variations of Go than there are subatomic particles in the known universe) I think you really need to chill out about Go, dude. ...We're all aware of the advantages and threats AI pose and what witnessing it happening, real-time, is and cause to our society, but, you seem almost hyper-sexual about Go. It's weird the way you write about it. Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 19:12
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Prester Jane posted:
I understand that, but DOTA is something else entirely. The AI has to control 5 team members that can move in any direction and have access to multiple powers that not only affect the enemy, but also their team mates and the environment, plus it has to decide which gear to buy and how to use that, PLUS it has to do this all simultaneously in real time. I know GO is really deep, but the computer only has to worry about playing one person, and has plenty of time between each singular move. I mean, I know I am wrong and it can do this with ease, but you can see how GO and DOTA are completely different animals.
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Go isn't solved, there's only a computer that can beat players, they haven't actually solved every mathematical permutation yet like Checkers. Same with Chess. also the language Go rules
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sounds like this guy was up to a lot of fischief!!! but really that article was fascinating if you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough
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Mike Long cheats at Magic too
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The one dota match I watched of pros vs the AI had restrictions on what characters and items the pros could use in the match because it would otherwise make the AI meltdown from lack of learning thus far  This thread is also good place to dump this giant archive website on cheating at poker and card games in general, straight out of 2004. From techniques to tools to tag team tricksters. http://cardshark.us/home.html The holdout devices webpage is also a great starting point into amateur DIY BDSM and/or budget Assassin's Creed cosplay!!!   The page also did not forget the ring  THE RING HOLDOUT posted:In my opinion this is strictly a sucker item. however, since it was listed in the popular crooked gambling supply catalogs I feel that i should still include it in this description.
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Big Beef City posted:I think you really need to chill out about Go, dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnUYcTuZJpM
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Nov 23, 2019 19:46
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stories like this about drama from really obscure and small time communities are the best, i would kill for a long form deep dive into something like groverhaus or zybourne clock
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Nov 23, 2019 19:53
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this stupid go computer could never win a fishing tournament
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Nov 23, 2019 19:54
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There's also an excellent Starcraft 2 bot; Alphastar.
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Shouldn't it be five AI trying to play as a team in Dota instead of one? Kinda missing the point otherwise.
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ArmZ posted:this stupid go computer could never win a fishing tournament
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ArmZ posted:this stupid go computer could never win a fishing tournament but it just might figure out how to design and 3D-print a fake fish in order to cheat at fishing tournaments 
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The cheating problem in bridge came immediately to mind. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/07/the-cheating-problem-in-professional-bridge
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Big Beef City posted:e: I can't remember what the name of that game is and it's bugging me now but it had like...exploding cars in it and I think you could shout their tires out and poo poo.
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Nov 23, 2019 22:33
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They're almost certainly talking about Hogan's Alley.
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I can't believe that this turned out to be an article that I read 9 pages of. Good poo poo OP!
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Mcsaros posted:The cheating problem in bridge came immediately to mind.
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Big Beef City posted:I think you really need to chill out about Go, dude. You haven't peeked out enough into the wider forums to realize who you're talking to but check out their rap sheet.
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Lazyhound posted:Lethal Enforcers? It's totally this. Thank you! Christ literally until this day I haven't thought of this game in god knows how long.
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I'm not sure why this story was so gripping but I was hooked even before the attempted murder.
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the only only other cheating I can do (and don't, because I'm bad at it and don't want to) is some card shuffling/cutting/poo poo to place a card VERY basically. But I learned how because I wanted to be able to spot it if I could. Anecdotally, a LONG time ago I was out in Vegas, in like '02? and saw Penn and Teller's show at the time and they did a trick where they called up a random dude from the audience to cut the deck of cards. Once cut by the 'member of audience' Penn could then count the exact number of cards left from a freshly opened deck of playing cards, exactly, by weight. That was neat. I was supposed to be "the guy" to cut it but shrugged it off, so it still could have either been a ringer for a cutter or just bullshit, obviously, but either-way, given his card...nuance I wouldn't doubt he'd get close to count either way. It was a great, GREAT trick. e:and no I'm not saying he was guessing it right every night, it was just presented perfectly, and sometimes cheating comes down to knowing that one card has been sliced open with a razor and another one is slidden inside, so knowing the weight is impotent. Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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I stopped when I realized he was just faking records. I thought somehow he was cheating in actual fishing tournaments. I met a bunch of old timers at Slim's Fish Camp in Belle Glade and they all hated Roland Martin because he lied about the weight of bass on his fishing show. He'd always say everything was like 10 lbs. Made fun of his helicopter lure too. Called it "the Roland Martin Special." I don't trust Roland Martin because of this. Bill Dance, however, is a man of integrity. Jimmy Houston is a coke head. Best fishing legend of all time, though, was Otis "Toad" Smith - best catfishman of all time. Had heart surgery once and saved a piece of his heart to catch a channel cat. RIP.
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quote:Toad hunted and fished all the time not just because it gave him pleasure and delight, but because it was his act of rebellion.
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my bat mitzvah ROCKED posted:Why are these articles interesting to my small ape brain Mcsaros posted:The cheating problem in bridge came immediately to mind. Twenty minutes ago, if you told me the Italian Foot Soldiers were a pair of cheating bridge players and not some badass military squad from WW2 I wouldn’t believe you. I read all of the bass cheating article and the bridge article and they were compelling despite the fact I have absolutely no interest in either one.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:I stopped when I realized he was just faking records. I thought somehow he was cheating in actual fishing tournaments.
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Trying to remain calm and civil as I continue to not send death threats to the address of America's Big Bass Guru Mike Long, who cheated at fishing, for the next five minutes.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:I stopped when I realized he was just faking records. I thought somehow he was cheating in actual fishing tournaments. The article goes into him cheating at fishing tournaments. Keep reading.
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Somewhere in the article it said Mike Long bought a huge mansion with a four car garage. He wasn't making that much money from cheating at fishing. What the hell did he do for a living?
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:Somewhere in the article it said Mike Long bought a huge mansion with a four car garage. He wasn't making that much money from cheating at fishing. What the hell did he do for a living? dude have you even heard of herbalife e. if you've got 5 minutes i can explain Truck Stop Stall fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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EorayMel posted:The one dota match I watched of pros vs the AI had restrictions on what characters and items the pros could use in the match because it would otherwise make the AI meltdown from lack of learning thus far This is too much work
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