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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!


Last year we held the first ever NY64 to determine the Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic in WWE history! The Ring Boy Scandal won and everyone wondered how anyone could watch this company. I said I'd immediately follow up with another tournament to determine the worst person in WWE history!

Well I'm lazy.



The rules are simple: I'm allowing anyone who worked for WWE for a significant amount of time, or worked in partnership with them, or basically the rules are I'm not letting Trump in. You've gotta be a home grown wrestling scumbag to get in my tournament.

Hulkamatt and I allegedly broke down half of the bracket here: https://twitter.com/MonumentalPod/status/1198644374185357313

How does it work?

Twice a day I will post a poll on twitter. You can find them here https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament and I'll post the links in the thread.

Generally the votes start around lunchtime and 8 PM Eastern.

Vote for the person you think is more of an rear end in a top hat, the person with more votes advances.

If there is a tie both assholes advance.

The #16 seeds will be determined by play in votes similar to the NCAA tournament. Play in matches start tomorrow! Hulkamatt forgot to put the seeds on the graphic but you can basically figure it out.

The results of the first tournament are here: https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1086688935596736512

Thank you to the Top Secret NY64 Championship Committee for helping vet the names, Hulkamatt for creating the bracket image and Bix for suggesting some names I wouldn't have considered!

davidbix posted:

USEFUL ADDITIONAL NOTES AFTER LISTENING TO THE PODCAST, NOW WITH RECEIPTS:

Benoit tried to bully either London or Kendrick into seducing a waitress while he, Jamie Noble, and the London/Kendrick partner his in the hotel closet, watched, and masturbated.

From their initial Highspots shoot, IIRC. Should be on Highspots Wrestling Network. Summaries:
https://whatculture.com/wwe/10-weirdest-real-life-wwe-friendships?page=10
http://the-w.com/brian-kendrick-paul-london-shoot-interview

Vince Sr helped cover up Mel Phillips, bragged on an FBI wiretap about threatening Dr Jerry Graham.

Graham info here, including FBI records: https://deadspin.com/fbi-records-show-vince-mcmahons-dad-caught-on-tape-brag-1793690848

Phillips thing mentioned by both Superstar Graham on Donahue (I know, but...) and Bruno Sammartino (to Jeff Savage in Penthouse) in 1992, as well as by John Arezzi at various times, including on his settle the beef podcast with Vince Russo.

Donahue video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTCRnBEUJM

Donahue transcript: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560722-Donahue-Transcript-03-16-92-OCR-Titangate.html

Jeff Savage article: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560721-No-Holds-Barred-by-Jeff-Savage-Penthouse.html

John Arezzi on Mel Phillips: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560726-John-Arezzi-on-Mel-Phillips-Pro-Wrestling.html

Linda was key in the Tom Cole cover up. At one point she said she didn't believe anymore that he was abused and that Mel Phillips just had a foot fetish that was misconstrued.

Tom Cole interview in Wrestling Perspective:
http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/78/cole1.html
http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/79/cole2.html

Tom Cole and Linda McMahon on News 12 Connecticut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCq8t5rDhVQ

Mike Mooneyham interview with from 1993 (listed date is incorrect; only part 2 deals with Cole):
http://www.mikemooneyham.com/1992/11/01/linda-mcmahon-part-1/
http://www.mikemooneyham.com/1992/11/08/linda-mcmahon-part-2/

Bischoff was directly accused of using racial slurs in the discrimination lawsuits on top of his institutional failure. Was successfully sued for discrimination when he basically called a certain Torch columnist/elementary school teacher a child molester. Yet he learned nothing, and 18 years later, he more or less said on his podcast that Dave Meltzer looks like a pedophile.

Racism: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6531682-Thunderbolt-Patterson-Response-to-WCW-Motion-for.html

Meltzer: Episode of 83 Weeks that dropped the week of 9/11/2018.

Bruce/Torch: I can't find the actual interview anymore, but it's discussed during his April 2000 Wrestling Observer Live appearance during my call that falls apart after that point. An Observer WCW retrospective mentioned the settlement years later, not sure which one, but Bruce has mentioned it obliquely at times. This was the line, you can see why WCW would pay up:

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1194413668307484672

Flair was accused of martial rape in Beth's divorce filing.

Part of the infamous Grantland article: https://grantland.com/features/the-wrestler-real-life/

Hogan was privately accused of raping a Mall of America public relations staffer, sued her for extortion, she countered...and he settled?!?!?

Hogan sues: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-01-07-9601070379-story.html

Settlement:
Hogan book: http://bit.ly/hoganbookkennedysettlement
Court docket showing dismissal with prejudice out of nowhere on top of his admission: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/10218867/bollea-v-johnson/

Jannetty actually posted a few stories of sexually assaulting people on Wrestling Classics. The plane story is most famous, but they was also the rape by deception where had a straight friend who he told he was hooking up with a female groupie...only to find a gay guy to do it instead.

No receipts, unfortunately. It got deleted before anyone saved it. But here's an archive of the flight story, which was confirmed by others on the plane, including...Buddy Rose and one of the Bushwhackers, I think?: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=132966&page=1

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Nov 26, 2019

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Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



In this to win this !!!

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



MRT is doing some next-level PR work and showing how Warrior is only an 8 seed rear end in a top hat.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Inoki being in warms my heart even though I don't think he'll go far just cause I think votes will go to more of the more known WWE guys

Also on the podcast you were mentioning Kensuke Sasaki I missed what he did to get on a list like this

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I'm guessing there's a pretty good chance Inoki will have the chance to get steamrolled by Mel. People have more mixed feelings towards the 3 people who could stop him.
I can't wait to see what happens when we hit HHH vs Benoit.

Do not even ask
Apr 8, 2008


SatoshiMiwa posted:

Also on the podcast you were mentioning Kensuke Sasaki I missed what he did to get on a list like this

My memory is a little hazy on it, but I think it was manslaughter of a young lion or something like that

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

MRT is doing some next-level PR work and showing how Warrior is only an 8 seed rear end in a top hat.

As far as raw hatred and selfishness goes he is a Tier 1 rear end in a top hat. As far as his actual deeds go, 8 seed is about right.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

SatoshiMiwa posted:

Inoki being in warms my heart even though I don't think he'll go far just cause I think votes will go to more of the more known WWE guys

Also on the podcast you were mentioning Kensuke Sasaki I missed what he did to get on a list like this

sasaki killed a young lion by suplexing him until his skull cracked

hunnert car pileup
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

good to see what a young up and comer like Carlos Colon in the tourney

also what did Kenzo Suzuki do

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
Congratulations to Vincent Kennedy McMahon on his victory in this competition.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





The Young Lion that Sasaki murdered was named Hiromitsu Gompei.

Takayuki Okada, a trainee in Riki Choshu's World Japan Dojo, died while training with Kenzo Suzuki

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Vince probably steamrolls until Moolah, then that one is interesting. Who's worse, the abusive pimp who ruined women's wrestling, or the guy who enabled her?

Ignoring everything *else* Vince did, of course

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Seams posted:

Congratulations to Vincent Kennedy McMahon on his victory in this competition.
Benoit and McMahon hitting each other early is an interesting match up. Both could've easily gotten to the final round

And no Stu Hart of Fritz Von Erich for loving up their kids so bad chasing the carnie dream? Neither wrestled for the WWE but Hart at least made regular appearances in the 90's and both trained a bunch of folks for the McMahon machine.


edit: Oh didn't notice it was J up there. I know his dad was a carnie, but haven't heard too many stories about him yet.
I still think the top left bracket is pretty strong, and most folks up there could carry the whole thing.

Coolness Averted fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Nov 25, 2019

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Calling Moolah a 'pimp' is too flattering. 'Sex trafficker' seems more appropriate since the girls didn't know they were being pimped out until it was too late (to my understanding)

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Looking forward to a new season of Vincels getting real mad at the NY64 Twitter.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

DeathChicken posted:

Vince probably steamrolls until Moolah, then that one is interesting. Who's worse, the abusive pimp who ruined women's wrestling, or the guy who enabled her?

Ignoring everything *else* Vince did, of course

See, I feel like Vince winds up easily taking the left side of the bracket, since he made money off of all the bad stuff anyone did or has swept it under the rug for his org's legacy.

hunnert car pileup
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

Venomous posted:

Takayuki Okada, a trainee in Riki Choshu's World Japan Dojo, died while training with Kenzo Suzuki

I thought that said Tadayuki Okada for a sec, but yeah I forgot about this

and Fritz von Erich deffo belonged in this tourney as well

hunnert car pileup fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 25, 2019

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

I'm honestly curious on how Vince doesn't win this. If someone was committing crimes in WWE he was involved in it.

John Dudebro
Dec 3, 2013

Gumball Gumption posted:

I'm honestly curious on how Vince doesn't win this.

i don't know if you've heard, but chris benoit murdered his wife and child

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer

John Dudebro posted:

i don't know if you've heard, but chris benoit murdered his wife and child

Vince killed Owen.

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...
tarantino alt history movie where benoit kills vince instead

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
Having Swiss cheese brain due to a million concussions doesn’t excuse it but it’s a mitigating factor imo

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Smoking Crow posted:

sasaki killed a young lion by suplexing him until his skull cracked

Christ I never heard that god the 90's-00's New Japan dojo sounded like hell

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

It’s on Benoit. If you’re feeling up to killing your family, there’s places you can get checked in and straightened out. Benoit willfully ignored every out from all of this. If you tough out whatever past the point you cannot even call the ground you stand on your own, you’ve already lost, take L gracefully as possible.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


See I used to be on the side that thought the Concussions played a roll in it for awhile till I looked at the Football/Hockey guys with CTE and most of them while ending up in bad places didn't do double murder. Benoit should cruise through the bracket and I think only Vince and Mel could probably get me to vote against him

John Dudebro
Dec 3, 2013

Punch McLightning posted:

Vince killed Owen.

it's absolutely vince's fault for making him do a dangerous stunt without ensuring it would be safe, but owen's death was still an accident. vince did not wake up that morning and decide he would kill owen hart

Seams posted:

Having Swiss cheese brain due to a million concussions doesn’t excuse it but it’s a mitigating factor imo

it's not his fault that his brain was mush. benoit from ten years earlier probably wouldn't have done it and probably wasn't a worse person than vince mcmahon. but "chris benoit when he had a fully functioning brain" is not in this tournament, "chris benoit" is, and chris benoit literally murdered his wife and child

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Benoit could have changed his style, it’s completely on him. Partial blame goes on WWE for not taking care of him when he was well past taking care of himself.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

John Dudebro posted:

benoit from ten years earlier probably wouldn't have done it and probably wasn't a worse person than vince mcmahon. but "chris benoit when he had a fully functioning brain" is not in this tournament, "chris benoit" is, and chris benoit literally murdered his wife and child
Chris Benoit before he murdered his wife and child would probably have ended up in this tourney anyway. Not like the guy was a saint.

Anyway Terry Garvin would be another one who has a real chance of taking it all.

Thing is... Vince enabled all of them.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

HHH is my overall pick, honestly. He does all the macho paternal poo poo but it seems like every time something goes south he’s one of the voices that could have stopped it. HHH could have spoken up on any number of tragedies and put a stop to it. Even the Owen Hart stuff.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I'd put Vince or Moolah over Benoit. Pragmatic systemic evil for me is just something that wins out over personal, visceral evil.
And at least Chris Benoit killed Chris Benoit, which is way more than Vince or Moolah ever did for society.

ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Nov 25, 2019

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

The WWE Universe is the true monster.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

John Dudebro posted:

i don't know if you've heard, but chris benoit murdered his wife and child
Also: There's a child molester.

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

davidbix posted:

Also: There's a child molester.

*Multiple child molesters

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Who is Mel? I don't know much wrestling history

TheKingslayer posted:

*Multiple child molesters
This is probably why

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Mel Philips is WWE/F's answer to Jerry Sandusky.

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018

Chris abused Nancy.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Jordan7hm posted:

Chris Benoit before he murdered his wife and child would probably have ended up in this tourney anyway. Not like the guy was a saint.

Anyway Terry Garvin would be another one who has a real chance of taking it all.

Thing is... Vince enabled all of them.

Enabled and specifically profited from

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
Brain injuries / mental illness effects different people in different ways. If it's Benoit vs anybody else, I'm probably voting Benoit, but if it's Benoit vs Vince, I'm voting Vince.

TelevisedInsanity
Dec 19, 2008

"You'll never know if you can fly unless you take the risk of falling."
Surprised Randy Orton isn't in this tournament, but this tournament can go anywhere.

Bill Demott could be there, but then again, is Kevin Dunn being an awful director worse than Cornette?

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KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008

TelevisedInsanity posted:

Surprised Randy Orton isn't in this tournament, but this tournament can go anywhere.

Bill Demott could be there, but then again, is Kevin Dunn being an awful director worse than Cornette?

Randy's in, he's facing Michael hayes in the racism face off

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