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I spotted Provenzano dressed just like the mobster that got shot in the face in Irises room in Taxi Driver and suspect the film has a ton of callbacks. Who saw what?
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This is a simple story about choosing dads. When given a choice between two dads, anyone that would choose old man joe pesci over solidarity pacino does deserve to die alone. And on a tangent, im glad as gently caress Parasite beat DIRTY HIPPIE FEET: A QUENTIN TARANTINO FANTASY at Cannes, even if it promotes the righteous idea that every house in america should definitely have a big dog. Far preferred The Irishman and Parasite to that poo poo, even if Once Upon a Time was often amusing and clearly expensively made. N Word Dude's movies get more and more masturbatory as time goes on. Cant wait for the super tasteful film about 9/11 BUT WHAT IF THEY TOTALLY SHOT THE HIJACKERS IN THE HEAD AND PWNED THEM BEFORE THEY. COULD CRASH THE PLANES LOL!!! Also in the chaos some of the female passengers lose their shoes!! Aw damnnn! Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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Nov 30, 2019 09:35
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hey man they are just movies ok
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Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood was easily one of Tarantino's strongest movies, in my opinion, but whatever, I guess. What's kinda funny, though, is that the poster bemoans alternate history narratives while praising a movie that's essentially alternate history (the one the thread's for).
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Nov 30, 2019 13:40
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Punkin Spunkin posted:This is a simple story about choosing dads. When given a choice between two dads, anyone that would choose old man joe pesci over solidarity pacino does deserve to die alone. Finally a good 9/11 movie idea
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Nov 30, 2019 14:49
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Punkin Spunkin posted:This is a simple story about choosing dads. When given a choice between two dads, anyone that would choose old man joe pesci over solidarity pacino does deserve to die alone. One last meltdown before the decade is over
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Nov 30, 2019 16:54
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Terra-da-loo! posted:while praising a movie that's essentially alternate history (the one the thread's for).
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Nov 30, 2019 18:36
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The source material this comes from is generally regarded as complete bullshit right?
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Nov 30, 2019 19:04
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It’s bullshit but it’s true. Incredible film, Frank at the end fondling his ring, a meaningless reward for a dehumanizing, monstrous life, as the shadows close affected me more emotionally than anything I’ve seen in years. edit: Action Bronson as the vulgar, undignified casket salesman imaginable is a stronger indictment of valorizing men like Frank’s masculinity than anything anyone has ever said about how Goodfella’s is bad. afatwhiteloaf fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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Nov 30, 2019 20:01
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Action can’t act for poo poo but I LOVE that casting decision.
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Nov 30, 2019 20:22
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a fun read https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/the-irishman-scorsese-netflix-movie-true-story-lies.html regardless i think the fate of hoffa was, he was rocking the boat too much and he was killed for it. who did it, where his body ended up being are sort of inconsequential relatively speaking
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Nov 30, 2019 20:50
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Budgie Jumping posted:Action can’t act for poo poo but I LOVE that casting decision. They should've cast Slaine.
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Nov 30, 2019 20:51
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zer0spunk posted:a fun read Yeah, Frank probably didn't do it (and if he did he lied about the particulars for some reason), but one or more persons working on behalf of the mob did.
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Nov 30, 2019 21:00
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On thinking about the movie I think it's real strength is that all the mob stuff is pretty much over with half an hour left, and we are just left to watch people get old, be forgotten, be abandoned and die alone. It's actually one of the most effective horror movies I've ever seen. The matter of fact manner of it all just makes it worse. The coffin buying scene is so without sentiment because all that happens is you die, get put in a box and rot there for eternity. There isn't much for the lady characters to do, but the one word of dialogue ("Why?") cuts through all Frank's bullshit and he has no answer, because Peggy has known from when she was a child what her father really was.
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Dec 1, 2019 00:00
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I forget if he did similar stuff with casino or goodfellas but i enjoyed the frequent *stop for a second to superimpose the brutal future death this random rear end in a top hat has coming to them* Nice mob movie touch especially when they were all super hateable.
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Great movie, not going to rank it but definitely up there with Parasite and Hippie Feet this year. It didn't feel as long as it is, although I had to stop it about half way through because it was getting waaay to late so maybe that had something to do with it. Certainly one thing that stands out the most is how unglamorous everything is. We see Frank go from driving meat trucks to being mafia's chief house painter and for what, a nice lincoln he goes to jail for and a family that hates him? In other gangster movies you see all the parties, mansions, and other cool poo poo, but here it's only the regrets. I didn't find the de-aging too distracting, but it was sometimes difficult to keep up what time it was supposed to be. One thing I didn't quite get is the setup with the wedding meeting. Were they planning on killing Hoffa all along? Since Frank was supposed to be at that meeting, what's with all the poo poo about going/not going at the last moment, then flying to Detroit for some reason? Why have Frank kill him at all, and not the other guy's minion? Punkin Spunkin posted:I forget if he did similar stuff with casino or goodfellas but i enjoyed the frequent *stop for a second to superimpose the brutal future death this random rear end in a top hat has coming to them* 
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Dec 1, 2019 01:30
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The future death stuff wasnt in any of his other mob movies.
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mobby_6kl posted:I don't think he did, but it's been ages so it's possible. I definitely liked those too. "Sentenced to 100 years, died in prison. Shot 8 times in the face in his kitchen. Blown up by a nail bomb under his porch" Yeah, those were great. I think my favorite was the lone “Well-liked by everyone, died of natural causes” in between all the murders. I did think it was weird that Anna Paquin only had two lines. I get why the character was written that way, I just thought it was kind of strange to cast someone like her for just that, even though her two lines were pretty great. Maybe she just wanted to be in a Scorsese movie?
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mobby_6kl posted:I didn't find the de-aging too distracting, but it was sometimes difficult to keep up what time it was supposed to be. One thing I didn't quite get is the setup with the wedding meeting. Were they planning on killing Hoffa all along? Since Frank was supposed to be at that meeting, what's with all the poo poo about going/not going at the last moment, then flying to Detroit for some reason? Why have Frank kill him at all, and not the other guy's minion? At first Frank was setting it up as an honest meeting to make peace, but then at the last minute he was told that they wouldn't be attending after all, with the obvious meaning implied that the decision had been made to kill Hoffa. It seems that Russell or others then either reconsidered or didn't like the way Frank reacted to the decision(he was obviously unhappy), and they decided to test his loyalty by having him do the deed. They aren't sure if he is going to side with Hoffa. And he almost does, Russell warns him not to call to warn Hoffa and Frank is shown staying up all night in bed staring at the phone considering it. That's why Frank doesn't want to sit in the front seat of the car, he thinks he might be killed as well.
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Really enjoyed this. And it was a great reminder of how consistently funny Scorsese is as a director. He might be the best "edit as punchline" filmmaker out there next to like, maybe Edgar Wright.
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wizardofloneliness posted:Yeah, those were great. I think my favorite was the lone “Well-liked by everyone, died of natural causes” in between all the murders. I really liked how her casting (and the character's position in the story generally) leads us to expect some kind of final moment with DeNiro--which on some level would be cathartic. Instead we get a conversation with another daughter, and we realize that those quiet background characters have been equally hosed up by what he's done.
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Honestly I think part of the casting is just Anna Paquin does a really good disdainful glare.
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https://twitter.com/nealbrennan/status/1200954519640690688 I think it works well in the above chunks. The gutpunch scene for me was when Frank called Jo, sputtering the words, and as he hangs up we see the huge gold ring given to him by Russell.
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Ariza posted:I too would like to know the answer to this. I know they mentioned he ended up in jail, but he knew who his Dad was with the night he disappeared. You think he would've mentioned it to someone. Or got some revenge at least. I'm assuming I missed something. Originally I thought the guy with the glasses was going to take him out and bury him, but they mentioned at the end that he got pinched for something silly and went to jail for a bit. Punkin Spunkin posted:I forget if he did similar stuff with casino or goodfellas but i enjoyed the frequent *stop for a second to superimpose the brutal future death this random rear end in a top hat has coming to them*
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I forget if he did similar stuff with casino or goodfellas but i enjoyed the frequent *stop for a second to superimpose the brutal future death this random rear end in a top hat has coming to them* the late 70s and early 80s seem to have been pretty rough!
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Dante posted:That's just part of the story that echoes the story from the book, and from the FBI Hoffa files. In the movie it's all weird because in one scene that's a devoted adopted son literally rushing a gunman for him and then he's helping him kill him...but then we learn he didn't know he was helping to kill him?? And then he disappears from the story, with no mention of how this might be an issue. This is part of the weird "movie can't decide what it wants to be" part for me. It wants to put in all these fun little pieces from the book, but the cast becomes so large it's impossible to tell it all in a coherent way even with a 3 hour + runtime. It's probably because the book is based on a whole bunch of lies.
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mary had a little clam posted:As a banal cis white dude from the suburbs, I remember growing up idolizing gangster films, or at least buying into the glamour and coolness of the wiseguy lifestyle. I'm in my late 30s now so I've kind of cooled off on stuff like that. I came into The Irishman really worried that a) I had grown apart from mobster movies and b) the 3.5 hour runtime was going to feel indulgent and wasteful. Every guy has that part of them thinks maybe they're just a couple of steps away from being a bad mother fucker, maturity is realizing that there is a very good chance they're the ones that end up catching a bullet or getting chopped up themselves. Scorsese's movies are always very good at portraying that: he never really has gun-fights, people die in split-second moments. I think his longest battle is in The Departed and even that is just a bunch of people dying in quick moments all in a row, there are no protracted fights with people jumping around. Bullets do not gently caress around in his movies.
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Scorsese's longest gunfight is probably Taxi Driver.
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Basebf555 posted:At first Frank was setting it up as an honest meeting to make peace, but then at the last minute he was told that they wouldn't be attending after all, with the obvious meaning implied that the decision had been made to kill Hoffa. It seems that Russell or others then either reconsidered or didn't like the way Frank reacted to the decision(he was obviously unhappy), and they decided to test his loyalty by having him do the deed. They aren't sure if he is going to side with Hoffa. And he almost does, Russell warns him not to call to warn Hoffa and Frank is shown staying up all night in bed staring at the phone considering it.
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The CGI de-ageing was extremely distracting to me, especially in the first half of the movie. It gave me flashbacks to Joseph Gordon-Levitt's horrifying make-up in Looper. Somehow it just didn't look right. It also turns out that taking a man in his late 70s and making his face look younger is not enough to make him actually appear young. De Niro might have looked like a man in this mid 40s at best but he certainly didn't look like a man in his 30s. It's made worse by the fact that we know how De Niro, Al Pacino and Joe Pesci looked like when they were younger and they certainly didn't look like the way they did in this movie.
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afatwhiteloaf posted:Incredible film, Frank at the end fondling his ring, a meaningless reward for a dehumanizing, monstrous life, as the shadows close affected me more emotionally than anything I’ve seen in years. This and when he's showing the photo to the nurse and speaking with fondness of someone he shot in the back is haunting.
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Captain Jesus posted:The CGI de-ageing was extremely distracting to me, especially in the first half of the movie. It gave me flashbacks to Joseph Gordon-Levitt's horrifying make-up in Looper. Somehow it just didn't look right. It also turns out that taking a man in his late 70s and making his face look younger is not enough to make him actually appear young. De Niro might have looked like a man in this mid 40s at best but he certainly didn't look like a man in his 30s. It's made worse by the fact that we know how De Niro, Al Pacino and Joe Pesci looked like when they were younger and they certainly didn't look like the way they did in this movie. The blue eye contacts on De Niro were really distracting in a couple of scenes. The worst of them made it look like he a was a host to Pazuzu or something.
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After the first few scenes the de-aging stopped bothering me but De Niro's blue eyes were distracting the whole movie. Made him look like a white walker sometimes. Otherwise the movie loving owned and the last 90 minutes is incredible and specifically the last 30 minutes is brutal to watch and very much does not glorify mobsters.
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Yeah, based on the articles about the production/cost of the film and based on the trailer (and just the power of the human eye to suss things out) i kinda assumed it would be some rogue one type poo poo where it sticks out but....i didnt even really think about it??? I guess it helped that sometimes i wasnt sure if they were also making them look older, since i dont know how decrepit pesci/de niro/pacino are in 2019 Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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I thought this was brilliant. Scorsese made his final statement on the mob films, much the way Eastwood made the final statement on the westerns with Unforgiven: by making a film that completely pokes holes in the previous glorification of the genre.
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Captain Jesus posted:De Niro might have looked like a man in this mid 40s at best but he certainly didn't look like a man in his 30s. hahaha I thought he was supposed to be in his mid 40s in those scenes oops.
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Nothing I can really add except to say it's kind of brutal that he's got the rest of his days to figure out why Peggy cut him out of her life and you know he won't ever fully let himself understand. It'll just slightly gnaw at him until he keels over. Frank never really seemed that bright at any point in the movie.
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There's a 23 min bonus roundtable called "The Irishman- In Conversation" on Netflix, with Scoresese, DeNiro, Pacino, and Pesci. If anything, it needs to be seen just for Pesci's hair and facial hair.
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Astrochicken posted:Frank never really seemed that bright at any point in the movie.[/spoiler] His beef-embezzlement plan appeared to hinge on his boss not being able to count to ten
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Man, I keep thinking about Hoffa's death. Pacino is heartbreaking in that last moment.
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