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Dixville
Nov 4, 2008

I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND DID AN OOPS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT SHIT HAPPENS. ps tom brady is GOAT


Ham Wrangler

LostMy2010Accnt posted:

I have a soon to be 10 year old, short haired black cat whose third eyelids have been showing for over a month now. I've taken her several times to the vet to get a physical, blood-work and x-rays taken and everything has come back positive. The only thing the doctor was concerned about was her weight which she's slowly been putting back on. Her behavior is normal, no changes in habits, her appetite is good, she's drinking her normal amounts of water, and was given a topical de-wormer. I'm confused as to why this is still a thing and concerned of what it could be, but my local vet has said everything is fine. Could their be other issues to this like allergies? Any help is appreciated, thank you.

I'll be honest, that's a bit unusual. Second opinion might be a good idea. Maybe a neuro specialist for imaging like ct or mri? The good thing is it's hopefully nothing serious as most of their vital signs sound ok (eating drinking ok, your vet would have assessed the mucous membranes and other vitals)

My thoughts: 1 possibly neuro because the third eyelid is controlled by a different nerve than the other eyelids so could see it stick up if not working properly, and 2 that third eyelid lifting is *usually* associated with fairly severe disease like infections, metabolic disease etc. So basically your cats symptom doesn't fit much with "eating drinking ok, gaining weight, etc." So that's why I say it's unusual. Good luck and I hope it's something benign for kitty!

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LostMy2010Accnt
Dec 13, 2018

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Dixville posted:

I'll be honest, that's a bit unusual. Second opinion might be a good idea. Maybe a neuro specialist for imaging like ct or mri? The good thing is it's hopefully nothing serious as most of their vital signs sound ok (eating drinking ok, your vet would have assessed the mucous membranes and other vitals)

My thoughts: 1 possibly neuro because the third eyelid is controlled by a different nerve than the other eyelids so could see it stick up if not working properly, and 2 that third eyelid lifting is *usually* associated with fairly severe disease like infections, metabolic disease etc. So basically your cats symptom doesn't fit much with "eating drinking ok, gaining weight, etc." So that's why I say it's unusual. Good luck and I hope it's something benign for kitty!

I appreciate the response. I'll have to contact my old vet this week since they have more resources than my current vet. Thank you for your help.

LostMy2010Accnt fucked around with this message at 12:23 on May 8, 2020

nulldev1ce
Aug 16, 2002


Shiny Globule

Apologies if this has been asked and answered a thousand times before. Chronic kidney disease is pretty common in cats, as I understand it.

So, ours was recently diagnosed, based on a big increase in drinking water and peeing. Blood/urine samples confirmed it, and they prescribed the special food. My family's been down this road with other cats in the past...they hate the damned food. Ours seems to be okay with the dry, but she won't touch the wet stuff, even if we drizzle tuna water/oil on it.

I understand that the special food is lower in protein -- the first ingredient listed is water -- so my question is, would it be OK if we gave her a heavily-watered-down, smaller quantity of her old canned food that she DOES like? It seems counterintuitive to feed her *only* dry food when she's already thirsty...

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!


LostMy2010Accnt posted:

I have a soon to be 10 year old, short haired black cat whose third eyelids have been showing for over a month now. I've taken her several times to the vet to get a physical, blood-work and x-rays taken and everything has come back positive. The only thing the doctor was concerned about was her weight which she's slowly been putting back on. Her behavior is normal, no changes in habits, her appetite is good, she's drinking her normal amounts of water, and was given a topical de-wormer. I'm confused as to why this is still a thing and concerned of what it could be, but my local vet has said everything is fine. Could their be other issues to this like allergies? Any help is appreciated, thank you.

Could be Haws Syndrome

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!


nulldev1ce posted:

Apologies if this has been asked and answered a thousand times before. Chronic kidney disease is pretty common in cats, as I understand it.

So, ours was recently diagnosed, based on a big increase in drinking water and peeing. Blood/urine samples confirmed it, and they prescribed the special food. My family's been down this road with other cats in the past...they hate the damned food. Ours seems to be okay with the dry, but she won't touch the wet stuff, even if we drizzle tuna water/oil on it.

I understand that the special food is lower in protein -- the first ingredient listed is water -- so my question is, would it be OK if we gave her a heavily-watered-down, smaller quantity of her old canned food that she DOES like? It seems counterintuitive to feed her *only* dry food when she's already thirsty...

The main point of the diet is protein and phosphorus restriction. There are a TON of kidney prescription diets these days, so try some variety and see what she likes. It's literally the only evidence based thing you can do to prolong her life/quality of life.

nulldev1ce
Aug 16, 2002


Shiny Globule

YourCreation posted:

The main point of the diet is protein and phosphorus restriction. There are a TON of kidney prescription diets these days, so try some variety and see what she likes. It's literally the only evidence based thing you can do to prolong her life/quality of life.

We are going to try other brands, but the vet only carries two, and it took them a week to get me the authorization (they won't send it to Chewy directly, which annoys me) so it's not trivial and will take time.

I read that ipakitine powder can help with phosphorus levels, sprinkled/mixed into canned food that she might be willing to eat; and we were buying pretty premium food (Wellness, etc.) which is in line with the more-recent idea that smaller amounts of higher-quality protein are good (as oppose to an across-the-board protein reduction.) E.g.:

"Recently, use of "renal diets" in treating cats with CKD has become controversial, weighing the potential benefits of these diets mitigating the clinical consequences of CKD versus the purported potential risk of protein malnutrition consequent to the high protein requirements of cats. As a result, some veterinarians have recommended feeding diets containing high levels of dietary protein instead of "renal diets". This divergence in therapeutic opinion has evolved from recent studies suggesting that senior cats may require more protein than younger cats and the observation that at least in some cats with CKD, body weight, body condition score and/or muscle mass may decline over time."
http://www.iris-kidney.com/educatio...feline_ckd.html

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. As with most things, I'm overwhelmed by the divergent opinions, the pet food sellers' "information" which is a conflict of interest, the tinfoil hat "I cook my cat's food fresh daily!" crowd, etc.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!


Yeah being a consumer and making decisions is not easy with all of the marketing and crazies out there. I work in emergency/critical care medicine so the feelings on CKD management may have moved on without my notice.

LostMy2010Accnt
Dec 13, 2018

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YourCreation posted:

Could be Haws Syndrome

Thanks for the info on that; I'll see if I can pass that along to my vet and get further directions.

Dixville
Nov 4, 2008

I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND DID AN OOPS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT SHIT HAPPENS. ps tom brady is GOAT


Ham Wrangler

Please... don't be this person!

Dixville
Nov 4, 2008

I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND DID AN OOPS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT SHIT HAPPENS. ps tom brady is GOAT


Ham Wrangler

YourCreation posted:

Could be Haws Syndrome

Wow I don't remember learning this. Thank you!

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!


So, idle question here, if any vets want to comment - If there's a concern about protein deficiency in renal cats with renal diets, would a hydrolyzed diet make any sense? Is it the protein that causes issues in renal patients, or the actual amino acids?

LostMy2010Accnt
Dec 13, 2018

Galactic War Crimes Simulator


Dixville posted:

I'll be honest, that's a bit unusual. Second opinion might be a good idea. Maybe a neuro specialist for imaging like ct or mri? The good thing is it's hopefully nothing serious as most of their vital signs sound ok (eating drinking ok, your vet would have assessed the mucous membranes and other vitals)

My thoughts: 1 possibly neuro because the third eyelid is controlled by a different nerve than the other eyelids so could see it stick up if not working properly, and 2 that third eyelid lifting is *usually* associated with fairly severe disease like infections, metabolic disease etc. So basically your cats symptom doesn't fit much with "eating drinking ok, gaining weight, etc." So that's why I say it's unusual. Good luck and I hope it's something benign for kitty!

YourCreation posted:

Could be Haws Syndrome

So I went to a second vet two days ago and they think Haws Syndrome as well. I'm waiting to hear back but this seems like the likely issue and we're going to continue care from there. Thank you both for the feedback and help, it means a lot.

Dixville
Nov 4, 2008

I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND DID AN OOPS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT SHIT HAPPENS. ps tom brady is GOAT


Ham Wrangler

LostMy2010Accnt posted:

So I went to a second vet two days ago and they think Haws Syndrome as well. I'm waiting to hear back but this seems like the likely issue and we're going to continue care from there. Thank you both for the feedback and help, it means a lot.

No problem !

Dixville
Nov 4, 2008

I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND DID AN OOPS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT SHIT HAPPENS. ps tom brady is GOAT


Ham Wrangler

Did a c section today. Hopefully the pup will survive. The mom has had a pup before and it died we did spay at the same time as c section so no more for her.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!


Very jealous, I've never gotten to be part of a c-section. Everyone I work with assures me it's actual hell, but still, I bet the first one is fun.

Medullah
Aug 13, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS


Hey guys my pups poop has been yellow and soft the last week or so. I'm trying to get into the vet but there's a backlog due to lockdown. She's been on the same kibble since I got her with no issues (Kirkland Chicken and Rice) and I have given her canned pumpkin for a week, but wondering if there's anything else I might add? It's not quite diarrhea but very close. She's 60 days past her final heartworm shot but still is supposed to be taking it easy for a few more months so I'm extra cautious

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YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!


Slugworth posted:

Very jealous, I've never gotten to be part of a c-section. Everyone I work with assures me it's actual hell, but still, I bet the first one is fun.

I have no love for this procedure

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