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Colonel Cancer posted:Nah it's a neoliberal lie that college leads to better lives. We need welfare state first and offer/incentivize training in needed vocations second. This should be the conversation. Animal-Mother posted:collages Pay for your own drat scissors and glue I'm making my own collage, you got yours zaepg fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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State sponsored education for those who show aptitude and interest. I think it would be good. Colleges are big corporations, not really places of learning.
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Dec 8, 2019 00:56
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No one's needs college any more they can just watch the Joe Rogan podcast for free on youtube
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Dec 8, 2019 03:10
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Insert picture of john Belushi wearing a college sweater in animal house here
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Dec 8, 2019 03:23
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I took a four year video game design program and now I’m the lead developer on iconic title Fallout 76
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Dec 8, 2019 03:53
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nothing is free op
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Dec 8, 2019 04:12
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I paid for college. Giving it away for free devalues my college-going
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Dec 8, 2019 04:14
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it's pretty stupid we expect kids to start down the path of a career choice before most of them have even held a job
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Dec 8, 2019 04:26
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PyPy posted:I paid for college. Giving it away for free devalues my college-going You could work 69 hours a week at 12 dollars for 12 years and pay off your 30k a year student loan. Give or take 20 more hours a week to cover food, health care, car, rent.
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Dec 8, 2019 04:32
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Yes, but with required merit thresholds (SAT scores, twitter followers, IG faves, scrobbles etc)
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Dec 8, 2019 04:38
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Yes, OP but then again I think everything should be free.
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Dec 8, 2019 04:39
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yea brother
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Dec 8, 2019 04:43
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yes also the professors should teach for free too
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Dec 8, 2019 04:53
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We gave my favourite teacher a party. You have to challenge your students in more ways than one.
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Dec 8, 2019 05:11
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Away all Goats posted:it's pretty stupid we expect kids to start down the path of a career choice before most of them have even held a job See I get this. My kids have part time jobs or whatever, they know they aren’t careers in parking boats or setting up tables for wedding receptions. There’s gotta be a better method. Let’s drop 40 large before I even figure out my life is a bad plan. One child is going to CC for two years and it’s super affordable and the classes go both industrial or managerial, or both. I hope we’ve guided correctly based on his skills and interests. Shits hard.
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Dec 8, 2019 05:15
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Rutibex posted:yes also the professors should teach for free too This is not the model, and you know it. poo poo stirrer
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Dec 8, 2019 05:17
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let it mellow posted:nothing is free op
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Dec 8, 2019 05:18
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I'm 200k in Cooking School debt from a usury loan Sally Mae coaxed me to sign when I was 18 😂🤣
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Dec 8, 2019 05:22
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MageMage posted:I'm 200k in Cooking School debt from a usury loan Sally Mae coaxed me to sign when I was 18 😂🤣 Tell us more. Where? About done? I know head chefs that make half that a year in small markets. You’re a slave to the owner groups, but he’s clearing easy 100 and got married, bought a house, etc. he’s really good though. Y’all don’t have to give details, just curious.
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Dec 8, 2019 05:28
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Three Olives posted:My parents already paid for my college so I don't think I should be punished by having to pay for someone else's education. what a loving mentally ill person 3O is YIKES
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Dec 8, 2019 05:29
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I would be so hosed if I had to pay for my education. I mean the government paid me to go study and today I spend everything I make, gotta keep that economy rolling! If I had debt I'd probably kill myself instead of spending six figures on good life getting fat(ter). I can't imagine how those who didn't born under lucky stars survive this horrible thing called life.
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Dec 8, 2019 05:50
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:I would be so hosed if I had to pay for my education. I mean the government paid me to go study and today I spend everything I make, gotta keep that economy rolling! If I had debt I'd probably kill myself instead of spending six figures on good life getting fat(ter). I can't imagine how those who didn't born under lucky stars survive this horrible thing called life. spend less than u make imo
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Dec 8, 2019 05:57
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let it mellow posted:spend less than u make imo No. Spend more than you make.
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Dec 8, 2019 05:58
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I anticipate that I’ll be in a financial position to put my kids through school (as my parents did for me), so in that scenario they have an advantage over their less fortunate peers, while that advantage is lessened should free tuition become a reality. So I dunno, it’s a complex issue.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:01
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:No. Spend more than you make. good point
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Dec 8, 2019 06:07
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Other countries do it with some pretty reasonable results so why not us I guess. Though tbh I don’t really get how unguided college is a good thing, like for prolly over 90% of students the education itself is a total waste, and no I don’t mean like history classes are pointless or something I mean that the students in the classes don’t really care about the material and will do the bare minimum to pass and promptly forget whatever they didn’t really learn. Everyone is there just sorta for the expectation and on paper credentials when it feels like really no one accomplished much and degree requirements are an artificial class barrier. I’m okay with college being free for all majors and interests I just dunno if a 4 year summer camp for young adults is really the best place to pool our limited communal resources or if we as a society should really value it as highly as we do. Give me someone with 4 years of jobs experience over 4 years of dubious “education” any day.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:16
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Nothing is free.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:16
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General Dog posted:I anticipate that I’ll be in a financial position to put my kids through school (as my parents did for me), so in that scenario they have an advantage over their less fortunate peers, while that advantage is lessened should free tuition become a reality. So I dunno, it’s a complex issue. I’m not in that position, but good for you! Like seriously. Here’s what I’m doing and was done for,me. Go to CC first two years get gen ed done. First semester is kids to pay, second is parents. (Admittedly I floated a few hundred as a grant to him) Review progress, next is mine. Rinse repeat. As long as it’s not some bullshit dead end interest, we finish in 4 at a big ten university. Same treatment I got.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:18
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One of the things that I don't get us why the capitalist don't just count the ROI for providing health and education to a population. A healthy and smart resource will push value and tax back to the ruling elite when compared to some sad fool who cant read and dies of pneumonia. Makes me wonder if not providing healthcare and education is just sadism.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:18
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ArbitraryC posted:Other countries do it with some pretty reasonable results so why not us I guess. My kids go to college during high school. We have an extraordinarily good program here I get. CC offers AP classes at a remote campus/palace (8 story architecture to die for) if you ask me, for juniors and seniors. Free. All the credits are college. It’s badass. Saved thousands, and my son just now regrets not doing it junior year. He said dad, get xyz into the program ASAP. Heads on straight.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:25
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:One of the things that I don't get us why the capitalist don't just count the ROI for providing health and education to a population. A healthy and smart resource will push value and tax back to the ruling elite when compared to some sad fool who cant read and dies of pneumonia. I mean the vast majority of jobs probably don’t require more than a high school degree if that, and having overqualified people in those jobs just causes more issues for people employing them. You don’t staff a hospital with only or even mostly doctors, not gonna do you much good to give everyone that education.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:43
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How the gently caress can you make a smart choice to go to college without having a loving clue what you want to do career wise in a general sense? Say you wanted to be a doctor since you were 5(coincidentally my son chose this at Pre-K graduation), but turns out you actually suck at it, or you don't love it and actually found out youre a fantastic cook, or whatever. Jokes on you you already borrowed 40k for a year of schooling at a pre med school or whatever. My solution is this: instead of letting kids opt out of school in 11th grade, something that is definitely a thing now, because teachers wages are garbage, start programs that introduce kids to career paths they are interested and let them try other things as they go. Then maybe they have a clue or a clear path and get the opportunity to experience something they might love. College shouldn't be "free", but like other countries, maybe serve in the military for 2 years as payment, or any number of examples that could work. For profit colleges should be outright loving banned though for real. The fact that even after all the scandal, millions with loan payments for schools that don't exist(hi, that's me), these "institutions" still exist is abhorrent. Healthcare should definitely government funded but that's socialism so it will never happen. A few white dudes need to be getting rich for anything to happen in the US. It's all hosed op, gently caress you
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Dec 8, 2019 06:46
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Even if education is free it doesn't mean everyone will do it or graduate. Just have a look at the socialist nordic countries if you don't get what I mean.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:50
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College should be free. It should be entirely free to get a higher education, at the very least for fields that the world actually needs more educated people in. Like, even if you tax wall street to fund it, it would benefit wall street to have young people educated, well paid, and not have so much debt that they can't buy anything. Like if you had young people getting education and good paying jobs and having a bunch of debt free money to spend, some of that money is going to go right to the wall street guys and still increase their moneys. What would a young educated person do if they didn't have a shitton of debt loving them in the rear end? Spend money on frivolous poo poo, buy a house, or invest it somewhere, all is pretty much a win for the economy and the fat cats.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:54
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Burt Sexual posted:My kids go to college during high school. We have an extraordinarily good program here I get. Yeah we had a program called running start in Washington, I started my freshman year in Uni in diff eq haha. Those are good programs and I feel like they really encourage people interested in higher education to start giving it a shot. But not everyone is and it feels like kind of a waste to just throw everyone into it just cause. As I said I’m not opposed to the idea I just wonder if it’s worth the investment or if fixing our weird obsession with requiring a degree for jobs that people woulda done far better with just learning through experience would do a lot more good. Feels like we’re starting with the wrong conclusion and working backwards from it. Free college for all only solves a problem we shouldn’t be experiencing in the first place imho.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:55
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interwhat posted:How the gently caress can you make a smart choice to go to college without having a loving clue what you want to do career wise in a general sense? Say you wanted to be a doctor since you were 5(coincidentally my son chose this at Pre-K graduation), but turns out you actually suck at it, or you don't love it and actually found out youre a fantastic cook, or whatever. Jokes on you you already borrowed 40k for a year of schooling at a pre med school or whatever. Y’all need to settle itt. ———— But I agree that kids need to figure poo poo out before dropping large on a uni. I’m sad that more don’t offer (outside of my supposed flyover midwest state) industry arts and skills. “Shop” class is not what you remember anymore. At least here. It ain’t woodworking or whatever.
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Dec 8, 2019 06:58
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Burt Sexual posted:My kids go to college during high school. We have an extraordinarily good program here I get. Your case is sadly not the norm for the rest of the country. Even sadder is people that live in these areas think that it's a representation of the country's education system and are super quick to dismiss everyone else. What that other guy said though, it's in the country's best interest to educate as many individuals as possible because it's a guaranteed return on the investment. But we don't want the whole populace educated now do we?
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Dec 8, 2019 07:00
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Instead of free college hour bout no college but they teach all the college stuff in high school
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Dec 8, 2019 07:00
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Burt Sexual posted:Y’all need to settle itt. I went to the Art Institutes for culinary so this is a super sore topic for me, I'll try to dial it back. In what way is shop not shop anymore? I'm curious since I never had the opportunity, I opted for Spanish and as many music classes as possible so shop wasn't on the radar. There have been times, as a now homeowner, while watching YouTube videos on how to tile a bathroom or build a shelf where I wonder if I could have learned this poo poo already. For me, the peers I knew in shop also were in special ed courses for their core subjects, almost entirely due to behavioral issues. I think the discussion if college should be free or not may start wayyy earlier than we might think.
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Borrowed Ladder posted:Instead of free college hour bout no college but they teach all the college stuff in high school Ohhhh poo poo..dude
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