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Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
I got shoved a few times at a poker room in Reno because I beat the guy a few times. To be fair I egged him on by making fun of him being bald after like 45 minutes of him talking poo poo.

The room was pretty dead though so I was glad the casino just gave him a stern talking to and sent him back to keep playing. Won a few grand from him lol.

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Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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From movies I’ve seen, throwing chips down on the craps table seems like a hell of a time.. hope I get to try that some day.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
What ever happened to bar poker where you buy a drink and get to play tournaments for like a $50 drink gift cert? That was a good time, then like 3-4 years ago all of the bar poker events vanished. :confused:

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Has anybody here ever gambled on one of those river boat casinos

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Coolguye posted:

yeah, wasn't impressed.

but i'm probably the wrong person to ask because the only casinos i've ever truly enjoyed were those lovely ones as i enjoy making money :shrug:

got a more specific question?

For some reason I’ve always been under the impression that they’re somewhat higher stakes games usually is that true? I don’t think I’d really enjoy myself on one either, do they do that to skirt some sort of casino laws in certain areas or just for novelty?

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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The boat being on the water until the operators decide to head back to shore is a pretty great way to keep people spending when they might’ve otherwise wise left

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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jase1 posted:

I have all types of gambling stories you name it I have most likely gambled on it. I can regurgitate a few from my older threads I just have lovely memory due to a lot of years of hard partying so I might forget a few details. Most of my crazier stories are from a hustling pool but now I don't play as much and mostly gamble with a bookie and play poker. I do play a weekly mahjong game late on the weekends after they close and that's more fun than anything I gamble on.

I play in a normal 5-10 game at the local dog track around here and it's usually filled with white rich old dudes with to much money or your typical degenerates betting on dogs and playing poker. The game I play usually doesn't get started until around midnight and will go until we are finished and because most of the players are regulars we get a lot of leeway at the room. A few weeks ago I showed up to the room a little early and while I was waiting for the game to start up I sat down at a 2-5 NL game. Within the first few rounds I can usually peg the type of players I am playing with, I know a lot of them so you get used to their style but when I see a new guy my eyes light up. I see a young kid who has the wonder and excitement of his first casino trip. I sit down and say hi to the regulars and notice this kid has about 1500 in front of him which means he has had a decent night. I immediately start chatting him up asking him how his night is going he responds back with a very cheerful story of how it's his 21st birthday and it's the first time he has ever played poker at a brick and mortar. He is an online player and now it all makes sense why he is acting the way he is. It's his first time sitting at a live table and he is just overcome with emotion. I notice right away he is bullying the table making outlandish raises from any position, he raises $200 into a $25 pot and things like that.

I keep chatting with him and stay friendly with him until I get pocket queens. I only have $500 in front of me and he raises it to $150 I think about it for less than 2 seconds and push all in. As he is contemplating I get the sense he has no clue what to do I chuckle and say "can't find the fold button"? His friendly demeanor is now serious and I start to realize not a single person at the table has challenged this kid. This is his first big decision and it's not really for all that much either. He folds JJ face up and says he thinks he is beat. He asks me what I have and I tell him I didn't look I knew I could get you to fold from one big bet thinking he will figure out I am full of poo poo and we will go back to being friendly. He shuts down completely and gets the dead serious stare like now he means business. He stops talking to me and starts tanking every decision. About an hour later my stack is around $1200 after flopping a full house with 1010 against an aggressive player who never folds and the kid is sitting at about $900. I get dealt KK and raise it to $25 the standard raise at the table and he reraises me to $200 I give a little stupid speech on how whatever happens in this hand doesn't really matter because my real game starts soon and I push all in. He insta calls flips over AA and gives a big fist pump while standing up. His demeanor is all happy now because he has me in bad shape. I joke with him and say Kings have been good to me I see a third one in my future. He laughs nervously but still is confident he has me this time. Dealer puts out the flop and boom I hit a K and the table does the usual ohhhhh and ahhhhh and the kid takes his glasses off looks down at the flop and in the most defeated voice says "you have got to be loving kidding me this loving guy is pure luck" the dealer runs out the turn and the river and it doesnt help and the kid just slumps back in his chair staring at the dealer counting our chips. The dealer says I have him covered and the kid literally pushes the chips across the table in an aggressive matter mixing some of them in another players stack. A total dick move in my opinion but I have an ego and can be a dick as well so no big deal to me. He is now white as a ghost and just sitting at the table completely depressed with all the money he lost. He looks at me as I am stacking the chips gives me the finger and gets up from the table. As he is walking away I say "hey kid" he turns around and I say "happy birthday'!

I totally forgot about your pool threads. You should make another one.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Can the dealer make it spin any other boy bands? Say New Kids on the Block?

:cenobite::classiclol:

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
Summer of 2018 I was out of work and paid my bills with online poker, it was extremely loving stressful but it somehow worked out because I’d quit if I won or lost a certain amount in a night. My state only has 1/2 as the max live holdem stakes which is very hard to beat long term with the rake, but the few times a year I go it’s the same regs at the tables and I always wonder if they just have a bankroll set aside, or if they’re out every day trying to make it work as an income.

Poker bums seem sad to me so I imagine working somewhere and seeing the same old lady pumping the slots every day is pretty loving depressing.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Blistex posted:

Had a friend who was an online poker fiend, but not some sort of amazing shark, just statistically better than 90% of your average schlubs who have played it for more than a week and less than a year. He's sign up for a site, play and make money, then when he got sent up too many levels to where he was playing 99% sharks, he's start another account at another site and start over. It would take him a week or two to level up enough to get to the point where he was not longer making easy/reliable money. He signed up his girlfriend, his parents, and even found a few sites where the determining factor was the credit card and not the name/address. He finally ran out of sites to play, and gave up, only coming out of retirement when he'd hear about a new site starting up.

I think he (on a good week) would clear $2-3k playing the lower-mid tier rooms with $5-20 buy-ins.

He also said that you could easily tell online players from regulars when you went to a casino (something he rarely did) because they would have such erratic bets (really high or low).

I don’t know about that last paragraph. People used to online play(in my experience) usually stick to 3-5bb opening bets and about 3/4 pot later in the hand until they get the feel of the table, which I guess ends up being small at some tables. In my experience live players bet way bigger than you’d see online.

But yeah during the time I was grinding for my income I’d only play Thursday through Saturday nights lol, a whole lot of drunk people playing 2/5 going for big scores. I usually was able to withdraw about $1k every Monday with a big enough bankroll left over to play more 2/5 the next weekend.

I also am not sure why you’d be starting new accounts, the site I play on doesn’t have any sort of like, ELO or anything so you’re always with the same player base. Your friends whole story doesn’t make any sense to me but who knows.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Gambling addicts don't usually physically freak out too much from my experience (two years as hotel/casino security). They will sometimes ask to be "self excluded" after losing huge but it's like they have lost all emotions usually.

It's the drunks that make a scene.

Yeah they just get sad but aren’t gonna go wild, don’t wanna get kicked out, the ATM is only a few feet away.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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I think on these very message boards I saw someone say there is nothing more boring than stories about being high, gambling, and one other thing I can’t recall and that rings pretty true. But people like jase have genuinely entertaining stories imo, for the most part nobody loving cares about how you only missed 1 number on a big scratcher or whatever.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Shumagorath posted:

Based on your retelling of the card game robbery I think you have exactly the right personality for betting on MMA and probably fighting it. Most people get too emotional and do stuff like bet on Mark Coleman well into his 40's and having to piss clean.

I was #1 on some Facebook MMA no-money betting app back when the site still had that kind of functionality, and I still knew better than to put real money into it even after I went 9/10 with 7 called finishes and rounds one night.

How does it work if a fighter wins or loses and then gets caught with dirty piss? Are wins deducted from the winners/reimbursed to losers?

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Shumagorath posted:

One time I thought I saw the McDonald's Monopoly Boardwalk sticker buried in urinal ice, and decided that the shot at a million dollars wasn't worth it being another Park Place and having to live with myself.

Losses remain losses while wins are changed to No Contest. Previously the fighter would be fined some percentage of their purse which would go to the other fighter and/or the commission, but now with the UFC bringing in USADA they also face a ban from USADA-sanctioned competition that doubles for each infraction. You can fly over to East Asia and fight while under suspension but good luck getting reinstated.

Some of that might be a mix of old and new because I haven't read the rules in a long time, but getting caught doping is severely career-limiting now for everyone but Jon Jones.

Edit: I realise you might have been asking about the betting system and I don't think any changes were ever made for doping.

This is definitely interesting but yeah I was wondering what happens to the people gambling on a match. I agree the most reasonable answer is “get hosed idiots” to everyone, especially if they’re betting with a real life bookie.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Shumagorath posted:

Regular online gaming has problems with smurfing so it doesn't surprise me that services with actual money have it way worse.

The only reason to smurf would be to throw people using poker HUDs off so they can’t track your play style. Otherwise you can select your tables and even follow the fish around table to table. Bovada is the only site I know of where you can’t choose tables anymore.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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I’ve no clue how to play Craps so this and more stories please

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Earth Table posted:

Also I would appreciate any gambling movies yall would recommend.

Rounders is a really silly film but its a lot of fun.

Hold em really lends itself well to the screen because of all of the tense moments and dramatic reveals that ensue. Makes Casino Royale a solid movie as well.

This is a weird post to me because I just watched Rounders last night. Nice to see Edward norton(has he been in any recent movies?) but yeah, silly movie.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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E: yeah above poster is correct. Not gonna contribute to a derail.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Grem posted:

I made some cash on a weird side job so I had like $300 to blow, decided to go to Blackhawk in Colorado and lasted a long loving time with that money, like, almost a year. All playing craps. It's all gone now but it was fun.

Some questions:

Do dealers exclusively date dealers? I heard the dealers talk so much about who was dating who and married to who and it was always other dealers. It was really bizarre.

What's the most aggressive roll you've seen? I saw a dude a few times that would take a running start at the table, hit his big rear end belly against the table and toss the dice. Besides all the wind up it ended up like any other dice roll. He was told to stop because he was moving the table and the cameras were specifically set up to look at certain things I guess.

How much to waitresses make? That looks like a good loving gig, they get tips like a motherfucker.

I don’t know much but people in service gigs are usually friends with people in similar jobs. All my bartender/restaurant friends date other bartenders/servers it is kinda strange.

Also I know a guy who deals at that casino

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Pekinduck posted:

The prizes being junk? Its not just the arcade being cheap, its actually what makes the whole affair legally not gambling. States have an exemption carved out that allows prizes for game playing if the prize has a very low monetary value. Here's Florida's:


Its popularly called the chuck-e-cheese loophole.

Lol that’s hilarious.

My states laws must be somewhat different because my friend won a bike at the arcade when we were kids

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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drat sitting at 2/5 with only $200 is a risky fuckin move lol, glad it worked out for you in such a funny way tho.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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I dropped like two racks of chips once on the hard tiled floor of the food area it was super embarrassing lol. I got to a table and everyone’s like “oh its the guy who spilled all of his chips” making me look like a total noob idiot

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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BrigadierSensible posted:

Sorry, I don't play much poker.

But isn't looking like a total noob idiot an advantage if you are, (as I assume you are), actually good?

Or do you want people to think you are a better player than you actually are so that they fold against you?

Again, sorry if these are stupid questions.

Haha no you’re definitely right, having that sort of image is usually a good thing, i was just embarrassed 😩

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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There’s a poker thread in the traditional games sub forum

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Did anybody else see that ridiculous parlay from a couple months ago where somebody bet on every NFL game that week and was correct on all with only the Monday night game to go? Online sports books are shady but the person stood to win a TON on like a $2 bet, I don’t remember exactly how much but pretty sure it was 6 figures. If it were a real casino that guaranteed a payout I would have hedged that bet like crazy and put everything I could on the opposite team of the original bet. The person wound up losing on the MNF game lol.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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My goodness that’s ripe for degenerates

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Anybody got some baccarat stories or knowledge? Couple poker pros have recently been caught “edge sorting” and losing millions because the casinos caught em I believe. I’ve never played the game myself but I have been told by a ton of people that it’s like the most swingy game out there. Just imagine running up like 20 million and then losing a lawsuit to the casino lol.

I don’t really know how edge sorting works besides spotting misprints on the cards, honestly doesn’t seem like it should be disallowed since the house is using the decks but that’s just me

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Oswald Kesselpot posted:

Th casinos were pretty stupid there. Phil Ivey took a known edge sorter into the casino, and then before he would gamble big money he demanded that specific decks be used, and then asked the dealers to display the cards in a very specific manner so the backs were visible. What exactly did they expect was going to happen?

From the little I know about it, (which isn’t a lot, just a couple articles and table talk from other players that know as little as I do) I don’t think it was cheating. The casino provided the cards, if a patron is able to distinguish what the face of a card is because the back is not standard then that’s on the casino, especially if they cater d to his strange requests before he would agree to play.

I didn’t know he had an accomplice, but yeah lol. Anyway I believe he lost when he tried to take them to court for his winnings so apparently a casino gently caress up is on the player?

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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The Dregs posted:

This thread inspired me to go looking for more weird degenerate gambler stuff. r/gambling provides some gems.



Lol I have a cracked phone screen, took forever to figure out what the hell the point of that picture was

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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JAMOOOL posted:

if he does this then they don't have an edge right?

tbh I'm still on the fence as to whether or not what he did was "cheating" or not. its like...in the NFL, when a player is tackled and deliberately places the ball 2 yards ahead of the spot he was tackled, is that cheating? everything Ivey did was legal.

anyway, speaking of pro players, degenerates, and pissing yourself, this is a fun story:

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/19851-antonio-esfandiari-dq-d-from-poker-tournament-for-peeing-in-a-bottle-under-the-table

here's how it starts

Lol. At least he won the prop bet in the end

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Techno Remix posted:

I’m not a big gambler but these stories make me sad we don’t get any of the fun games up here in MN. It’s slots, video poker, regular poker, and blackjack pretty much exclusively. I might have see some video roulette machines at Mystic but I haven’t been in a few years. We got horse racing though, which is always a guilty pleasure of mine. For $2 you get real invested in any one horse, and I’ve won a few long shot bets that put a few bucks in my pocket. It’d just be nice to go somewhere close for real roulette or craps, or a sportsbook or something.

Only real story I have is going to Wisconsin for a friend’s wedding a few years back and getting hit by a roulette ball walking through the casino the day after. I don’t know what happened exactly but I felt the hit and saw the little white ball thud at my feet. I picked it up and gave it to the sheepish-looking dealer who was walking over and that was it. I didn’t say it was a good story.

Yeah our options are real limited up here. They have some weird style baccarat up at running aces but I think it’s some simplified version. I didn’t get a chance to gently caress around with craps or roulette when I was in Vegas for work. Just spent all my free time at the poker tables but I kinda wish I had just for some dumb fun lol.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Techno Remix posted:

For all my fun of betting on the horses I’ve never actually been up to Running Aces, it’s all been at Canterbury. Canterbury’s poker room is nice. The last time my buddies and I went there we got one of the low stakes tables with a bunch of fat old drunk guys and they were awesome. Then some guy in shades came in and started dropping huge bets every pot to bully people off. Killed the buzz.

I did do a couple spins of roulette when I was in Vegas like a decade ago but after a couple spins the dealer swept someone’s winning bet off the table and they had to call a pit boss over so I got bored and wandered off. Much as I want to play craps I’m super intimidated by it and can’t seem to really get my head around it no matter how I try.


St. Croix Turtle Lake, if I remember right.

Yeah Canterbury is nice too. Honestly they are like exactly the same but aces has better food. I’ve tried to wrap my head around betting the horsies but that kind of gambling just makes no sense to me and I haven’t cared to learn lmao. It was fun to put $10 on a pretty much random horse and hoot and holler during the race to collect my $15 payout lol.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Heated gamer moment

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Please don’t start discussing the ethics of gambling. We know it’s a scourge. This is the thread for stories.

Edit: Bar gambling is fun. My first time playing live poker was a bar tournament, which I won. Got a $50 drink certificate written on a piece of receipt paper and me and my friends got a lotta shots that night. Sadly they got shut down because the entry fee was “buy one drink to play”. I still haven’t been able to find any other bar poker around here

My experienced friend kept coming to check my stack and would whisper “shove or fold” when I was under like 20bbs lol. It worked out.

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Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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jase1 posted:

First, let me clarify a few things.

Casinos give you free poo poo whether you are up or down as long as you are spending money the more you spend the more free stuff you get. If you are up a lot with that casino (which they will track with your card) you will tend to get more free poo poo so they can get you back into the casino and lose it. JaySb might be able to shed more light on that or if I am wrong please correct me. I can only go by my personal experiences with the casino in Cleveland.

Lifetime I am down in Craps, roulette and betting on sports how do I know this. I keep very detailed spreadsheets for my taxes. Plus there was a bet on football thread that had most of my football bets posted in it when I first started and I lost a poo poo ton of money. The MMA thread they named after me on this forum I would guess even after winning close to 30k a few times I might still be down I would have to look but you can track each bet in there. Poker I am up lifetime as of 2015, before that I was down since the first day I started playing. Granted I have been steadily going onto higher stakes so that has helped me get back to being up. Gambling on Pool I have never been down lifetime and most likely I never will be because the amount I play has been significantly reduced as I get older and most of my gambling now is on poker. I only dust off the pool stick when I feel like being a cocky rear end in a top hat. Since day one posting here I have always been honest about my winning and losing because honestly, I don't even care if I lose anymore it's just part of my regular life.

I have never played the slots or blackjack or any other game for that matter in a casino because I see absolutely no value in those other games. Craps and roulette is a big thrill for me because I love sweat.

I’ve read a thread or two of yours, and you say your uncle bankrolled you to get started, but I gotta ask do you come from money or did you have some sort of cushion? I lived off playing poker for like 8 months and it was the most stressful time of my life, but I might do it if I had a whole lot of money.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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jase1 posted:

Long story short is. Parents booted me when I was officially 18, they are terrible people and have proven over and over again they want no part of my life. They reappeared when I went through my bladder cancer scare a few years ago but proved once again they were pieces of poo poo. My uncle bankrolled me to start once I was on my own he taught me how to save money and also keep a bankroll and stuff for emergencies. When I got a bit older I worked for a small auto finance company. I had saved over 200k from shooting pool and just had it sitting in a money market account from and I bought the finance company from the owner looking to retire. After a few years I sold it to a New York company for over 7 figures and I retired at 40 and moved to Florida. Then in 2018 after almost drinking myself to death (I’m basically a functioning alcoholic) and the cancer scare I took out a sizable bank loan and bought a small marina and restaurant.

So while I have money it’s all started from my gambling. My money from my companies have never crossed into my gambling bankrolls. I refuse to let those 2 mix. I have a 200k bankroll right now and if it ever gets down to 100k I pull out the pool stick and get it back to 200k. Not once in my life have I ever touched a paycheck from any places I worked for gambling. That money goes into the bank and is strictly for bills and stuff like that. If my bankroll goes over 200k I take the extra and put it in other accounts for various things or I put it in the stock market. I also have 1, 5, and 10 year cds that I continually add money to every year and I will keep those going so at any point in my life I have money at the end of year I can get access to in case of any emergency. A lot of times I buy my wife stuff with my extra money from bankroll because she puts up with a lot of my poo poo. Sometimes I go on gambling binges for a few days and she knows I’m not coming home until I’m done. She puts up with a lot but at the same time she lives a pretty easy going life where money never matters. Plus she knows even if I lose I’m probably coming home with a bunch of cool stuff for her.

That’s cool thank you for sharing. Seems like a smart approach to gambling if you’re good. I was hanging by the skin of my teeth playing 2/5 for months(had a reasonable roll, but was taking everything above that as a paycheck). I wasn’t good enough to move up to 5/10, at the time it sucked but it was fun only “working” Thur-sat just wrecking drunk people.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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I am not much of a writer so I’ll just say my best poker room story was in Reno. Guy(bald) was getting pissed about the dude to my right taking his $5 pots. The guy on my right just kept slicking back his full head of hair at him until baldy jumped the table to try and fight. Casino security escorted baldy away until bringing him back like 10 minutes later when the guy immediately resumed taunting him lol. He tried to fight again, got escorted away along with his bully, they both came back after 5 minutes to keep gambling.

That was in the poker room at silver lodge or something like that, there was 2 tables going max that I saw even on a Saturday. They probably couldn’t afford to just chuck people out. This was a Friday

On Saturday a guy took $100 from me and bought me a massage. During that I doubled up off him, then I doubled up again 2 more times from him in an hour or two

Tetramin fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Jan 14, 2020

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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Anybody interested in live poker but hasn’t played much or is nervous about casinos should trawl through like meetup.com for local home games with low stakes. Like JAMOOL posted, my local group does .25/.50 with a $40 max buyin but the host provides cigars and scotch. It’s a fun rear end time, and the stakes are small enough to keep sharks away. Not to say the pots don’t get pretty big once everyone’s just having a good time

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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I do not think I’d like being on any psychedelic type drug stringer than weed in a casino

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Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

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He said he’s somehow able to go around to bars and shoot for drinks with somebody, but then it turns out the opponent has a huge bankroll and escalates bets? I’ve hung with a couple pool players and that has been what I’ve seen too but it usually tops out around $100. I’m sure there’s some high rollers willing to gamble big in my area and I just don’t know where they’re at.

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