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Smiling Knight
May 31, 2011

Binged the thread in the last two days (covid-19 free time), and something that came up in game but didn't seem to get discussed in the thread: the torn paper with the list of participants, their jobs, and the percentages.

I think that the percentages have got to be each person's odds of winning or surviving the game. That's consistent with the Professor being so low -- he is both off-putting and self-sacrificing, so no way he makes it. Same with Alice, as an obvious target for voting as a criminal. This is jives with the other names on the professor's page with low numbers being absent from the game -- as predicted by their odds, they died really early.

So, then, why do the creators of the game think that our Normal High School Girl protagonist has a 15.5% percent chance of winning, far higher than, for example, Keiji, who may not be a cop but who is a smart, physically fit adult? Obviously, the answer is that Sara is not a Normal High School Girl. My guess based on Keiji's infodump about Hades is that she is some sort of special Secret Crime Syndicate Heiress, but the game seems too grounded to pull a "skill at death games is genetic" kinda of trick.

Smiling Knight fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Mar 13, 2020

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Smiling Knight
May 31, 2011

I mean, the converse of the idea that Smiley bleeding proves that the masterminds can create bleeding robots is that because Smiley bleeds, she is not a robot. Similarly, the alleged AI could just be a script and some video editing. Not saying that everything has definitely been done without super AIs, just that there is a possibility that all the advanced tech could just be a big illusion.

Smiling Knight
May 31, 2011

If the doses are only enough to cumulatively kill someone, shouldn't it be possible for Qtaro and Gin to swap midway, saving both of them? Especially because Qtaro is such a huge guy, he should be able to take three, maybe four and live.

Smiling Knight
May 31, 2011

Mystic Mongol posted:

The proof is that they have the technology to completely reproduce humans, and the resources to build the hell tower. If you can do that, why bother running tests with the originals? Combined with the win rates, it just feels more likely they're all fake, not just a few of them.

Torture twenty humans to death, nine of which didn't make it out of the first room? What a waste. The kidnappers obviously cared about Sara specifically, and she could have easily died in the first room before they learned or taught her or whatever they're up to. The whole scheme makes more sense if they're being tested repeatedly, over and over, to learn as much as possible about... I dunno. How humans act under extreme stress. Under which conditions people ally with their enemies. Where the yakuza hid all their pirate gold.

They have mental health resources available so the subjects complete as many tests as possible, if the contestants weren't replaceable the first room wouldn't have killed so many of them.


Who's unable to lie? About "important stuff"? C'mon.

You raise some good points, but on the other hand this appears to be a once-in-a-lifetime big event, that would only make sense and have weight with real people. I think this is either a bizarre competition to determine the next crime boss, a high stakes gambling event, or an elaborate revenge plot -- in all three cases, the event only matters once the real people are involved. It's quite possible that the masterminds ran simulations of the event, or maybe, maybe full dry runs with dolls, but I think this batch is all real. Look forward to being quoted as totally wrong once all is revealed.

Smiling Knight
May 31, 2011

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Okay, how about it being chance to die instead, and showing Shin/Sou a 0% and letting them come to their own conclusion changes his behaviour sufficiently such that he then dies in this Main Game?

Wouldn't make sense with what we've seen -- the people with lower numbers are logically more likely to die and some already have. See Mishima, who is both weird/off-putting and loyal/self-sacrificing, and Joe, who is also devoted to another player.

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