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Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



The Expanse Season 4 Is here & Streaming on Amazon Prime now!

POSTING RULES
Since all of season 4 is being dumped on us at once binge rules are in effect!

Please post episode numbers followed by text wrapped in spoiler tags when discussing specific events in the show. Non-specific declarations of disgust and/or wonder can remain un-tagged as long as you don't reveal spoilers!

/!\ This is a TV-only Discussion. Please refrain from posting book spoilers! /!\



The Expanse For filthy newbie Wellwallahs: (no spoilers)

(A Legitimate Salvage from OPs on season 1-3. Many thanks to AlternateAccount & KatWithHand)

Preemptive TL;DR that is still too long:
The Expanse is a hard science fiction Opera on Amazon prime. "Hard" because of the dogged determination of the show to depict everything in the most scientifically accurate way possible, and "Opera" because it's actually really entertaining and occasionally moving without getting too bogged down in all that science stuff. It's a drat good show.

In fact, it's probably the best Sci-fi show on television since Battlestar Galactica before it face-planted during the writer's strike way back when. If you like Sci-fi, you will probably enjoy this. It's gotten a steadily rising tomato-meter score throughout the seasons, and currently sits at 100% for season 3. It has also won a bunch of science fiction awards. This show is awesome and good, and you should watch it.

Season 1 Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQuTAPWJxNo

The first handful of episodes are a bit of a slow burn as the series meticulously builds the setting and establishes characters, but it's not what I would consider "a slog" or even "a rocky start". At worst, you could fairly say that it might give the wrong impression about what the show eventually becomes. (It becomes . )

Nothing in the first few episodes is superfluous; There are no "filler" episodes. It's all there for a reason, and quite a lot of it will pay off later down the line.

It's often said by fans that if you are not on board by Season 1 episode 5, you probably won't ever be.
That said, this is a show that gradually improves as the seasons unfold. Sticking around is very rewarding, and most people who get get to that point end up loving the hell out of it.

When
Season 4 drops Friday Dec. 13th exclusively on Amazon Prime.

What is this?
A hard Sci-fi drama based on the Best-selling Expanse Series by James S.A. Corey (The non-de-plume of Daniel Abraham & Ty Franck) The series is 8 books in with various sub-novellas, so it is fully inoculated against Game of Thrones-itis.

Who made this?
Produced By Alcon Entertainment (Bladerunner 2049)
Distributed by Amazon Prime
Written by: Mark Fergus & Hawk Ostby (Children of men)
Daniel Abraham & Ty Franck (the writers of the Expanse Book Series)
Showrunner: Naren Shankar (writer for Star Trek:TNG & Farscape)
Musical Score by Clinton Shorter (District 9)

Starring
Steven Strait, Cas Anvar, Dominique Tipper, Wes Chatham, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Thomas Jane, Frankie Adams, Shawn Doyle, Cara Gee, Chad L. Coleman, Nick E. Tarabay, Terry Chen, Elizabeth Mitchell, David Strathairn, and Jared Harris.

The Expanse has easily one of the most diverse casts on television, but it's not really played up in any way. Since most of it happens in the asteroid belt, where a huge variety of ethnicities, cultures and languages swirl and mix together into a delicious human gumbo, diversity is inevitable. The cast reflects that.

Influences
The gritty working class science fiction of Alien and Outland, the Cyberpunk film Noir of Bladerunner, the political machinations of Game of Thrones and Battlestar. The Scientific accuracy of...nothing else really. It's in a class of it's own in that respect.

Does it look good?
Hell yeah. This show looks great. This is film-quality Sci-fi on tv. Everything from the costumes to the sets to the CGI space battles is top notch and focused down to minute details. It nearly bankrupted Syfy to the point where they nicknamed it "the Expense" and cancelled it. Luckily, it's been picked up by the richest Dr. Evil in the world and so it gets to continue looking like tens of millions of bucks in every episode. Which it does.


The Setting
Set some time 200-300 years in the future, humanity has colonized the solar system including Mars and the Asteroid belt, but divisions among humanity brought about by changes in physiology, environment, and colonial tensions have given rise to factions who now teeter on the brink of outright war. Into this volatile mix, a mysterious bio-weapon in introduced that could threaten everyone in the solar system with gooey blue death.

The Places/Factions


Earth - Earth is a comfy place to exist, comparatively. Currently inhabited by approximately 30 billion citizens, the vast majority of which depend on basic government assistance for all material needs and do not work. A job is a rare and precious commodity. Led by the UN.


Mars - Former Earth colony, now independent and with a population of approximately 9 billion. An escalation of aggression that took place before the series led to Martian independence and tensions are reduced, but ongoing. Mars is still mostly uninhabitable, but a decades long plan for terraforming the planet into an unspoiled, Earth-like habitat is underway. Mars has a very strong economic and scientific presence in the system.


The Belt/OPA - The asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, with major settlements on Ceres and Eros. Somewhere between 50-100 million total belters, spread across many stations and asteroids. Ceres is the the largest population center in the system behind Mars with about 6 million inhabitants. The belt is mined heavily for raw materials to support ease-of-life on Earth and ongoing terraforming efforts on Mars. Living conditions are generally terrible and the belters typically feel that they are abused and taken advantage of by Earth and Mars alike. The OPA(Outer Planets Alliance) is a semi-terrorist organization that seeks Belter independence and self-governance. Due to gravitational differences, people raised in the Belt tend to be tall and very slender, and they are unable to function in stronger gravity wells, like Earth's. The low gravity requires a cocktail of drugs to ward off developmental issues when growing up.

Each have different cultures and in the case of the Belters, a unique dialect created by many languages mixing into a linguistic stew. Don't worry about not understanding the Belter Creole at first, no one does. Turning on captions/subtitles can help in the beginning.

The story
At first, centering around a rag-tag group of long haul Ice haulers for the Pur'n'Kleen water company, who are thrust into an escalating series situations where they are pretty much hosed at all times.

Other plot-lines include:
Deputy undersecretary of the UN Avasarala navigating the backstabbing political machinations on Earth in a series of stunning wardrobe choices.

Miller, a world-weary film noir detective doggedly trying to solve a mystery on Ceres, the largest city-station in the asteroid belt.

All of these plot-lines intersect and cross-pollinate. As the show goes on the cast, as well as the setting, expands into new dimensions of scale, introducing new characters and factions along the way.


The characters
Like Game of Thrones, the characters of the various factions are presented in moral shades of grey. No character or faction is fully evil or good, actions are well motivated and understandable. There are always consequences to every action, no matter how well-intentioned, and the show loves to confront/torture its characters with them just when you think they got away with it.

Characters in the expanse are complicated, though they might initially appear not to be. They have a tendency to develop and change as they travel along their story arcs, which are often very long.

If you don't like a character initially, stick around, because they are certain to grow and change. It's not uncommon for watchers of the show to initially hate a character only for that character to become a fan favorite later down the line.

That is, if they don't get murdered by space or other people first. That can, and does, happen too.


Science!
The Expanse is Sci-Fi on Nightmare mode, at least for the people who make it. Watching it is much easier for us couch potatoes. Some things might still require a bit of explanation, although you can enjoy the show without worrying about it too much.

There are no "inertial dampeners" on the Expanse, no Shields, no warp drives, and a minimum of hand-wavey nonsense.

How Do They Eat or Breathe? Any Other Science Facts?
- The invention of the Epstein Drive means that ships no longer take lengthy circuitous fuel-sipping routes from place to place. Now they accelerate constantly in a mostly linear fashion straight toward the objective, then flip around and burn to decelerate the rest of the way. Travel between places in the show takes a few months at worst instead of years.
- Weaponry tends to be still projectile based. Torpedoes, railguns, and plain old bullets.
- Stealth tech is a thing, or at least, passive, stationary stealth is. It's hard to hide when you've got a giant column of fire shooting out of the back of your ship.
- Gravity is simulated through acceleration/deceleration on ships and via spinning stations with people walking on the outer edge of rings with their heads toward the center. Gravity is still much lower outside of Earth, for example it's only about 0.3G on Ceres. Moving between gravitation levels can be hard on people accustomed to higher or lower gravity conditions.
- Good coffee is hard to find.
- The show is generally very highly praised for its adherence to science. Newton's laws are in full effect. (With one notable exception.)

That being said, the show never gets bogged down in long expository monologues about technical specifications of spaceships or they physics and biology of living in a place where the vaccuum of space is trying to kill you 100% of the time. It's really more of a show-don't-tell affair, and this is, at its core, a story about humanity. Stuff is explained when it makes sense for the characters to explain it, and the challenges of the environment are shown as the characters are challenged by them, for the most part.

The conventions built on real science in the Expanse bring forth a wealth of thrilling new situations for the characters to try to not get killed by. I guarantee you are going to see stuff here that you've never seen in any other sci-fi show or movie. It's not an exaggeration to say that The Expanse is pushing a new frontier for the genre.

There's a good reason Fans of this show were rabid enough to save it from certain cancellation death using a series of outlandish tactics.

It's because the Expanse is not only the finest Science fiction show currently being broadcast, but perhaps among the best shows, period. The emotional depth of the characters and situations is palpable and moving. The situations they find themselves in are novel, thrilling, and unpredictable. It's packed full of topical commentary on our current socio-political situation, but it's just removed enough in its far-flung future setting for us to engage the ideas without preconceived bias.

Best of all, the cast and crew of the Expanse clearly love making it, and they clearly love each other to bits as well. That's the secret ingredient here. It's not perfect, but To paraphrase Alex Kamal from the show: "The Expanse might not be real, but the love that went into it is."

Go watch it.


The thread will contain SPOILERS for Seasons 1-3 Below! Go catch up before reading past this point.

The Expanse for SÚsata & Beratna Beltalowda (Beard Edition)




/!\ This is a TV-only Discussion. Please refrain from posting book spoilers! /!\




What happened in Season 1: In Season 1, the disappearance of rich-girl-turned-political-activist Julie Mao linked the lives of Ceres' detective Joe Miller (Thomas Jane), accidental ship captain James Holden (Steven Strait) and U.N. politician Chrisjen Avasarala (Shohreh Aghdashloo). Amidst political tension between Earth, Mars and the Asteroid Belt, these three individuals unravel the single greatest conspiracy of all time.

What happened in Season 2: The Protomolecule has taken over Eros and threatens the safety of the entire solar system. From there, the larger conspiracy to control the protomolecule is further unraveled, as the crew of the Rocinante, UN Undersecretary Avasarala and Martian solider Bobbie Draper attempt to prevent system wide war AND stop a mysterious new creature.

What happened in Season 3: As the war between Earth and Mars ignites across the solar system, the terrifying next phase in the evolution of the protomolecule threatens the very existence of humanity. Caught in the middle, the Rocinante crew struggles to deal with tensions amongst themselves.

The Characters


James Holden
S1: Former almost-XO of the now-destroyed Canterbury. Earther. Now de-facto captain of the stolen Martian frigate Tachi, re-christened Rocinante. Has an overdeveloped sense of responsibility, which may have been permanently triggered by guilt due to being the roundabout cause of the Canterbury's destruction.
S2: Got very, very Ahab-ish in his quest to destroy the humanoid Protomolecule creature and eradicate all remaining samples from the solar system.
S3: Gained a proto-Miller hallucination who rides around in his brain. Had a crazy psychic vision on the ring station. Saw a...something in the space between ring-gate and our solar system.
Probably needs extensive therapy.

, alternatively
Josephus Miller
S1: Former Star Helix(private police) officer on Ceres. Belter. A bit of a washout-waste of a cop who's working with a newly discovered strength of conscience. Became slightly obsessed with discovering the fate of Julie Mao, to the point of inadvertent career suicide, burning his goodwill with the OPA and leaving Ceres to inadvertently link up with Holden's crew. Now that he's learned the fate of Julie, he's searching for those responsible for the Eros disaster and bring them to something approximating justice. The hat may very well be gone for good.
S2: Ended up riding Eros all the way into Venus after talking Julie Mao into directing it there instead of Earth with the power of LOVE. May or may not be the first and only person to have banged a human/asteroid hybrid. No sign of him since the Venusian impact.
S3: Returned as a Ring gate created hallucination appearing only to Holden, calling himself the Investigator, and wearing a hat that Holden has never seen. He ain't exactly dead, but he ain't exactly Miller either.


Naomi Nagata
S1: Former Canterbury engineer, particularly overqualified and brilliant at her job. Belter. Has a vaguely defined past of working with/for the OPA and doing things she regrets. Seems to be becoming the emotional anchor for the Rocinante, keeping everything grounded and mediating internal disputes.
S2: Lots of tension between her deeply ingrained Belter loyalties and loyalty to Holden. Secretly stashed a sample of Protomolecule that she was tasked with destroying, and later gave it to Fred Johnson. She confessed this to Holden, and that's likely to be a Big Time Problem.
S3: Persona Non-Grata on the Roci for the first half of the Season as she clashes with the rest of the crew after betraying them by giving Fred Johnson the Protomolecule sample. By the mid-season things are smoothed over with Holden and Alex at least, but she decides that it's time to rejoin her Belter comrades on the Behemoth for the voyage to the Ring Gate. Eventually decides that her nostalgia led her to the wrong place, and returns to her Roci family, where she is finally forgiven for her transgressions. Crushed Diogo's rear end to dust using an elevator.


Alex Kamal
S1: Former pilot of the Canterbury, now pilot of the Rocinante. Martian. Retired low-level pilot for the Martian Navy. Alex is more emotionally affected and sympathetic by the events on Eros, and seems to be a terrible drinking buddy.
S2: Still piloting, still pretty awesome.
S3:Still Piloting, Still cooking space Lasagna, now divorced. Still awesome.


Amos Burton
S1: Former mechanic on the Canterbury, now mechanic/meatbus on the Rocinante. Earther. Amos has a very... direct and simple view of the world free of pesky things like abstract morality or conscience. He looks to Naomi for guidance, she's basically his external compass for right/wrong and he defers to her almost completely.
S2: Still punching things, still pretty awesome.
S3: Gained a best friend in the whole world and upgraded to pastor for a moral compass. Still that guy, but even more so.

The above characters all fly together on the Rocinante and form the core of the show.


Other characters:


Chrisjen Avasarala
S1: Deputy Undersecretary of the UN, the UN runs Earth. A shrewd and adept politician with a demonstrated propensity for "winning" at high cost, Chrisjen realizes that Mars and Earth are being manipulated into war and is working her own resources to find out who is responsible and prevent it.
S2: After figuring out a lot of what was going on via good detective work, accepted an invitation from Jules-Pierre Mao to meet and get some answers, while protected by Bobbie Draper. Ended up nearly murdered for her trouble in a power play by Errinwright.
S3:After escaping Mao's Ship with Bobby, she teams up with the Roci crew to investigate Io. With some damning video salvaged from Mao's comms buffer sent to Anna, she brings Errinwright down remotely while also finally bringing Mao to heel at Io. She returns to Earth to become the secretary general of the UN after the resignation of Sorrento-Gillis.



Bobbie Draper
S1: Martian armored commando.
S2: Former Martian supremacist, after being attacked along with her squad by a Protomolecule monster and being the only survivor, became a valuable witness but was roundly dismissed by just about everyone, except perhaps Avasarala. Became totally disillusioned with her own government and has become basically attached to Avasarala.
S3: Escaped With Avasarala from Mao's ship and joined the Roci crew for the assault on IO. Defeated a hybrid monster after an extended battle. Rejoined the MMC only to have her entire squad get killed again. Back on the Roci at the end of the season after surviving a bullet to the gut. Probably not trusted by Mars with any more power armor squads.


Praxidike Meng
S2: Survivor of the attack on Ganymede Station. Gained a bitching headscar, but lost his daughter. His daughter was a patient of a doctor related to Protomolecule research also sought by the crew of the Rocinante, so they link up to find him.
S3:Rescued his daughter from the cluches of Mao's hosed up child hybrid experiment. Went back to Ganymede to help repair the damage there, leaving Amos all alone.


Cotyar Ghazi
Avasarala's sardonic Spy.
S3: Dead. Exploded the Protomolecule infested UNN Agatha King by overloading the reactor. Went out like a fuckin' G.
"Detonation should occur in ... how the gently caress should I know, I'm not an engineer - let's call it "soon"
Well, Charanpal, I guess that makes us even. I...uh, I always thought I'd have something clever to say in this moment. Something...pithy, maybe even a little ironic...but memorable. I can't think of a loving thing...Oh well."


Clarissa Mao aka Melba Koh
Juliette Mao's Sister who has serious Daddy issues and sibling rivalry leading to mass-murder on a misguided quest for revenge against Holden. Disguised herself as an electrician to get on the UN ring fleet.
S3: Framed the poo poo out of Holden and nearly got him killed by everyone. Killed the poo poo out of a bunch of people using illegal endocrine implant super strength and explosives. Nearly killed Naomi in a Mech suit, but was defeated by Anna with a shock baton out of frikkin' nowhere. Later had a change of heart and decided to save the entire solar system. Probably going to jail for killing all those people regardless.


Pastor Anna Volovodov
A gay Pastor and Ex-speechwriter for Sorrento-Gillis press-ganged into writing speeches for him in exchange for funding for her clinic for undocumenteds (those living off the grid and not on Basic)
S3: After being used and betrayed by Errinwright and Sorrento-Gillis to justify a Solar-system wide war, she strikes back at Errinwright by exposing his traitorous plot using the Comms buffer sent by Avasarala. Goes through the ring gate and realizes she has made a terrible mistake. Connects in a sweet way with Amos. Convinces the Fleet to shut down their Fusion engines in order stop the ring station from turning everyone into red mist. Likely handcuffed to the clinic by her wife back on earth, who seemed a bit upset by her reckless adventure seeking.


Fred Johnson
S1: Former UN military commander who was held responsible for the murder of belters rioting on Anderson station while they were trying to surrender. Left the Earth military to run Tycho Station in the belt and is now a higher level member of the OPA. Also working on building the Nauvoo for the Mormons(?!) Was instrumental in Julie Mao's fate, as he was her OPA contact who sent her after the ship containing the protomolecule.
S2: Managed to use the Earth's attempt to fire hundreds of nukes to destroy Eros as an opportunity to steal quite a few as a bargaining chip, defending them against a coup by the OPA led by Anderson Dawes.
S3: Sent Drummer to salvage and re-fit the Navoo as a warship for the belt. Saved Mars by blowing up the Hybrid pods with Nukes stolen from earth. Likely getting Sued out the rear end by angry Mormons.


Camina Drummer
The belt's greatest badass and Captain of the Behemoth. Loves Naomi and hates Holden's guts.
S3: Captures the Navoo and re-christens it the Behemoth as a warship of the belt. Gives a barnstormer of a speech during the belter transversal through the ring. During the slow-zone disaster, got her spine seriously crushed by a Mormon space tractor during a touching bonding moment with Ashford, who she had an antagonistic relationship with up to that point. Bounced back back quickly using a pair of robot legs because "screw you massive spinal injury, you're not the bossmang of me!"
Nearly blew herself up saving Naomi and Holden from a power suit wearing Diogo, only to be saved at the last moment by a well aimed elevator.


Klaes Ashford
Second in command on the Behemoth, A weathered OPA Pirate parachuted in by Dawes seemingly to undermine Drummer.
S3:Took command Of the Behemoth after Drummer's injury. Got off to a good start by saving hundreds of injured people with the Behemoths' spin gravity, but kind of messed it up later on by trying to laser the ring to death & nearly getting all of humanity blown up. Thwarted at the last moment by Clarissa Mao.

last seen apparently working poo poo out with Drummer with the aid of booze in Mormon sundae glasses. As is no doubt the custom for that sort of reconciliation.



I am going to avoid listing any of the new Season 4 characters until they show up. At least one of them kinda sorta might be a spoiler in a way? Maybe? But certainly several new characters from the books will be arriving this season.


By the end of Season 1
, Julie was dead and Eros's citizens had been rounded up into shelters, dosed with the protomolecule, and then bombarded by tremendous doses of radiation to feed it and accelerate its evolution. Monitoring equipment has been set up to document the effects, and while our heroes have identified particular individuals as responsible, the master architects behind the plan and the objective are still unknown.
Miller had met up/teamed up with the crew of the Rocinante to escape Eros. Miller and Holden have been hit with enough radiation to become night lights.
Amos killed an old friend of Miller's who tried to get them to leave on the Rocinante before Holden and Miller arrived.
Now the Rocinante is returning to Tycho station to report to Fred Johnson and enlist help in raiding the station to where the Eros perpetrators have fled.

By the end of Season 2, Eros had smashed into Venus and commenced construction of SOMETHING only barely glimpsed. A ship entering Venus's atmosphere for a closer look was summarily disassembled midair by an unseen force.
The Rocinante managed to finally kill the Protomolecule monster, but others may exist. They also tracked and nearly rescued Meng's daughter in the secret research facility on Ganymede, but some of the perpetrators escaped with her. She's shown to be alive.
On Earth, Errinwright is definitely moving to consolidate power, after murdering the Martian Defense Minister and trying to kill Avasarala. Not entirely sure what his endgame is.
Fred Johnson has the only (known) protomolecule sample AND a stable full of Earth's nuclear missiles.

By the end of Season 3,
Prax's Daughter was rescued from Mao's hybrid experiments on Io. Mao was captured and brought to heel by Avasarala. Errinwright's Schemes are revealed by Anna and he is arrested for treason. The mysterious Protomolecule Structure Launches Itself from Venus as a huge bio-mechanical jellyfish-thing and re-forms as a giant Ring just beyond Uranus. Everyone Goes through the ring with varying degrees of success and then get immediately clobbered by The Ring station's autonomous defense system. After deactivating the ring station's defense system and freeing the fleet, 1300 ring gates are opened up in the ring-space leading to a bounty of new and unexplored solar systems. Humanity is sure to take advantage of this golden opportunity and not gently caress it up in any way by being greedy short sighted assholes.

The cat recap for Season 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivej0OW7WZk

Season 4 Trailers & teasers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNIim3xqsEU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEENk6_XFoA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jc76QrX5Vg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFdzpVt5rbk

Kevin Smith Recaps seasons 1-3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP0vvN9irdA

Full Belter Highway Star!

Rocksicles posted:

You all deserve to hear this again. get on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyGIJl1XUA



/!\ This post is a work in progress. Stuff will added and removed as I work to clean it up. Feel free to point out were I have hosed everything up. /!\

POSTING RULES
Since all of season 4 is being dumped on us at once, binge rules are in effect!

Please post episode numbers followed by text wrapped in spoiler tags when discussing specific events in the show. Non-specific declarations of disgust and/or wonder can remain un-tagged as long as you don't reveal spoilers!


/!\ Please be cool about book stuff. /!\
Keep it in its own thread. If a singular, unconnected event has occurred in the show, let's be cool about discussing how it was different in the book. Don't discuss poo poo that could possibly spoiler future events. It's not that hard.

If you think it's even POSSIBLE it might ruin something coming up, shut the gently caress up with that poo poo. Thanks, beratna.

Svaha fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Dec 13, 2019

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Sankara
Jul 18, 2008




I'm so excited! It's so nice having a cool sci-fi show again. I miss watching Farscape live. i am so old

T-man
Aug 22, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 29 days!


Do you think the Captain smokes weed? I know he's always Hold'en.

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



Ok so newbie question time even though I've been here for well over a decade. How exactly do I upload images when editing an existing post with Plat?

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





Svaha posted:

Ok so newbie question time even though I've been here for well over a decade. How exactly do I upload images when editing an existing post with Plat?



This isn't possible. You're just gonna have to get imgur to work.

Edit: Also imagine not mentioning that the hat is back in Miller's S3 description.

pik_d fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Dec 12, 2019

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



pik_d posted:

This isn't possible. You're just gonna have to get imgur to work.

Edit: Also imagine not mentioning that the hat is back in Miller's S3 description.
Oh well. Money well spent on Lowtax's spine. Hat issue fixed.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlBTbmKPwKc

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009



Looking forward to it! Though I keep hearing that this is the worst part of the books, so I hope that they can do something new with it. Last season was killer and I was so bummed when it was cancelled, so... thanks Jeff.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


Hakkesshu posted:

Looking forward to it! Though I keep hearing that this is the worst part of the books, so I hope that they can do something new with it. Last season was killer and I was so bummed when it was cancelled, so... thanks Jeff.

It gets a bad rep, It's still a good book.

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



Hakkesshu posted:

Looking forward to it! Though I keep hearing that this is the worst part of the books, so I hope that they can do something new with it. Last season was killer and I was so bummed when it was cancelled, so... thanks Jeff.

The problems with the book mostly stemmed from it being as sort of "bottle episode" where there was little-to no mention of anything outside of what the main characters were doing. It was a jarring tonal shift from the previous three books for a lot of people.

That is clearly not happening with this season, as the trailers show the usual location and pov jumps between characters. There were also some problematic characters as well, which I'm confident the writer's room have fixed, as they are well aware of the issues.

The story is actually pretty great. I liked it anyway.

Svaha fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Dec 12, 2019

the_enduser
May 1, 2006

[CENSORED]
(Content Violation)



Yeah book 4 was great. Love what they're doing in the series too though.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...



Pork Pro

Oh man I hope this drops tonight because I have tomorrow off and oh lawd I'm going to stay up all night aren't I?

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007




Hakkesshu posted:

Looking forward to it! Though I keep hearing that this is the worst part of the books, so I hope that they can do something new with it. Last season was killer and I was so bummed when it was cancelled, so... thanks Jeff.
The problems with the book could easily be fixed, and from the other things they tweaked from the books the writers seem to have a good sense for how to fix things.

So don't worry about any negativity about the book. The story this season is gonna be awesome.

bou
Aug 3, 2006



Thank you for that great OP, OP!
The inclusion of Cotyar warms by spacecold heart!

This might be my first Series i would actually stay up to binge immediately. Any word when exactly it will be available on Prime (in :Germany:)?

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!



Apparently this is out in Japan already and I've read some successes with using a VPN but haven't gotten any answers as to which one Amazon plays nice with.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef


Tiniest of corrections: the ice-hauling company is Pur'n'Kleen

Edit: maybe expand "stealth tech is a thing" to specify that we're talking about radar-absorbing materials, not cloaking devices.

Toast Museum fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Dec 12, 2019

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

My expanse LP is getting here tomorrow. I can't wait to finally hear the full versions of those belter songs.

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



Toast Museum posted:

Tiniest of corrections: the ice-hauling company is Pur'n'Kleen

Edit: maybe expand "stealth tech is a thing" to specify that we're talking about radar-absorbing materials, not cloaking devices.

Fixed, although I didn't get into the weeds with the radar and heat absorption stuff. I'm trying to avoid too much science explanation, as a previous draft of the OP spiraled out of control because of it.

bou posted:

Thank you for that great OP, OP!
The inclusion of Cotyar warms by spacecold heart!

This might be my first Series i would actually stay up to binge immediately. Any word when exactly it will be available on Prime (in :Germany:)?
Thanks man.

The rumor is that it will be up worldwide at midnight GMT Dec.13th , although I've been told that previous amazon releases have showed up both earlier and later, so

Cojawfee posted:

My expanse LP is getting here tomorrow. I can't wait to finally hear the full versions of those belter songs.
Cool. Are those tracks only available on the LP?

Svaha fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 12, 2019

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Svaha posted:

The rumor is that it will be up worldwide at midnight GMT Dec.13th , although I've been told that previous amazon releases have showed up both earlier and later, so
I'm heading to the nightshift today from 10pm-6am GMT+1. I sure hope the production runs today are long and slow, so they can run unattended.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Svaha posted:

Fixed, although I didn't get into the weeds with the radar and heat absorption stuff. I'm trying to avoid too much science explanation, as a previous draft of the OP spiraled out of control because of it.

Thanks man.

The rumor is that it will be up worldwide at midnight GMT Dec.13th , although I've been told that previous amazon releases have showed up both earlier and later, so

Cool. Are those tracks only available on the LP?

I'm not sure. Amazon usually does an auto rip thing where it adds the album to your library in amazon music and you can download it, but that doesn't seem to be the case for this so far. Maybe they could only get the rights to sell the covers in this limited release. In any case, I'm sure the songs will make their way to the internet one way or another.

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003



IMDB has spoiled every episode of season 4 with its summaries, so don't go there if you don't want spoilers.

johnsonrod
Oct 25, 2004



It's so close!!!

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013


Does this go all up at once at midnight?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?




Midnight Pacific I think.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





It's up for me now

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007




Man, shows that dump all at once are a bummer for discussion. I really like hearing people's thoughts but I'm gonna have to just ignore this thread until sometime next week when I have time to finish binging it myself.

What's the spoiler tag policy? Are people going to be freely talking about the final episode tomorrow morning?

Caseman
Mar 21, 2006

OONTZ stomp OONTZ stomp OONTZ stomp OONTZ stomp

New opening credits are pretty

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



I've got a play button for the first episode, but no episode listing. Clicking play spits out an error.

Maybe it's getting hammered

E; I'm EST

Svaha fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Dec 13, 2019

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

He will be injured, but in the World Series he will be raised from the DL. And the Indians were filled with grief.




pik_d posted:

It's up for me now

Yeah, it's up for me too in the CST.

Looks like my only question is: will I stop watching around midnight and go to bed like a normal person or will I end up staying up until like 4am to watch the entire season at once.

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013


So rule for all episode discussion is putting a warning for the episode number and then spoiler tags of the content?

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



Thom12255 posted:

So rule for all episode discussion is putting a warning for the episode number and then spoiler tags of the content?

Yeah, sounds like a plan. I'll add it to the OP.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


Seriously, the Bruins game just started. Between the hockey, The mando and this i'm in 3 worlds right now.

bou
Aug 3, 2006



It's on!
New Intro is gorgeous.
See you in the slow zone!

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?




Of course, right before I have to go to work all night. Oh well.

Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



Working for me in the EST! Here weeee Goooooooooo!

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...



Pork Pro

US IS GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Caseman
Mar 21, 2006

OONTZ stomp OONTZ stomp OONTZ stomp OONTZ stomp

After one episode all I can say is
Oh my goodness, YES.

Episode 2
it reaches out

Caseman fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Dec 13, 2019

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Only seen the first episode. Top notch swearing from Chrisjen.

Dancer
May 23, 2011

Fly me away on the wings of an angel.




Combat Pretzel posted:

Only seen the first episode. Top notch swearing from Chrisjen.

That's my grrl .

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Svaha
Oct 4, 2005



Holy crap. it already looked good before, but this season is looking gorgeous
Nice gentle transitions between the 16:9 and the super wide aspect ratios too.

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