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Grand Fromage posted:I really do not think they're going to change the whole series to write out a main character instead of just recasting him. They recast Arjun and he is a very minor character by comparison. Recasted Arjun kinda sucked though,and majorly impacted the season, even for a minor character. I just did not feel any real connection between Arjun and Chrisjen in Season 4, when their love is one of the best parts of Avasarala's characterization. You could argue that was part of the whole point, with her losing that personal connection as part of her losing connection with her ideals in favour of the electoral politic game. But it just made it fall flat to me. McSpanky posted:Look at the face she makes after biting into one. It doesn't say good things for the state of Martian cuisine. I mean, it is being made by the personal chef of one of the richest people in the system - it might just be a really good goddamn sandwich. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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etalian posted:Plus the whole bit how Amos was told it would be "Open season" if he ever decided return back to Neo-Baltimore. Actually, rewatching that scene, Erich tells Amos "Next time you go up the well, don't come back". Amos hasn't gone up the well yet, so he's perfectly in his rights to come back to Baltimore.
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Azhais posted:In reality they probably should. Generations of .4g isn't gonna do their skeleton any favors either I mean, I don't think we necessarily know that all of the Ring planets are at 1 g (actually, I think Ilus was above 1 g). There could be hundreds of planets in the 0.6 to 0.8 range that might be relatively easy or at least possible for someone raised on Mars to adapt to.
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Phi230 posted:Here's one thing ppl missed: Shipbuilding, transportation, ship repairs, gas stations/rest stops for transport crews, zero-g manufacturing... there's still going to be plenty of need for workers on the float even without resource extraction, and Belters are going to be naturally adept to it over people born in a gravity well. Now, is that enough to sustain the current number of Belters, and what that means for the economic future of them? Who knows, but it's not like space will be devoid of people once the Ring planets are settled. Also, without Mars stripping all the water ice from the belt/rings of Saturn for terraforming purposes, the Belters can make their own water, food, and air (mostly - there are still things they would need from Earth/Earth-like planets).
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Zzulu posted:There's always been plenty of things to do for belters For sure, the Belter's definitely need some form of the OPA to serve to unite their political and economic interests against oppression. I just think there is a potential future where there is both extensive Ring planet settlement and an economically viable Belt (though maybe Belt is the wrong term - once enough planets are settled, there isn't going to be much focus on the actual Belt, but more around Medina Station).
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VagueRant posted:Episode was a bit off to me all around. Not bad, but like every scene had something weird or shabby about it. I'm sadly in agreement - the Amos and Peaches journey was super abrupt. I thought they did a good job before with the snow, the aid relief station, the prepper, etc, but this week they just sort of teleported over to Baltimore right to Erich's building. His building is stocked up with aid supplies, but there's no context given... was it meant to be stolen? Is he hoarding it? Or is Erich pulling a deal, making sure his tower/people are taken care of and distributing to parts of Baltimore? They talk about entire neighbourhoods washed away, but there's only one establishing shot, and it didn't really convey that impression (at least on a single watch). I know it's a TV drama thing, but they convince Erich to give up on Baltimore super fast. If they had the time, they should have shown something happening to make that change of heart - maybe a food riot where Erich and his goons end up killing some of his own people? Instead, Clarissa gives one TV monologue and bam, Erich is ready to leave it all behind. Also, the first part of Amos' Baltimore arc this season ended up trying to make sure that the old guy had a place to stay. You'd think for symmetry Amos/Peaches could have tried to find him, only to see the place essentially destroyed/looted/burned/whatever. That would have both given a closure to the storyline and given them a chance to show the destruction. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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PriorMarcus posted:They at least should of had the half constructed building visibly damaged by the blast. As it is its hard to see any major changes in the episode without the two being presented side by side like that. Yeah - looking at the stills you can see the significant damage, but (at least to me) it wasn't very obvious during the actual shot. Partially because Baltimore was already sort of shown as a flooded lovely town. However, there probably hasn't quite been enough time for the full scale of the disaster to become apparent. This is speculation, but I feel it's probably only been a week, maybe two since the rocks hit. Amos/Peaches spent maybe a couple of days on foot before hitting the prepper camp, and have had electric bikes since then, which they seem to get a pretty good pace on. I think the show will have a good chance to really show the impact through Avasarala and the cabinet, and they sort of hit on that a bit this week, talking about increasing casualty rates in certain areas. Basically the Earth is semi-hosed - the logistics chains are all going to be stretched and broken, transport networks are going to fail, the immediate aid supplies are going to run short, and people are going to start to starve, and it's going to happen on a global scale. Sure, Baltimore sort of looks like a slightly worse Katrina - but that is going to be the same over a ton of coastal cities, not just one. The dust in the atmosphere is going to gently caress up agriculture for years. Regional stresses and wars will flare up over dwindling supplies. The immediate destruction is just the start.
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Open Source Idiom posted:They're pretty flat, but the show's only finally started to give them dramatic material. I don't see how we are getting out this season without 1) Drummer ventilating the Free Navy plant (probably after the plant takes out at least one of Drummer's polycule) and 2) Inaros responding by executing the hostage from Drummer's faction. So I'm guessing we will be down at least 3 more of those characters pretty shortly (in addition to Cyn being dead already). That should clear up some of the character crowding. Edit: here's my prediction for how things go down roughly - Holden and Drummer will both get (probably in the nick of time) Naomi's intention behind the message fuckery - During the rescue attempt, however it goes down, the Free Navy plant on Drummer's ship will try to force them to fire on the Rocinante (remember they picked up some torpedos in the scavenging this week). Drummer will refuse and a firefight or something like that will ensue - end result being the death of the Free Navy lady and one or more of Drummer's crew. - Holden and Drummer will join up forces against Marco with Naomi giving insight to his plans/motivations/etc. - Marco will learn of this (when Drummer's ships stop reporting in) and space the Drummer crew member he has onboard as a lesson - and probably send footage or something to Drummer Where I'm less confident: - I can't really call out what's going to happen with the Earth response - will they end up destroying Pallas station and radicalizing the belt? Or will Drummer/Holden working together with Avasarala be able to convince the new Sec. Gen that there is a significant anti-Inaros faction that can generate support from the Belt? Inaros might be a hero in the Belt, but his "my way or the highway (to an airlock)" methods can't be that popular with the semi-anarchic Belters. Holden might be an Earther, but he is also a Belt hero - back in Season 1 Belters were spray-painting his face on the station walls with "Remember the Cant" and all. He was a hero on Medina station when it was the Behemoth. He was a hero to the Belters who went to Ilus. He's an associate of Fred Johnson, who is a martyr now for any anti-Inaros faction. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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gfarrell80 posted:Martians whose bodies are naturally adapted to .37 g for their entire life would almost certainly have some kind of reaction to walking around on Earth's surface (I don't care how much they 'train' in 1g). Theoretically yes, they would have some kind of reaction what it is exactly... egh, dunno. In the books it's explicitly a reaction to being in open air with no suit, dome or covering. Just being outside in the atmosphere for the first time in their lives, when your training and experience dictates that being outside with no suit is essentially certain death. Nothing to do with the gravity. So yeah, basically vertigo or agoraphobia or something like that.
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Not Keyser Soze posted:So has the issue been brought up about the weird fixation with alcohol this season? I've been noticing that almost every scene in every episode this season involves people drinking. It's not like it's product placement because the brands are all fictional but it's really weird now that I can't unsee how so drat many casual or social scenes involve booze in some way and to that end characters go out of their way to bring up various spirits. It's really weird. This is really only relevant to the Amos storyline, but: One thing that I don't know if the show has made clear is that liquor made outside of the inner planets is kinda poo poo. Even the top quality stuff made on a big station like Ceres doesn't hold a candle to what's made on Earth still. One of the top exports from Earth to the Belt is probably booze - specifically high-quality whiskey, tequila, and similar spirits. When you really want to celebrate something, you splurge on the real poo poo made from real grain grown in real soil. So when Amos visits Erich, your drat straight he's taking that good stuff while he can. Plus Amos is well, maybe not an alcoholic, but definitely a binge drinker. Also, space travel is loving boring. The show cuts out most of it, but you spend days/weeks/sometimes months in a tin can with the same group of people. Nothing really to do outside of work and watching future TV - even internet gets less and less useful as you get more and more light delay. No holodecks etc (though VR should be a well grown technology, it's not brought up I don't think). Sometimes you have to spend large portions of the trip literally confined to a couch if you are doing a high-G burn. So of course practically everyone parties like crazy when you hit a station, and pretty much everyone drinks heavily. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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Wheeee posted:in the series finale Avasarala rolls up on the belt in the flagship of Earth's armada, sweeping aside the remnants of Marco's forces and proclaiming the belters free of his tyranny, until she sees the belters on video feeds running around in a panic at the carnage and not kneeling and weeping in gratitude to her and so she just blasts Eros out of the sky Nail Rat posted:Julie Mao beat her to that more than 3 seasons ago Lol I was going to say, picked the one asteroid we know for sure is no longer around.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Wasn't there a scene where Peaches was like "moon looks haunted" and Amos replied "dat's sun, bossmaeng"? I think this is one of the problems with trying to convey certain things in film. We are so used to various kinds of unnatural lighting on TV - like night-time filming that is way brighter than a real night, or set lighting, or specifically filming scenes at certain times of day to get the right light. So it's very hard to convey the skies are darker than they should be, and words don't count as much as what we see. I wonder if they should have done something like try to simulate that red-orange dust sky we see when there are massive fires putting particulates into the air, that was so pervasive during the various bush fires/forest fires in the last couple of years.
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Terror Sweat posted:Wait how did he die? It was a stroke. Risk of high-G burns.
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Panderfringe posted:So like nothing happens in the loving finale until the last ten minutes? Lol What? Did you miss the whole space battle that was the first half of the episode?
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Data Graham posted:So when Naomi and Holden are in the recovery bay and commiserating, and she fires off a missile which they watch explode remotely, and Bull is like "Good thing we kept one in our back pocket", what was — oh that was Alex's coffin torpedo wasn't it No, they were just destroying the Chetzemoka - it was still basically a bomb waiting for a ship to get too close.
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TommyGun85 posted:The Rocinante Plaque: It says 'legitimate salvage' on it which is the dumbest concept ever. This would be the equivalent of a bunch of fisherman salvaging an American nuclear submarine and the government saying 'ya sure I guess its yours now'. It was stupid in the books, stupid in S4 (even worse how they shoehorned buying it back) and its stupid now to make a plaque of it. I mean, if that bunch of fishermen then went and helped to save Earth using that submarine. And then went on to help save Mars (ok, I'm stretching this analogy). And even after that, Mars did try to seize it - it was part of the reason they wanted to arrest Holden so bad. But then Holden and his crew helped to save the solar system... They've also helped save the most powerful single person in the solar system personally as well. They have a lot of clout is what I'm trying to say.
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Mu Zeta posted:Also is it just me or was it weird how emotional Drummer's crew was? Never saw other Belters cry so much. Why is it weird to be emotional when your family is breaking apart? Like, they were all in a relationship together, and now are being driven apart by politics and war. Drummer took actions that meant one of their family died, and she knew that was going to happen.
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Centrist Committee posted:Well maybe because it didn’t exist on camera until this season and it had to compete with five other plot lines to develop emotional resonance with the audience I'm not gonna try to judge if the scenes actually worked emotionally for someone or not, but they were explicitly coded as family during the season. Plenty of TV and movies start with some terrible tragedy happening to a family member in the first five minutes, and I feel it's strange to not understand why someone might be crying at a funeral, even if the audience hasn't gotten to know the characters yet. Or in this case, crying during both a messy divorce and a funeral at the same time.
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eke out posted:it also seemed like "martian battlecruisers from out of nowhere" was a bigger deciding factor in the last battle than anything else, they might've been hopelessly outgunned even without the meteorites Also those rogue MCRN ships probably took advantage of friend-or-foe transponders, so their missiles wouldn't be automatically targeted by the PDC cannons. And they did a good job setting up the aimed/timed micrometeorite shower with the attack on that one science ship early in the season. Exact same result - if you know where and when the enemy is going to be, it's a pretty powerful weapon. I can imagine that going forward, station-keeping near objects will involve a lot more random burns to vary your position over time.
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Rah! posted:They already know earth was attacked by stealth meteors, and so they just....don't move, for days? weeks? Don't have escorts? Don't use their stealth detecting satellites to guard the ring at all? Also the meteor attack on earth had multiple misses, so we know its hard to accurately throw rocks, and that was at a much bigger target than a few battleships. It just seemed too easy that's all. A fleet of battleships should not be very easy targets 1) Yeah, it was either hubris, bad decision-making, or whatever. Ships should have been randomly maneuvering. 2) I don't know what escorts would have done against the micrometeorite shower other than serve as human shields? But yeah, they should have a picket line. One thing that I don't know if the show gets across well is that the military forces are spread very thin, since Earth/Mars just got out of a shooting war (Season 2) that decimated a lot of their forces. They've also suffered losses from the Free Navy (one episode mentioned this), and probably pulled back to help defend Earth after the rocks. 3) The special stealth detecting satellites are all located near Earth/Mars, since they were designed to protect Earth against stealth missiles from Mars, while the ring is past the orbit of Neptune, which is at least 20-30x further away than the distance between Earth and Mars (depending on orbits). 4) True, it's not made clear why some of the rocks missed Earth. Bad planning/bad execution?
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Baronjutter posted:There's no way Marco can "control" anything really. He's got a few nice ships but earth and mars have fleets 1000x bigger. Earth's ecology is hosed but that doesn't hurt their short term ability to use their fleet to do what ever's needed to control the ring gate or do what ever they want. Now that marco doesn't even have the blue goop to threaten the system or his martian allies I have no idea what his plan is. He wracked up a great genocide high-score but he's totally irrelevant now, it's these ultra-fascists with some sort of proto-planet and station that are the new threat. We the audience may know that Marco doesn't have the protomolecule, but Earth/Mars don't. And it's even possible that not all of the sample got passed along, maybe Marco kept some? Earth and Mars fleets may be bigger, but: 1) Earth and Mars have lost a ton of ships in the recent conflicts, especially in the Jupiter system (season 2). 2) Isolated Earth/Mars forces have been attacked and destroyed by Free Navy ships. This came up in an episode this season. 3) They don't trust each other. Earth knows that Inaros worked with some part of the MCRN to acquire stealth tech. Earth just watched MCRN ships help blow up a few of their bigger battleships left. Can Earth really trust that whatever faction dealt with Inaros is truly gone? And Mars never trusts Earth. 4) Some portion, probably a large one, of the Earth and Mars forces are needed to stay around their home systems. Both for defense against the Free Navy, but also they don't trust each other not to take advantage. 5) Marco doesn't need to necessarily defend the whole belt. He probably wants Earth to do more indiscriminate attacks to force more people into his camp. Given all that... yes, Marco is an egomaniac who is likely grasping for control he won't be able to hold on to. His plans for a self-sustaining belt are probably pipe dreams at best. He does control the Ring station, so he may be able to extort some of the colonies past the rings for food (not clear how many colonies are out there right now). But yes, he is probably screwed in the long run unless Earth/Mars start fighting each other.
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:The folks who are saying that, "Alex's death was handled in the best possible way" are killing me. I don't think it's the best way it could have been handled, but I'm satisfied with it. One, it makes sense in universe - high G burns risk strokes and other damage, and it's probably a risk that gets worse the more you do it - small bits of damage adding up. As a pilot for years and years, Alex was probably most at risk. And I think that the writing having Naomi feeling guilty was a pretty good addition and worked well with her character arc over the season. Two, it's better to do it on screen than in between seasons. Three, I'm glad they went with death over a recast for a central character. Four, I'm glad he (Cas, not Alex) is off the show.
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Infidelicious posted:The Traitors needed Marco to do those things, because only someone within the OPA could infiltrate Fred Johnson and Dawes' operations to pull it off. They also used him to take any and all attention away from themselves. Once Marco dropped the rocks and made himself the enemy of the Inner planets, no one was really paying attention to the rogue fleet (except Bobbie/Alex).
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gfarrell80 posted:Another thing that just bothered me about the setup on Naomi's bomb ship... what exactly was the trigger? Airlock usage? Naomi used the airlock twice and it didn't trigger the bomb. But whatever, it was okay. The freighter apparently had the most decentralized multi-redundant com system ever. But it is okay, I've made peace with it. It looked to be some kind of radar contact, as was shown when she got the helmet HUD working.
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Infidelicious posted:It's hard to fix stuff or disable anything complicated with a single pry bar as your only tool; at least without giving up and setting off the bomb. Yeah, that part is believable. Even if it's possible to defuse (not completely tamper-proof), it's a loving huge risk. If you want to look for plotholes, maybe wonder why Marco left valuable air in a transport that was meant to have no one on it. The only thing I can think of was that maybe future ship sensors can detect if a ship has internal atmosphere (how, I don't know).
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Alchenar posted:Hmm, so there's the gate builders and the gate aliens and they are both incomprehensibly advanced to humanity, but the gate alien legacy is that they wiped out the gate builders in an instant, whereas the gate builder legacy is that they seem pretty indifferent to other life and the only point at which they posed a threat to humanity was either incidental or because humanity accidentally triggered a threat alert. I mean, the gate builders deliberately hijack organic life that exists on other systems to take over and expand their network. We also don't know why the gate aliens seem to be antagonistic to the gate builders. It's possible the gates themselves are a fundamental threat to whatever dimension the gate aliens live in and every time a ring is used, it is killing or hurting the gate aliens, so they are acting/acted in self defense against the beings who aggressively use their dimension for their own self-interest. Ascribing a moral code or assigning good/evil to either one seems impossible when we have barely any concept of the motiviations, actions, or desires of either group.
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Grand Fromage posted:Ty has said the wrong yields are intentional because the people reporting them don't have good information. I do not think this was a good choice, but, The issue with that is that we have a PoV character at the highest level of government who should be getting the best possible information. So while the news might have gotten it wrong initially, we (the audience) should get a good grasp on the true scale. I'm of the feeling that the next season will delve into it more, now that the initial Free Navy crisis has reached a kind of stalemate or at least plateau.
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Grand Fromage posted:The risk of a bullet going through an air recycler or a computer or something seems far more important than it penetrating the hull. Even if it did go through the hull, that's not a big hole and fixing the leak wouldn't be a huge deal. Always figured this was more of the answer than depressurization concerns. Theres a fuckload of valuable electronics, piping/valves, and so on in your ship, and most of that is not going to be hardened from impacts coming from inside. Shoot the wrong place and now you've lost control of a maneuvering thruster, or have the thruster gases spewing into your cabin, or have water pumping out onto your electronics. Depending on if you are talking about a military vessel like the Roci or a Belter rock-hopper, you may have various levels of redundancy and safety, but it's probably a good idea to minimize that at least while in your own ship. Boarding someone else's ship, and it probably depends on if your mission includes a plan to capture that vessel.
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Eej posted:I don't think they're expected to go into combat any time though? I think the Donnager is the only capital ship we see in combat and they were caught totally unawares (due to stealth). I assume that sensors can pickup drive plumes from very very far away and give them plenty of time to suit up. No, you definitely still do. The battleships can still accelerate pretty hard. You might not get as much sudden change in acceleration (jerk), but they can sustain high-G burns which you would definitely need a couch for. If your huge expensive state-of-the-art battleship can't do high-G burns, it's not gonna be anywhere that matters in time to do anything that matters. Being in a crash couch is sort of like the seat belts on an airplane. If you are in or expecting high-G maneuvers (turbulence), you better buckle in. If the captain signals that high-G maneuvers are incoming (selt belt sign goes on), you better hurry to a crash couch and buckle in. If you are sleeping, you better buckle in because you can't quickly respond to a change in conditions. If you have a planned break from high-G burns or maneuvers, it's safe to get up and walk around (but you should be aware of where you can go to strap in if things change). The fact of the matter is that most spaceship crews spend most of their time stuck in couches. And that's boring to film and boring to watch. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Why would they spend most of their time in couches? Unless you're in a battle or responding to something urgent surely everyone cruises at 1g acceleration. Remember you're still accelerating all the time. Just at 1g. Why would you need more than that for most things? True, fair enough, I was exaggerating and perhaps unfairly. Most people don't need to accelerate hard, and could spend a lot of time out of couches. Our viewpoint characters do spend a good deal of time needing to get somewhere quickly though (or in and around tense situation that might need sudden acceleration), and so would realistically spend a lot of time in couches. Like in this season, Holden + crew were chasing down the Zmeya which they knew had the protomolecule sample, and thus would probably trying to burn hard for it. After that, they are trying to intercept the Chetzemoka, and would probably be going fast to get there too. But in the name of filming, they don't show the Roci crew in couches/chairs most of the time. Which is perfectly fine in my opinion. Otherwise you end up with the Bobbi/Alex scenes where it feels like they haven't done anything or gone anywhere. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Cojawfee posted:If it is only a gravity assist, then no. Aside from weird situations like being right next to a black hole, the gravity of the planet pulls on the ship and him with the same strength. They are in free fall together and will move together. If he is already on an escape trajectory, then there is no burn needed. If he is burning at the periapsis to take advantage of the oberth effect to change his orbit, then that will definitely throw him back in his seat, which I think is what's happening. I always imagine there would be different "classes" of slingshot racing. Similar to the way video game speed runs are structured (Any%, tool-assisted, not tool-assisted, no damage, etc.). So you'd have like slingshot runs where you only burn once at the start, ones with specific mid-run burns, and so on. However, the thing I don't understand so much is all the excitement in the room we see - these kinds of slingshot runs would probably take weeks if not months. Hard to get that excited over something 1000x slower than baseball.
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