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NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Now there's a blast from the past. Speaking of:



Sylvester Mars, still(?) The Patriarch of Rome.

Hell and damnation, if things weren't bad enough already, we've got a bunch of jumped-up merchants with pretensions of divine right to the south and to the north a frothing mass of lunatic frenchmen who want to bring back latin and hailing the ceasar all day long. Well, I didn't lobby for 10 years to have fillioque removed from the old papal palace just to have some mad gauls take away my right to preach in the vulgate!

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NewMars
Mar 10, 2013


Sylvester Mars, the inexplicably still-extant Patriarch of Rome.

Oh, hell and damnation! Now look what these jumped-up idiots with delusions as big as their stolen hats are doing! This all comes back to the world series, you mark my words. They think because of a win in a game of kick-the-ball they're god, Mary and Jesus all in one, see if they don't. Holy Roman Empire? They don't even have a pope anymore! But, I don't doubt they paid off some overgrown parish father with more gold than sense to get legitimacy, like this was the 12th century! Oh, dear, oh, dear.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013


Sylvester Mars, the inexplicably still-extant Patriarch of Rome.

Do I even need to explain myself here? We're just going to stand back while these medieval throw-backs try to murder people for a shiny hat? If I can't wear the big shiny pope hat, then a maniac like her doesn't deserve a fascinator!

Support the Democratic Crusader!

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
I can't believe you left out the most important piece of news.

THE DAILY COMMUNEIQUE

July 2, 1938

Patriarch of Rome (not Roman Patriarch) denounces Pangalism, Monarchy, Romano-Gallianism

Celebrating his centennial birthday today, the long-serving Patriarch of Rome, Sylvester Mars, embarked on a long, rambling tirade during his weekly radio broadcast. Over the course of forty minutes, the patriarch denounced seemingly every state, ideology and government outside of the RRP, referring to pangalists as a "jumped up bunch of clerks who think a clean budget absolves all sins." Monarchists were addressed with his ten-minutes devoted to explaining how "there's one king, and he no longer walks this earth." A full twenty minutes of his speech were reserved for the so-called Imperium Gallium, which the patriarch stated: "Combined the worst language with the worst nation and had some crazy lady drop it on top of a bunch of poor frenchmen." Reactions to this have varied, with the Patriarch of Paris commenting: "Oh, what a load of s-"


(And so forth)

NewMars fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 27, 2020

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
I really hope we can get indochina settled before the gauls do something real stupid.

Well, stupider anyway.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Communist Zombie posted:

I havent kept up on the LP forum lately but can I get a link to this? As a reader of ByzLP Im obviously interested :P

https://discord.gg/zr6Um6mgUc There's a link for you and anyone else that wants in!

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Sylvester Mars, the Increasingly-Venerable Patriarch of Rome



So some of you heard the news about Indochina. Well, it's not much news given it's place in the paper and I must agree: a jumped-up rubber company getting bulldozed by a guerrilla front is something anyone could have seen coming. You may think that having better guns and professional training might do the trick, but that's to forget that wars are won by morale as much as logistics. Let me tell you right now that men might fight for money but they won't die for it. They'll die for god, they'll die for a nation and they'll die for a cause but they won't die for a paycheck. Remember when we had soldiers whose motivation was the bottom line? We called them mercenaries. Why'd we stop using them? Because they sucked! You see, you have to live to spend money, so they're motivated to stay alive at all costs, all costs, mind you, including actually winning the war. When it comes to the fight, a man might commit to the rear-guard when the situation is hopeless for the sake of their friends, their family, or their cause, to protect them. They won't do it though, for the sake of money they know they can't spend.

The Pangalists think that because money can move an economy it can move a nation, but the Indochinese should be their warning: money can buy you enough to win a battle, but victory in an age of total warfare requires a commitment that cannot be purchased.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Sylvester Mars, the Most Venerable and August Patriarch of Rome



Oh hell, here we go.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Some say that the west roman empire ended in tragedy. If so, let's hope this one ends in farce.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Empress Theonora posted:

Rome is where the heart is.

Listen, everyone out there tries to be Rome. France, Russia, Byzantium. They all try or have tried, but they failed. They're just not the same.

I guess what I'm getting at here is that there's no place like Rome.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Not just twice, but almost three times the losses.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
And now we have Hungary... but the real surprise is what's going on there in the baltics. They must have the luck of a god, to get a br8k like that.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Well, this was a setback. And by a setback I mean a loss of hundreds of thousands of lives. Still, it's all up hill from here, right? Right?

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Even if they can make them, I don't think that nukes can save them- the real reason to rush is to stop collateral damage.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
It's also not a very good game in general.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
##Support the Charismatic Idealist

This here is the "no vriskas" club. Sorry, but I don't make the rules.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Personally, I would really like it if we could not side with the pseudomonarchist dictator in this one. Especially what with the hellwar it promises.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
The problem here is that there is a very visible consequence just from looking at the focus trees: they will attack the allies. It's not a question of "if." The HOI4 AI will take every focus it can if they are available. They will never not take it. They are going to do it and they are going to drag us into it, possibly even bringing us in on the side of the WPO. This is not a hypothetical, it will happen.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Hellioning posted:

There is a non-zero chance that those focuses just cause events to fire that might lead to war instead of guaranteed leading to war.

But they're capitalists anyway, so who cares?

If they select against liberalism first, it would have us coming in on the side of the pangalists against the allies.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
HOI4 is based around warfare to an extent that other paradox games are not: if the AI has the ability to do something warfare related, it will. Actually, in general, if there is something it can do, it will do it, the only limiting factor being time. It is actively incapable of not taking an offered option, which explains a lot of how odd it acts.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

ZiegeDame posted:

How long would it actually take to get an entire army from India to France, anyway?

Depends on if the Suez is open for us or not.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

stumblebum posted:

I've been thinking about how the internal politics of the Byzantine Commune actually work. It seems to be structured like a parliamentary democracy, but with Marxism instead of Liberalism as its inviolable ideology. Liberal parties (represented in HOI as "Artemis" in the political pie chart) are definitely tolerated to an extent, but there's no way they can actually implement liberal reforms effectively.
The end of Vicky the elections were basically a revolving door between Labour and Irenicists with Athens Commune monopolizing the second tier on its own, whereas here in HOI it seems to be implied that Athens Commune has taken primacy for the war. If this is the case, I think some generalizations can be pulled for Byzantine politics.

I'm thinking that the Labour and the Irenicists might appear to be moderate socialists, I think it might be more appropriate to think of them as comfortable socialists. Wherever communist politics are essentially unassailable, the "pink" parties thrive on being more experimental and permissive in the execution of communist ideology. But where communism itself can be considered to be under threat or less stable, the Athens Commune and related radical parties step up their militancy and interference against non/anti-communist movements. Where liberals actually win seats, I see the hardliner communists organizing constant marches, sit-ins, shut downs, and sabotages to keep said liberal offices cowed and under control. When the movement as a whole is under threat from fascism, the country pushes the radical communists to the forefront to secure itself. Just as liberal republics' rights and politics are always limited against social relations based on property and bourgeois rights, the Exteberrian republics' rights and politics are always limited against social relations based on material dialectics and proletarian rights.

This idea even extends into the typical foreign policy of the Commune, and by extension the RRP. While the Exteberrians prefer to reach a situation where they can have elections between comfortable socialist parties, they are staunch allies and protectors of even the most unitary Müllerist regime against external ideological enemies. Solidarity and proletarian class dictatorship trumps preference for nominal electoralism, going all the way back to the Commune's support and subsidization of Müllerist NGF.

Anyways those are some of the thoughts I've had about the Byzantine's attempts at rectifying workers' democracy with proletarian class dictatorship. I was wondering if Theo or any of the secondary authors have their own ideas of how they think the politics of the Commune might look.

I think this overlooks one of the fundamental parts of a socialist and/or communist society: namely the political integration of labour. From the factory floor to the organization of industrial sectors, no part of it is disconnected from the political system. The question is if this is parallel or directly so: namely are workers organizations part of councils or similar bodies that also direct larger policy such as a parliamentary house, do they make up these organs of state, do they operate independent of them with liaison bodies acting to coordinate policy, instead, or are they subservient to political planning bodies under a somewhat corporatist structure?

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NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Something that came up: because of how volunteers in HOI4 work, all those ones she has in Lithuania will disappear instantly into the ether now, to reappear in India a week later. Gotta hope they weren't necessary to stop the fascists or anything.

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