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heres what i've learned so far (still doing baby heat runs but not losing anymore): 1.) The game has a way it wants you to use each weapon. Generally it's attacking, dashing, and sometimes specialing like a blender. Most system mechanics in the game are tuned the way they are to support this playstyle. The game rewards you exceptionally heavily for offensively dashing. 2.) Privileged Status is an extremely important mechanic to understand. It is why Ares, Aphrodite, and Dionysus attack buffs are often competitive with Zeus/Artemis. If your BnB attack pattern for a run does not inflict two or more statuses, you are at a huge disadvantage (splashing aphrodite/ares dash is often far stronger than it seems). This is also why Jolted can be an absurdly important zeus buff. 3.) Melee weapons are competitive due to privileged status allowing you to splash effects from attack, dash, and special rather than just attack and special. (This is why the spear is a touch weaker than shield/sword imo.) 4.) If you're struggling with Hades prioritize Aphrodite, she makes the fight way way easier. Before you start playing for time she's honestly op she doubles your life vs bosses how good is that???
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I havent died since I cleared 0 heat. I'm at 3 heat now and it's not really getting harder, there are enough low impact ways to add heat that I imagine I won't really start feeling it until ~8 or so. I've been trying a lot of different ones out and the only thing that really seemed like a huge step up from 0 heat was the elite barge with Middle Management active. Holy crap the chiron bow was not the right weapon there.
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Jan 9, 2020 05:13
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AnonSpore posted:How are yall getting such fast clears? Granted I'm just starting to get full clears but even then my runs are looking more like 30 minutes than 6 or 7 or whatever. Finishing the whole game in 10 minutes has apparently been done (by much better players than I) but it requires a lot of things to go right.
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Jan 9, 2020 05:15
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Artelier posted:Yup, that's the only bottleneck I find personally. Not sure what happens if you run out of time, presumably you just explode and die. Gotta be a more reliable way to clear them all the time.
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Jan 9, 2020 15:51
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Glare Seethe posted:Kinda wish there was a keepsake that forced a Daedalus upgrade as your next chamber reward.
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Jan 10, 2020 14:20
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A lot of things I thought were bad, like Athena's boon that increases deflected projectile damage, ended actually being decent. But the bad Hermes buffs are indeed really terrible. I'm convinced that for non-timed runs Aphrodite is the best god for basic runs but Artemis has the most highroll potential with chaos buffs etc.
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Jan 10, 2020 18:52
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NObodyNOWHERE posted:What Hermes boons do you think are bad? I like almost everything from him, even though some are still way better. quote:I like Aphrodite a lot, but mostly for privileged status now. By the time you start bumping up heat, you generally shouldn't be getting hit that frequently. So the damage negation of weakness isn't that important anymore. These days I'm less likely to take Aphrodite than even Poseidon. Aphrodite giving a damage buff as well as privileged status is why she's good though yeah. No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 21:54
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You get a lot of blood. It takes about 200 blood to max out everything and I know you get at least 20 blood from contracts so clearing each weapon up to 18 heat will get you everything. Getting a favorite weapon of each type up to max will take less than 100 blood and winning up to heat 10 with all the weapons should be doable for anyone (eventually). I'm still forever short on nectar. Maybe when I can start turning keys into nectar it'll get better. (this is all moot as I imagine samovar hasnt gotten to the second blood in each run yet) No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 18:14
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kaschei posted:I never change fate for blue gates, you often end up changing shadow and a small amount of health for... a key to replace the die you just cast. Ciaphas posted:what punishments do you like taking, anyways? they all seem like right fuckers I think forced overtime is something worth getting used to so I'm going to work up to +50% to get up to 10 heat, then the first time constraint/+1 blue heart/a few more enemies and maybe a rank of reduced healing to get up to 16. I really want to avoid doing trap damage as long as possible because I am not used to Hydra 2.
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Jan 11, 2020 20:10
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Benson Cunningham posted:For pushing heat, I've found the following works really well. Eraflure posted:Jesus christ I hate the rail. Every single run where I don't get triple rockets feels miserable. Almost lost the streak on this one, didn't get support fire and scintillating feast until Styx and got murdered in Elysium.
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Jan 12, 2020 20:56
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bamhand posted:Athena feels pretty useless outside of her dash or just getting a single source of reflect and then never picking her again. I think Ares + Artemis is the strongest combo in the game and Ares can be pretty decent on his own but is weapon dependent. Zeus and Poseidon are pretty trash unless you can get their duo or if you get like all Zeus boons. That said I usually find jolted/rupture and if I do I'm happy with dio/zeus/poseidon pretty equally. Ares is probably my least favorite because he's got the only dash that won't apply a status.
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Jan 15, 2020 18:15
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Helion posted:Is it wrong that I really like Poseidon in act 4? The baddies hit the walls and the bodies hit the floor.
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Jan 16, 2020 02:13
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Samovar posted:So, hey, guess who learned that if you turn a Satyr with Aphrodite's call when you were poisoned by it, poison ticks go from 3 every half second to 30? It is especially nasty because the way the game handles HP apparently Zagreus' damage/hp values are totally misaligned with the enemies'. So when an enemy gets charmed, the devs apply at least a 10x multiplier to their damage because otherwise they wouldn't damage enemies. And when the bug kicks in and you get hit by one you get gibbed, or in your case, 10x poisoned.
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Jan 17, 2020 22:15
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What was weak nerfed to? Also making the middle management barge easier is very welcome. That was the hardest dang thing in the game by a lot.
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Jan 21, 2020 22:24
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guts and bolts posted:Chiron aspected Coronacht remains entirely too powerful imo but I think that could just be me. I have yet to clear a run with the Exagryph except for a zero heat attempt that I barely scraped by; anyone have tips for this thing? I fuckin hate it.
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Jan 22, 2020 14:47
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The problem is sort of the heat system in that the first few levels of heat - by design - do basically nothing (as players can always start with the least impactful heats). So there was kind of this initial difficulty when your character was weak, then you win, then you play dozens and dozens of runs without losing. I got bored around heat 5/6 and checked out until demeter released. Imo heat should be less granular but with better rewards, there isnt enough difficulty gradation from 1-8 heat. (They could also really go crazy and make completing a higher heat unlock the rewards from all previous heats for that weapon but i think they've intentionally chosen not to do this and I probably agree) No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Jan 22, 2020 16:25
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Fenn the Fool! posted:Getting everything all at once is probably too much, but I'd definitely appreciate being able to jump up 2 or 3 heat at a time. Crawling up to 10 heat on each weapon, 1 heat at a time, has been a tad slow. Dias posted:Maybe they should add bonus upgrade resource gain to some of the harder Pacts? Then again, Darkness I think gets pretty useless pretty fast, and Gems aren't that big of a carrot? There could be daily bonuses for taking specific punishments though. Would be fun enough.
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Jan 22, 2020 17:32
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We'll see. Ideally the game should feel like a fun single player experience through your first final boss clear., then offer endless nasty roguelike stuff on the back end. Previously you basically outscaled 0 heat by the time you unlocked health, money, and privileged status, and I dont think that was a bad thing. Its just your next 45 runs were too easy. No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Jan 22, 2020 18:04
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Drewjitsu posted:So I'm super bad at this game, I've made it to the final boss 3 times now, can't beat them. Any suggestions? I feel the vast majority of my play style is dash attacking, very little casting.
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Jan 22, 2020 19:19
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Oh i wondered why the run seemed so gentle. I'd heard about how much harder the earlier patch made it, did a run and it wasn't so bad, then found out about the un-nerfs. The screen got zoomed out, right? That's the part I had the most trouble adapting to. The demeter +30% damage to everything when you're out of gems is theoretically nuts but wow I kept forgetting to use it. The final boss was noticeably harder, I had a very strong build with privileged status active the whole time and he still did a good 360 damage to me over the course of the fight. Also what does "disciple of hermes" mean? I had the same text when I finished my run (which had nothing in common with yours). No Wave fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Jan 23, 2020 04:58
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buildmorefarms posted:Willing to bet it's a title based on your clear time; there's likely more flowery ones the faster you go.
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Jan 23, 2020 05:08
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Are you sure its not just the new FoV? Also can I change it back?
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Jan 23, 2020 19:40
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Samovar posted:When does one get to upgrade the weapons with Titan Blood? Is there a specific trigger for it? I've spoken to Achilles about them, but nothing yet. Do I need to unlock all of them?
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Jan 23, 2020 23:43
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Nectar is for sure rarer. Lost my streak recently on a crappy spear run and that lowered dash distance hammer upgrade is not very fun. I wasnt expecting it to reduce my iframes too but I guess thats logical.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:13
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genericnick posted:Love the game though I am bad at it. Or at least with the rails. Took me something like 20 tries to clear the hydra after already doing it with shield, spear and bow. What was the first three-diamond upgrade everyone took? I went for nectar since it seems to have the biggest influence on the current run.
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Jan 28, 2020 19:48
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I've done about 40 runs and have gotten more than 1 nectar like... 8 times max. No idea why it is so rare for me.
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Jan 28, 2020 20:21
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Playing this game makes me depressed because they keep addig more interactions for megara and hades making it impossible for sisyphus' quest to ever trigger or finish A dozen runs since I maxed out bouldy's nectar and I still havent had the dialogue that triggers the thing to show up at the renovator it is so frustrating
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Jan 30, 2020 20:55
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Yes. I gave sisyphus ambrosia and still had enough time to give bouldy 5 nectar and hades still wont stfu about new story triggers that I apparently tripped and are more important than bouldy.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:13
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Double dash on sword is so good that they had to make a weird hosed up version of it for the spear or everyone would pick it every time.
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Feb 3, 2020 22:18
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dusa calls you the nicest person in the house then friendzones you for all eternity? brutal.
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Feb 7, 2020 22:59
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Are you using the bull rush or the dash? The codex adds another line or two of lore the more you kill/talk to the subject.
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Feb 7, 2020 23:13
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Megaera has too many interactions for how rare she is. I've been stuck on talking to her as part of the sisyphus quest for two dozen runs at this point and its just demoralizing, every time I see her it's some other new fluffy thing that got added instead.
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May 10, 2020 22:16
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I havent even unlocked all the content that was available when I started playing and I think the number of interactions required in general for bouldy is frustrating/excessive. I admit I did get bored when the game got a lot harder in January because spending twice as long on average fighting hades wasnt much fun which might be a better example of EA burn out.
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May 11, 2020 22:23
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you're right about the spear though. I think it's most peoples' least favorite. The special is just awkward and mashing special is so important for privileged-status runs.
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My biggest complaint: the game direly needs additional Act 2 and Act 3 bosses and I don't think we're getting any. Every single run you will be fighting Hydra and Theseus and I don't think either of those fights are particularly interesting. Three different harpies makes the first boss by far the most fun boss of the run (they're all just more fun too and aren't such damage sinks). No Wave fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Jun 30, 2020 19:23
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The chiron aspect more than doubles its special DPS! I would consider +25% damage very impactful, and it gets + 133% damage fully upgraded!
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kaschei posted:On the other hand when you fight the Furies your build is mostly unformed, and a lot of the variety in the latter part of the game comes from how you play your current build. If the last bosses were significantly random it would be hard to reason about your choices, making them less meaningful. The first thing anyone gets sick of playing this game is either the Hydra or Theseus. It would absolutely be a worthwhile investment of effort and being on the third iteration of Hydra indicates this.
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Turin Turambar posted:Ok, two questions now I beat Hades once.
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I think the bow is really strong but I'm only at heat 6. Maybe it gets rough with the 7:00 time limit? idk. I had zeus bolt on special, aphrodite attack, and jolted on a chiron bow and did not have much trouble with anything. Bow's always been the easiest for me along with shield. No Wave fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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Glare Seethe posted:I'd really like them to do something about Theseus/Asterius for 1.0 because it's such an enormous slog. I don't know what that something would be, maybe the ability to break Theseus' shield, or just lower their HP across the board. I love all the dialogue for that encounter but the actual battle is so exhausting, with or without Extreme Measures. Everything else seems minor and having Olympian Favor as an alternative to Privileged Status makes a lot of weapons usable.
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