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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
They have been saving a lot of money now that they don’t have to spend it on fighting against gay marriage around the country.

The Management fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Dec 17, 2019

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Nice Guy Patron
Jun 29, 2015

1st_Panzer_Div. posted:

Wrong af, you have to give whatever financial amount your heart tells you. Any decent priest be following that up about the old dumb lady that gave all her money, 1 coin, and got the most blessings*

*said blessings were promised by the Jesus, but never described or referenced again in any text, bible or other.

Sure, but it's not a required 10% of your paycheck like the Mormons.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Gazpacho posted:

i'd rather have the LDS worshipping mammon than sending more missionaries around

I think they’re doing both

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Milo and POTUS posted:

You have to pay to be a missionary? lmfao

It must be awesome to be an evil cocksucker in this world. I'm having a hard time thinking of a finer grift.

Religion really is the best one, the people are dumb as gently caress and will believe whatever you tell them because thinking critically clearly isn't a strong suit.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
I like the reasoning that they’re saving the money for when Jesus has his second coming

Like one day Jesus walks into Mormon HQ and says “alright guys I’m back! You got that hundred billion?”

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
werent the higher ups in that "church" marrying many underage girls so they could have sex with them too? yeah no big deal. as long as you say its a religious belief its all good

dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

my dog died im sad posted:

Sure, but it's not a required 10% of your paycheck like the Mormons.

Think if we taxed their asses at 90% but called it a tithe they’d be cool with it? Because we absolutely need to tax their asses

Blast of Confetti
Apr 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mozi posted:

I like the reasoning that they’re saving the money for when Jesus has his second coming

Like one day Jesus walks into Mormon HQ and says “alright guys I’m back! You got that hundred billion?”

hmm maybe read the bible on what jesus thinks about money in temples

oh wait this is the group whose book says the first natives were white lol who the gently caress knows what they say about jesus

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
Mormons are loving bonkers. I've lived in Utah and can 100% confirm this.

For example, you're not allowed to enter their holiest buildings, called Temples (different from their regular Sunday church buildings), unless you have a signed Temple Recommend document, which requires an interview with a Bishop (their name for what most people know as Priest or Pastor) where they ask you all kinds of outrageously personal poo poo like how much you make, if you're giving that absolutely required 10% share to the church, what your sexual habits are, etc.

If you fall short in that interview, you don't get your Temple Recommend, which means that according to your own religion, you can't attend the holiest rituals, including baptism or getting married, nor can you attend the baptism and marriage of any of your closest friends or family who are also members. Members are also taught to rat our their brethren for any perceived slights as well. They will literally make you wait outside the building like an animal while your own family member gets married inside or whatever. Oh wait, it's -15 degrees outside in Utah like it is for a good 6-7 months of the year? Hope you brought a coat, sinner. Maybe your next Temple Recommend interview will be acceptable. These buildings are also usually big enough to have entry halls and other places where you could easily be away from the ceremonies, by the way. But nah. Wait outside. Maybe if the church is lucky, people will see you not inside too, which should teach you to do better next time.

This puts unbelievable pressure on basically all mormons to button up and behave 24/7, which includes not doing anything the church would consider sexually deviant (like enjoying it too much), and paying up on time, every time. Or you don't get to go to heaven.

I've seen first hand the ridiculously high anxiety this causes basically everyone involved and it's pretty sick. Utah has more anti-depressant prescriptions per capita than any other state in the country, for example. And the most porn usage. Not that that's bad according to me or anything, but for a culture that pushes "sexual purity" as a pillar of their belief system, it's pretty loving telling.

tl;dr: gently caress mormons.

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 17, 2019

Edgar
Sep 9, 2005

Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!
Wedge Regret
When I got married in the temple and had to get my recommend, I just did what others do, lie. I'm not giving them my money or admitting my sinful ways.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

GreatGreen posted:

Mormons are loving bonkers. I've lived in Utah and can 100% confirm this.

For example, you're not allowed to enter their holiest buildings, called Temples (different from their regular Sunday church buildings), unless you have a signed Temple Recommend document, which requires an interview with a Bishop (their name for what most people know as Priest or Pastor) where they ask you all kinds of outrageously personal poo poo like how much you make, if you're giving that absolutely required 10% share to the church, what your sexual habits are, etc.

If you fall short in that interview, you don't get your Temple Recommend, which means that according to your own religion, you can't attend the holiest rituals, including baptism or getting married, nor can you attend the baptism and marriage of any of your closest friends or family who are also members. Members are also taught to rat our their brethren for any perceived slights as well. They will literally make you wait outside the building like an animal while your own family member gets married inside or whatever. Oh wait, it's -15 degrees outside in Utah like it is for a good 6-7 months of the year? Hope you brought a coat, sinner. Maybe your next Temple Recommend interview will be acceptable. These buildings are also usually big enough to have entry halls and other places where you could easily be away from the ceremonies, by the way. But nah. Wait outside. Maybe if the church is lucky, people will see you not inside too, which should teach you to do better next time.

This puts unbelievable pressure on basically all mormons to button up and behave 24/7, which includes not doing anything the church would consider sexually deviant (like enjoying it too much), and paying up on time, every time. Or you don't get to go to heaven.

I've seen first hand the ridiculously high anxiety this causes basically everyone involved and it's pretty sick. Utah has more anti-depressant prescriptions per capita than any other state in the country, for example. And the most porn usage. Not that that's bad according to me or anything, but for a culture that pushes "sexual purity" as a pillar of their belief system, it's pretty loving telling.

tl;dr: gently caress mormons.

This really isn't all that different from most modern Christian churches, except for the physically barring you from the building.

Which I've always wondered, what would happen if you just went in anyway? What're they gonna do, send some pencil-neck missionary nerds to expel you?

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Who What Now posted:

This really isn't all that different from most modern Christian churches, except for the physically barring you from the building.

Which I've always wondered, what would happen if you just went in anyway? What're they gonna do, send some pencil-neck missionary nerds to expel you?

They will kick you out, forcibly, and call the police if you persist.

Mormons are grade-A loony cultists. So are Christians. All religious people are crazy in some way.

5er
Jun 1, 2000

Qapla' to a true warrior! :patriot:

my dog died im sad posted:

Sure, but it's not a required 10% of your paycheck like the Mormons.

Be fair; tithing is a practice utilized by many other denominations. Much like any business, it can depend on the franchise manager.

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
lol your entire state is being surrounded by weed and it's coming to turn your daughters into weed sluts. eat me mormons

GreenaBoy
Jan 7, 2005

I like to fart in the bathtub and bite the bubbles...GRAVITAS!!!

GreatGreen posted:

Mormons are loving bonkers. I've lived in Utah and can 100% confirm this.

For example, you're not allowed to enter their holiest buildings, called Temples (different from their regular Sunday church buildings), unless you have a signed Temple Recommend document, which requires an interview with a Bishop (their name for what most people know as Priest or Pastor) where they ask you all kinds of outrageously personal poo poo like how much you make, if you're giving that absolutely required 10% share to the church, what your sexual habits are, etc.

If you fall short in that interview, you don't get your Temple Recommend, which means that according to your own religion, you can't attend the holiest rituals, including baptism or getting married, nor can you attend the baptism and marriage of any of your closest friends or family who are also members. Members are also taught to rat our their brethren for any perceived slights as well. They will literally make you wait outside the building like an animal while your own family member gets married inside or whatever. Oh wait, it's -15 degrees outside in Utah like it is for a good 6-7 months of the year? Hope you brought a coat, sinner. Maybe your next Temple Recommend interview will be acceptable. These buildings are also usually big enough to have entry halls and other places where you could easily be away from the ceremonies, by the way. But nah. Wait outside. Maybe if the church is lucky, people will see you not inside too, which should teach you to do better next time.

This puts unbelievable pressure on basically all mormons to button up and behave 24/7, which includes not doing anything the church would consider sexually deviant (like enjoying it too much), and paying up on time, every time. Or you don't get to go to heaven.

I've seen first hand the ridiculously high anxiety this causes basically everyone involved and it's pretty sick. Utah has more anti-depressant prescriptions per capita than any other state in the country, for example. And the most porn usage. Not that that's bad according to me or anything, but for a culture that pushes "sexual purity" as a pillar of their belief system, it's pretty loving telling.

tl;dr: gently caress mormons.

You can still see baptisms if you want. You just can't see them do the baptism for the dead. It's pretty much the same but they say somebody else's name in place of yours. But they also do it in a big tub on top of gold oxen. After you do that you sit in a small room and watch Johnny Lingo on a really worn VHS tape over and over until everybody is done. The best quotable line is, "Mahana you ugly!"

I went to the mormon Oakland temple and did this when I was 14. There was some sort of mix up with me and I was led through an area I wasn't really supposed to see yet. And it was a bunch of old people and some were hooked up to oxygen. It was like heavens waiting room.

When I got married I couldn't do it in the temple because my wife wasn't mormon yet too.

Also I barely paid my tithing when I was mormon. I hated tithing settlement meetings. They would meet with you every year to go over your tithes just to guilt you that much more. Actually I hated all mormon meetings.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

GreatGreen posted:

tl;dr: gently caress mormons.

Based upon what you’re saying it sounds like the Mormons don’t gently caress, OP!

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

GreenaBoy posted:


Also I barely paid my tithing when I was mormon. I hated tithing settlement meetings. They would meet with you every year to go over your tithes just to guilt you that much more. Actually I hated all mormon meetings.

Don't gloss over this. It's not normal to put children into a room to shake them down over birthday and chore money.

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
Goddamn religion is so sickening, I'm glad the stranglehold is starting to ease.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Blast of Confetti posted:

hmm maybe read the bible on what jesus thinks about money in temples

oh wait this is the group whose book says the first natives were white lol who the gently caress knows what they say about jesus

John 2:13-17 posted:


13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 How dare you put money into the house of God rather than proper high-yield municipal bonds, high-performing commodities and market-matching index funds!"


I'm sorry but they seem to be on pretty solid theological ground here

ANUSTART
Jun 26, 2013


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- Wisdom of the ages.
I went with my grandparents to the secondary Big Tabernacle in SLC once, not the primary "you need the Official Church Recommendation and Interrogation" architecturally interesting one. It had like a little museum with fake wax Mormon Jesus statue creeping up to give That Good Word to Joseph Smith statue, with a button you could press that sets off the mood lighting and a less-than-smooth voice over giving you all the LORE, it may have been dialogue too idr. Then at the end was like a line of a bunch of Mormon missionaries from abroad doing their service in the US talk about saved they are and asking your personal belief, one by one. There were lots of asian countries.

It was weird, thanks for reading :)

($100,000,000,000)

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
so there are obviously a lot of downsides to being a mormon but nobody is talking about all the great benefits!
- standardized underwear
-

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
This is a joke as old as this dumbfuck religion but someone needs to explain how 10 kids without coffee and booze isn't hell

Derpies
Mar 11, 2014

by sebmojo

GreatGreen posted:

Mormons are loving bonkers. I've lived in Utah and can 100% confirm this.

For example, you're not allowed to enter their holiest buildings, called Temples (different from their regular Sunday church buildings), unless you have a signed Temple Recommend document, which requires an interview with a Bishop (their name for what most people know as Priest or Pastor) where they ask you all kinds of outrageously personal poo poo like how much you make, if you're giving that absolutely required 10% share to the church, what your sexual habits are, etc.

If you fall short in that interview, you don't get your Temple Recommend, which means that according to your own religion, you can't attend the holiest rituals, including baptism or getting married, nor can you attend the baptism and marriage of any of your closest friends or family who are also members. Members are also taught to rat our their brethren for any perceived slights as well. They will literally make you wait outside the building like an animal while your own family member gets married inside or whatever. Oh wait, it's -15 degrees outside in Utah like it is for a good 6-7 months of the year? Hope you brought a coat, sinner. Maybe your next Temple Recommend interview will be acceptable. These buildings are also usually big enough to have entry halls and other places where you could easily be away from the ceremonies, by the way. But nah. Wait outside. Maybe if the church is lucky, people will see you not inside too, which should teach you to do better next time.

This puts unbelievable pressure on basically all mormons to button up and behave 24/7, which includes not doing anything the church would consider sexually deviant (like enjoying it too much), and paying up on time, every time. Or you don't get to go to heaven.

I've seen first hand the ridiculously high anxiety this causes basically everyone involved and it's pretty sick. Utah has more anti-depressant prescriptions per capita than any other state in the country, for example. And the most porn usage. Not that that's bad according to me or anything, but for a culture that pushes "sexual purity" as a pillar of their belief system, it's pretty loving telling.

tl;dr: gently caress mormons.

Utah goon here, and yes this is all right and probably even worse. I'm the only person in my work at a "Management" equivalent level that isn't a 14th level Bishop, and I have for sure hit the glass ceiling hard because of it.

Derpies
Mar 11, 2014

by sebmojo

HONG KONG SLUMLORD posted:

Based upon what you’re saying it sounds like the Mormons don’t gently caress, OP!

If Tinder when I was single was any indicator, they do gently caress and have a lot of oopsie whoopsie babies before they turn 21/22.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
That’s a poo poo ton of money to blow on hookers and booze.

Derpies
Mar 11, 2014

by sebmojo

Burt Sexual posted:

That’s a poo poo ton of money to blow on hookers and booze.

Sadly very few liquor retailers and hookers have the temple recommend, so can't go in the secret weird sex rooms.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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The mormon girls from my hometown are all hot. I don't know how this happened

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

GreatGreen posted:

Mormons are loving bonkers. I've lived in Utah and can 100% confirm this.

For example, you're not allowed to enter their holiest buildings, called Temples (different from their regular Sunday church buildings), unless you have a signed Temple Recommend document, which requires an interview with a Bishop (their name for what most people know as Priest or Pastor) where they ask you all kinds of outrageously personal poo poo like how much you make, if you're giving that absolutely required 10% share to the church, what your sexual habits are, etc.

If you fall short in that interview, you don't get your Temple Recommend, which means that according to your own religion, you can't attend the holiest rituals, including baptism or getting married, nor can you attend the baptism and marriage of any of your closest friends or family who are also members. Members are also taught to rat our their brethren for any perceived slights as well. They will literally make you wait outside the building like an animal while your own family member gets married inside or whatever. Oh wait, it's -15 degrees outside in Utah like it is for a good 6-7 months of the year? Hope you brought a coat, sinner. Maybe your next Temple Recommend interview will be acceptable. These buildings are also usually big enough to have entry halls and other places where you could easily be away from the ceremonies, by the way. But nah. Wait outside. Maybe if the church is lucky, people will see you not inside too, which should teach you to do better next time.

This puts unbelievable pressure on basically all mormons to button up and behave 24/7, which includes not doing anything the church would consider sexually deviant (like enjoying it too much), and paying up on time, every time. Or you don't get to go to heaven.

I've seen first hand the ridiculously high anxiety this causes basically everyone involved and it's pretty sick. Utah has more anti-depressant prescriptions per capita than any other state in the country, for example. And the most porn usage. Not that that's bad according to me or anything, but for a culture that pushes "sexual purity" as a pillar of their belief system, it's pretty loving telling.

tl;dr: gently caress mormons.

Good write up, op.

I live in a state adjacent to Utah with a decent Mormon population and have several close family members who are LDS, two of whom converted as adults :psyboom:, so have experienced a bit of this but not to that level of detail.

I sent them this article yesterday and when. I mention things like this, they whataboutism"how is that so different from other churches and religions?!" which is not the point. It was a long and unpleasant conversation, particularly when they said tithing was not mandatory and I reiterated that while that may not be the FORMAL stance, they can certainly do all kinds of poo poo informally to make you a 2nd class citizen or guilt trip to cough up your 10%. The phrase "Mormon Guilt" was also mentioned, which I had never heard before (Catholic/Jewish Guilt, sure) which is apparently a different concept as I understand it.

What a strange world.

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

The mormon girls from my hometown are all hot. I don't know how this happened

Also yes, the women can be incredibly hot. Which makes the drat situation even more infuriating.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

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old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
Give me a billion and I'll stop badmouthing your retarded cult how bout that?

Derpies
Mar 11, 2014

by sebmojo

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

The mormon girls from my hometown are all hot. I don't know how this happened

Plastic Surgery. Once you pop out your 7 kids by 23 you have someone put everything back together for you. I think Utah/LDS folks only trail Brazil in fake boobs per capita.

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




they’re holding onto it to help their members out. it’s easier to get into heaven as a poor.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
Mormons have all kinds of allegorical devices for combating non-belief, too.

Mormons have this idea they all refer to as "the shelf" which is where you "place all your doubts and unanswerable questions for now so that you can graciously answer them yourself later, when you have more faith" because of course these questions are bad and are your own fault because of your lack of faith. I mean how could you show such disrespect and lack of appreciation for all this that Heavenly Father has given you, you spoiled brat. When your faith is stronger, you'll be able to pick these bad thoughts back up off the shelf and reconcile them.

Ask an ex-mormon about what specifically it was that "broke their shelf" and they will know exactly what you're talking about and have an answer ready for discussion right then and there.

sticksy posted:

Also yes, the women can be incredibly hot. Which makes the drat situation even more infuriating.

I can confirm this too. Utah women, hoo boy. Don't be fooled though. The hotness will never be worth what you'd have to deal with along with it.

Mormon women have been raised form birth to be totally submissive and subservient to their husbands, which will launch an already attractive women into the attractiveness stratosphere for the guys into that, so you tend to see a lot of women born into mormonism married to male adult converts to get in on that hot action. "Flirt to Convert" they say. No really. They actually say that.

HOWEVER, those guys are suckers and don't realize that even if you were to date or even marry one, it probably won't be worth it. That submissiveness and subservience is reserved for mormon holy men second, but God always first. That sexual purity (guilt) they've been taught their entire lives doesn't just magically poof out of existence the moment they get hitched. Picture the hottest girl you can imagine. Now picture her being sheepish, drawn-in, uninterested, and even actively worried in the bedroom or in almost any sexual situation. All the time. She refuses to engage in any sexual attitude other than "quiet complacency" and actively feels guilty afterwards to the point where there's basically always a non-zero chance you'll have to talk them down from crying because what if they did something God might not approve of or had any thought of anything more sexual or animalistic than "I love my husband and this makes me feel 'emotionally closer' to him." Literally anything more sexual slips into their heads and your night is over. Get ready to provide some strong emotional support to a crying partner for the rest of the night after a few minutes of some relatively agreeable missionary-position-only action.

Mormon husbands are just as bad but in a different way. They will berate their wives for being impure whores for having any interest in sexuality at all. "Are you straying from the holy spirit, honey? We need to talk, I'm getting worried that you might be headed down the path of unrighteousness" is something a mormon wife might actually hear in casual conversation with their supposedly human husbands. Yes, they actually talk like that a lot of the time in real human conversation, parroting those tell-tale religious words and phrases in that recognizable way only the most devoutly religious do.

And, because mormon boys and girls are basically segregated from birth for the parents' fear of them sluttin' it up for each other all the time, men and women often have no idea how to communicate these already unhealthy messages with each other, which just compounds the problem. Each sex thinks the other's mind is an impenetrable, alien landscape of which they can never fathom, so why even try? Watching them talk to each other is like reading awkwardly written Jane Austen fan fiction. It's nuts. Basically there would be zero naturally occurring mormons without the dating programs the church puts all of them into (called "Singles Wards") and all the religious pressure to get married and have as many kids as possible as the absolute #1 life priority.

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Dec 17, 2019

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
thats a lot of tacos

live mas

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

GreatGreen posted:

Mormons have all kinds of allegorical devices for combating non-belief, too.

Mormons have this idea they all refer to as "the shelf" which is where you "place all your doubts and unanswerable questions for now so that you can graciously answer them yourself later, when you have more faith" because of course these questions are bad and are your own fault because of your lack of faith. I mean how could you show such disrespect and lack of appreciation for all this that Heavenly Father has given you, you spoiled brat. When your faith is stronger, you'll be able to pick these bad thoughts back up off the shelf and reconcile them.

Ask an ex-mormon about what specifically it was that "broke their shelf" and they will know exactly what you're talking about and have an answer ready for discussion right then and there.

hollerin and wailin like a real big bitch for attention in the grocery store hoping one of the store associates will come ask what's wrong and when they finally do ill tell them i can't reach the hamburger helper on the top shelf

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




what broke your shelf? the creepy, misogynistic polygamist compound culture? the joseph smith origin story that’s ridiculous even by the low standard set by other mainstream religions? the long history of racism? sex abuse? the special underwear?

what? no... i just wanted to be able to drink coffee

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

gonna laff when Utah becomes a boiling deathland from climate change, and the Mormons are forced into other states, where hopefully they'll be treated like a plague and forced to spend huge amounts of dollar to be allowed to tumorize communities with their doctrine of hatred

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
i pass by the birthplace of joseph smith sometimes

i'm glad he decided to found his loony cult way off on the other side of the country

milkingmycow
Mar 28, 2008

by Cyrano4747
I tah, you tah, we all tah together.

There's an ok documentary about a guy living in the desert in a bunch of trailers with 13 wives and 37 children. Forget the title though. The crew was British and I saw it on the Real Stories channel on YouTube.

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Nov 10, 2009

Eat my ass
Are Mormons worse than Jehovah's?

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