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Who What Now posted:It just a silly thing to be worried about when we passed the tipping point ages ago. It's like the people who were afraid of cell antennas melting their balls when the air has been chock full of radio waves and poo poo for years. well you went from one thing to the other. Irony, I presume. Bad sell, at that.
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Captain Beans posted:it’s just an adult toy that people want to get to show off or feel important because they have the latest poo poo, just like buying the newer iPhone or whatever You know you can get them for 20 bucks? They're not a status symbol at all. I have a bunch because they're cheap and it is cool to be able to just say "play this song" and it immediately plays.
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Dec 26, 2019 18:21
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The "internet of things" poo poo is absolutely terrifying, and unlike a smartphone, not necessary at all. I just read "In the Age of Surveillance Capitalism" and yeah, I'm never buying any of this stuff. Your speakers, appliances, thermostat, etc. work perfectly fine without any sort of internet connection.
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heh caring about your privacy being compromised by your trivial consumer devices? how self-important  I just regularly goatse all my cameras to give any potential spies a little treat 
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realbez posted:I don’t understand the appeal. Why let google, amazon or apple spy on you even more than they already do? I get that they already know so much about us all, but these are devices that openly spy on you. Surely it is obvious that there is a reason they are so cheap. People put these things in every room, including the rooms of children. Why would you do that? It seems insane to me. realbez posted:On a related topic don’t send your DNA to those ancestry websites What's even better than people willingly bugging their own homes is when people send their DNA in to private companies and don't realize that the agreement they sign when they do that means that the private company now actually owns all of the DNA sequences that they send in. Telebite fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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Dec 26, 2019 18:29
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We're all hosed anyway in this hell dimension. Who gives a poo poo?
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realbez posted:I don’t understand the appeal. Why let google, amazon or apple spy on you even more than they already do? I get that they already know so much about us all, but these are devices that openly spy on you. Surely it is obvious that there is a reason they are so cheap. People put these things in every room, including the rooms of children. Why would you do that? It seems insane to me. Because people don't give a poo poo op. Do you cover your face whenever you're in view of public security cameras? Or downgrade to a clamshell phone when whistleblowers revealed the extent of telecom collaboration with the nsa? Why not??
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Kazak posted:Because people don't give a poo poo op. Kazak posted:Because Actually no because putting up public security cameras are illegal as gently caress where I live but if it wasn't then no I would still not have an expectation of privacy when out in public. Nastyman fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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Dec 26, 2019 18:36
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Your smart phone is also spying on you and that's in the privacy of your home
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Leon Einstein posted:You know you can get them for 20 bucks? They're not a status symbol at all. probably should have worded that differently. I see them more like how people use clothing fashion to display their ‘style’. it’s like a way to show that you are into electronics and new tech
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realbez posted:I don’t understand the appeal. Why let google, amazon or apple spy on you even more than they already do? I get that they already know so much about us all, but these are devices that openly spy on you. Surely it is obvious that there is a reason they are so cheap. People put these things in every room, including the rooms of children. Why would you do that? It seems insane to me. i have surround sound now plus idgaf who is spying on me. im not sure why anyone thinks they're important enough to deserve any special attention.
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"yes all of these giant tech companies should be paying ME for my data, not getting it for free based on my usage of their services. the lineup starts here and the going rate is $50k/secret" -people who are afraid of 'smart' stuff
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Kazak posted:Your smart phone is also spying on you and that's in the privacy of your home And if I had my way we would all be back to using dumb bricks but we choose the battles we can win. I don't need to pay Amazon for the privilige of letting them spy on me in order to function in society. And for the record as soon as I get home I launch that motherfucker in the opposite direction. I have real computers, thank you very much.
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Nastyman posted:And if I had my way we would all be back to using dumb bricks but we choose the battles we can win. I don't need to pay Amazon for the privilige of letting them spy on me in order to function in society. You can go back to the dumb phone anytime you want. high roading others for going one step further than the arbitrary line you've drawn is hypocritical and not productive
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Dec 26, 2019 18:51
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Big Beef City posted:well you went from one thing to the other. I meant the number of devices that could potentially "spy" on you has reached a tipping point. You can't escape it unless you become a Luddite.
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Kazak posted:You can go back to the dumb phone anytime you want. high roading others for going one step further than the arbitrary line you've drawn is hypocritical and not productive I'm not high roading poo poo, I'm stuck with this crap same as everyone else. I'm allowed to say it sucks the chrome off a trailer hitch. Don't be a disingenuous troll by suggesting that going back in a purely smart phone world isn't going to negatively impact me.
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Dec 26, 2019 18:53
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If you want to be mad at the megacorps be mad that they employ slave labor and are sucking the planet dry, not that they know how bad you sing when you're alone in your home.
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Smart phones are necessary. I have yet to hear a good argument about how these things are necessary. Also, last time I was around somebody requesting Alexa play a song (that Mickey Mouse hot dog song) it kept playing Limp Bizkit or something else decidedly not Disney.
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Dec 26, 2019 19:00
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Nastyman posted:I'm not high roading poo poo, I'm stuck with this crap same as everyone else. I'm allowed to say it sucks the chrome off a trailer hitch. Don't be a disingenuous troll by suggesting that going back in a purely smart phone world isn't going to negatively impact me. Its one thing to say it sucks generally, its another to give people poo poo for sacrificing their privacy for personal convenience when you've also decided to also sacrifice your privacy for a level of convenience. That's my response to the op, and it ain't a troll
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Kazak posted:
Might I suggest quoting the people you're responding to then, rather than random strangers?
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In the kitchen it's really handy being able to just shout timers and measurement conversions into the air and get instant results without having to stop what you're doing and push buttons and get food mess from your fingers all over the buttons on the microwave
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Labes for days posted:Smart phones are necessary. I have yet to hear a good argument about how these things are necessary. Also, last time I was around somebody requesting Alexa play a song (that Mickey Mouse hot dog song) it kept playing Limp Bizkit or something else decidedly not Disney. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYvFxs32zvQ
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Nastyman posted:Might I suggest quoting the people you're responding to then, rather than random strangers? You responded to my post though
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Dec 26, 2019 19:06
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Actually you should all stop working, paying taxes, and band together to kill the ultra rich, hth
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poverty goat posted:In the kitchen it's really handy being able to just shout timers and measurement conversions into the air and get instant results without having to stop what you're doing and push buttons and get food mess from your fingers all over the buttons on the microwave that’s actually a pretty good use for them, can you have the speakers do those kinds of things with all the internet shut turned off?
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btw in case anybody didnt realize if you have a couple of these things you can rig them together as a speaker group and play the same music throughout the house like you're 1980's rich it rules
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GolfHole posted:btw in case anybody didnt realize amazon charges an extra subscription to do this after you've bought hundreds of dollars worth of alexas Captain Beans posted:that’s actually a pretty good use for them, can you have the speakers do those kinds of things with all the internet shut turned off? alexa can't do poo poo offline except recognize her own name and tell you your internet is down. the main reason amazon gets recordings of all your alexa interactions is that the tiny low-power CPU that makes alexa possible for under $600 isn't nearly enough to interpret natural language voice commands so everything after "Alexa" is streamed to a server somewhere for processing in realtime to figure out what you want it to do poverty goat fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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Telebite posted:What's even better than people willingly bugging their own homes is when people send their DNA in to private companies and don't realize that the agreement they sign when they do that means that the private company now actually owns all of the DNA sequences that they send in. So, what's the downside of this?
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I smile contently to myself that long after I am dead, that my porn and shopping habits will be stored on dozens of servers around the world forever.
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poverty goat posted:amazon charges an extra subscription to do this after you've bought hundreds of dollars worth of alexas i have googool
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Kazak posted:Your smart phone is also spying on you and that's in the privacy of your home The problem is smart phones have became a de facto requirement for many jobs, so it's not as easy as just switching to a flip phone. For mine when we switched to multi-factor authentication, they told us we had to install an app, so we not only have to have a smartphone, but always have it with us. actionjackson fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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OxMan posted:Actually you should all stop working, paying taxes, and band together to kill the ultra rich, hth sure right after i ask Alexa how I can accomplish that
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actionjackson posted:The problem is smart phones have became a de facto requirement for many jobs, so it's not as easy as just switching to a flip phone. What's your line of work?
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Kazak posted:What's your line of work? I work for a combined academic health center and hospital system. I have access to PHI, both through my computers and sending/receiving through email. The university switched to MFA for everyone though, i.e. all students, staff, faculty for whatever reason. Listen I loving hate smartphones, but you'd be trolling if you tried to say that they haven't become a requirement for many people, wayyyy more than the "internet of things" stuff. Also the level at which these phones and their apps invade privacy is intentionally buried in 100 page terms of service. actionjackson fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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actionjackson posted:The problem is smart phones have became a de facto requirement for many jobs, so it's not as easy as just switching to a flip phone. Same, and they used to pay for it so could separate personal poo poo on my private phone. Now it’s like a 40$ stipend, byod yeaaay. They installed like 10 apps as well.
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Remember when people thought robot assistants would be helpful and make the World a better place? When actually, in Hell World Future, they are all just poorly disguised surveillance devices. Also lol if you are an idiot who says "Well actually I have nothing to hide so it's fine!!"
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I'm gonna put one in the toilet so I can inception gong a tampon change
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actionjackson posted:I work for a combined academic health center and hospital system. I have access to PHI, both through my computers and sending/receiving through email. The university switched to MFA for everyone though, i.e. all students, staff, faculty for whatever reason. I concede that smartphones are not on the same level of necessity as IoT appliances, but I stand by my point that criticizing the consumer for purchasing a government tapped device is misguided and counterproductive. if the goal is to remove government surveillance from our lives then it won't be accomplished through selective purchasing choices.
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