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The_Franz posted:windows desktop is just bad now and getting worse. they've given up all pretenses of being anything but a bootloader for office and games You don't use a computer to use the os, you use it to do things
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Dec 28, 2019 16:33
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linux is The One True Operating System (TOTOS) as given to us by our lord and savior st iGNUcious
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Dec 28, 2019 16:35
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for real though if you're doing backend work or you're into embedded systems, linux is where it's at - even with all of its bullshit
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Dec 28, 2019 16:36
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still amazes me that people don't find windows frustrating and obnoxious to use linux is a fine daily driver, especially when i'm at home and my largest needs are 'can i stream something from shudder or hulu or whatever? i can? cool great' or 'can i play this game in steam? oh right of course i can' giving someone a computer soon and you know they're getting that poo poo preinstalled with a lunix and steam to demonstrate that, yeah, you probably don't need a windows license for a whole lot of use cases
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Dec 28, 2019 19:08
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nah, the operating system is a piece of poo poo.
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Dec 28, 2019 19:10
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Kazinsal posted:i3 users should just get a pdp-11 and a whack of vt100s. they'd get the same experience and wouldn't be able to post on the internet about how good using the X equivalent of gnu screen is
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Dec 28, 2019 19:49
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just lol if you use gnu screen over tmux get with the times, gramps
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Dec 28, 2019 20:08
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i like both one reason to use screen is to not get a stupid green bar at the bottom and before anyone wheezes in, no, im not gonna janitor a config for such a thing
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Dec 28, 2019 20:22
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psiox posted:still amazes me that people don't find windows frustrating and obnoxious to use idk, maybe some people like digging through vendor web sites for drivers, two control panels with settings buried 10 menus deep, every app having it's own bespoke update service, 1 gigabyte printer drivers that pop up huge fullscreen updates and litter the desktop with links to buy overpriced supplies and the inherent slowness that comes from oems filling default installs with 3 different security suite trials. then you have some vendors that use efi trickery to reinstall their bespoke crapware automatically even if you try to wipe things and start fresh does windows even come with a real pdf viewer yet, not counting that useless metro poo poo they shipped with 8?
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Dec 28, 2019 20:32
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The_Franz posted:idk, maybe some people like digging through vendor web sites for drivers, two control panels with settings buried 10 menus deep, every app having it's own bespoke update service, 1 gigabyte printer drivers that pop up huge fullscreen updates and litter the desktop with links to buy overpriced supplies and the inherent slowness that comes from oems filling default installs with 3 different security suite trials. then you have some vendors that use efi trickery to reinstall their bespoke crapware automatically even if you try to wipe things and start fresh non of this ever happens unless you are the type of person who buys computers from supermarkets
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Dec 28, 2019 20:34
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Neslepaks posted:i like both if you're posting in yospos and refer to one line in a config file as "janitoring" you might have taken a wrong turn at albuquerque
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Dec 28, 2019 20:38
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im trying to imagine the proficiency level of somebody that opens a terminal window and types things but absolutely will not make any modifications to whatever default configs yum jammed in their dotfiles
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Dec 28, 2019 20:39
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The_Franz posted:idk, maybe some people like digging through vendor web sites for drivers, two control panels with settings buried 10 menus deep, every app having it's own bespoke update service, 1 gigabyte printer drivers that pop up huge fullscreen updates and litter the desktop with links to buy overpriced supplies and the inherent slowness that comes from oems filling default installs with 3 different security suite trials. then you have some vendors that use efi trickery to reinstall their bespoke crapware automatically even if you try to wipe things and start fresh you might be bad at computers op
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Dec 28, 2019 20:44
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just because you can janitor a computer doesn’t mean you should
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Dec 28, 2019 21:24
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i left a linux on the laptop that I gave to my sister she put windows 7 on it at some point instead linux has failed
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Dec 28, 2019 21:35
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Jonny 290 posted:im trying to imagine the proficiency level of somebody that opens a terminal window and types things but absolutely will not make any modifications to whatever default configs yum jammed in their dotfiles screen and tmux are for running crap on rando computers. thats literally what theyre for. lol i u think im gonna keep a config on 600 systems
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Dec 28, 2019 22:15
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Neslepaks posted:screen and tmux are for running crap on rando computers. thats literally what theyre for. lol i u think im gonna keep a config on 600 systems what sort of garbage dumpster op do you work at that doesnt have home directory structures pushed via central management? yall just renting aws clusters and slapping the Amazon Linux button and telling people you're a "cloud" company?
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Dec 28, 2019 22:35
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Jonny 290 posted:what sort of garbage dumpster op do you work at that doesnt have home directory structures pushed via central management? yall just renting aws clusters and slapping the Amazon Linux button and telling people you're a "cloud" company? 
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Dec 28, 2019 22:56
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Jonny 290 posted:what sort of garbage dumpster op do you work at that doesnt have home directory structures pushed via central management? yall just renting aws clusters and slapping the Amazon Linux button and telling people you're a "cloud" company? yes
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Dec 28, 2019 23:25
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nerds love to enforce their preferences on everyone else, because it makes them feel "correct" and superior. this is why they demand that every aspect of a program's functionality be configurable and also refuse to ever configure anything
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Dec 28, 2019 23:26
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applies to so many companies posting because i was gaming in windows and needed to reboot into linux but it is “getting windows ready” which will take who knows how long because gently caress you
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Dec 28, 2019 23:29
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carry on then posted:nerds love to enforce their preferences on everyone else, because it makes them feel "correct" and superior. this is why they demand that every aspect of a program's functionality be configurable and also refuse to ever configure anything i have to admit, i’m still rollin’ on a company vim config from a few years back because it is a good one and i’m lazy
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Dec 28, 2019 23:31
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The_Franz posted:idk, maybe some people like digging through vendor web sites for drivers, two control panels with settings buried 10 menus deep, every app having it's own bespoke update service, 1 gigabyte printer drivers that pop up huge fullscreen updates and litter the desktop with links to buy overpriced supplies and the inherent slowness that comes from oems filling default installs with 3 different security suite trials. then you have some vendors that use efi trickery to reinstall their bespoke crapware automatically even if you try to wipe things and start fresh this should be first post
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Dec 29, 2019 00:13
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Jonny 290 posted:what sort of garbage dumpster op do you work at that doesnt have home directory structures pushed via central management? yall just renting aws clusters and slapping the Amazon Linux button and telling people you're a "cloud" company? replicating /home, or worse using NFS, is a terrible idea. anything that makes ssh easier or more pleasant should be avoided
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Dec 29, 2019 00:16
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chef or whatever config management system will do it just fine. It's not a terrible idea at all. i don't think masochist hot takes about how we should have to work harder when we do our jobs is valid tbh. that's validating the antiquated RMS/ESR 'techno-priesthood' model and is reactionary and anti-labor.
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Dec 29, 2019 01:07
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Poopernickel posted:linux is The One True Operating System (TOTOS) as given to us by our lord and savior st iGNUcious that guy is an Epstein defender among other creepy things.
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Dec 29, 2019 01:49
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akadajet posted:that guy is an Epstein defender among other creepy things. its bc he wants to gently caress kids hth op
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Dec 29, 2019 01:50
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since IBM owns Linux now I can’t wait for them to rename it l/OS
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Dec 29, 2019 02:09
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akadajet posted:that guy is an Epstein defender among other creepy things. rms is a sort of a creep, no doubting it - he's not an epstein defender at all though, that's 100% wrong and it's a hatchet job what he said was that marvin minsky (a prof at MIT who hooked up with a couple of epstein's girls) probably didn't know they were coerced into being there very different statement than defending epstein (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 29, 2019 02:47
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so just a plain sex weirdo instead of a mega sex weirdo
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Dec 29, 2019 02:56
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matti posted:so just a plain sex weirdo instead of a mega sex weirdo yes
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Dec 29, 2019 02:56
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rms has some weird and bad opinions, also he's maybe a creep and probably not a good spokesperson for free software but he also wrote the GPL and he wrote the original gcc, gdb, gnu make, gnu emacs, some of binutils, and some of coreutils. Linux as we know it wouldn't exist without him. we should appreciate him as a deeply flawed man who forever changed what it means to be a software engineer
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Dec 29, 2019 03:11
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Poopernickel posted:rms is a sort of a creep, no doubting it - he's not an epstein defender at all though, that's 100% wrong and it's a hatchet job 
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Dec 29, 2019 03:12
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Poopernickel posted:but he also wrote the GPL and he wrote the original gcc, gdb, gnu make, gnu emacs, some of binutils, and some of coreutils. Linux as we know it wouldn't exist without him. this is not the endorsement of his legacy you seem to think it is
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Dec 29, 2019 03:42
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this thread is not about RMS
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Dec 29, 2019 04:36
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Jonny 290 posted:chef or whatever config management system will do it just fine. It's not a terrible idea at all. nah the point is to discourage relying on ssh. if you need to ssh somewhere then at least two things have gone wrong: the problem that’s causing you to use ssh, and the fact that you need ssh to debug or fix the problem. it’s also one more thing that can get hosed up and need fixing. so yeah ideally I can take the id of the Amazon-provided AMI, boot a bunch of instances from it, ship all the interesting metrics and events off the node, terminate the ones that misbehave, and investigate the next morning.
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Dec 29, 2019 05:10
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Captain Foo posted:this thread is not about RMS i am enjoying watching poopernickel eating their whole foot. can they get up to the knee before realizing what they’re doing and logging off?
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Dec 29, 2019 05:12
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psiox posted:
nice, did you make this decision while wearing the black tee that says no i won't fix your computer or the one that says stand back.... it's time to try science
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Dec 29, 2019 05:44
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i use linux to run windows VMs 
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Do Not Fear Jazz posted:i use linux to run windows VMs esxi is legit
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