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Who is the #1 Overall Pick
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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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IcePhoenix posted:

Does he overpower them because of athleticism or because he's older and thus has had the time to put on way more muscle than anyone he's going against

the age is a worry in terms of his ceiling but at least vertically he's an insanely good athlete. Can't move side to side though.

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Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

Declan MacManus posted:

toppin grades out to be a pretty good stretch 4 whoís a disaster on defense; you donít want him in the low post

I was trying to think of physical comparisons to Toppin and really couldn't, I had to use nbadraft.net's comps. He really has the body of Shawn Marion, another widebody man with an abnormally short neck that makes his listed height smaller than his playing height, which is like 6'9 vs 6'11 for both of them. Obviously Marion was a much more versatile athlete, but they both have that "jump over a 6'8 man" pop and strong strenfff

Dutchy
Jul 8, 2010


MourningView posted:

Joe would be really awesome next to Luka. He's still pretty low on most boards so maybe a guy to target at 31.

what's the deal with this guy, now that the Mavs are good again it's time for me to revive my yearly ritual of knowing even less about the draft than I do when they're bad, but falling in love with one very specific prospect that might be available, they don't draft, and doesn't pan out anyway

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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Dutchy posted:

what's the deal with this guy, now that the Mavs are good again it's time for me to revive my yearly ritual of knowing even less about the draft than I do when they're bad, but falling in love with one very specific prospect that might be available, they don't draft, and doesn't pan out anyway

This what I wrote about him earlier. He's in the 40s or lower on most mainstream boards but I think it you can get him in the early second it's a steal. I would happily take him in the 20s.

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Isaiah Joe: just a killer shooter. Didn't have a great percentage this year but I don't think that is indicative of his skill as a shooter. He shot really well from 3 as a freshman and had been a great free throw shooter both years, and he's absolutely fearless and takes an absurd number of attempts. He is among the best guys in this class at flying around a screen, catching and firing, and he takes a lot of wild off the dribble attempts from deep which he shouldn't do in the NBA, but being willing to shoot is usually a good sign for shooting projection. Also a pretty solid passer and a better defender than he probably should be given how skinny he is.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch



Dejan Bimble posted:

I was trying to think of physical comparisons to Toppin and really couldn't, I had to use nbadraft.net's comps. He really has the body of Shawn Marion, another widebody man with an abnormally short neck that makes his listed height smaller than his playing height, which is like 6'9 vs 6'11 for both of them. Obviously Marion was a much more versatile athlete, but they both have that "jump over a 6'8 man" pop and strong strenfff

problem is a lot of marion's value came from his ability to defend 1-4 which was in large part due to his lateral quickness which uh lmao that ain't obi

physical comparisons aside i think obi will end up offensively in a similar spot to spencer hawes or brad miller in terms of where his shots are coming from and how he's getting his offense, just weighted much higher towards 3s (naturally) and with a higher volume along with some sickkkk dunks

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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he can shoot but most of his points are going to come as a roll man probably

Like someone else said, he's John Collins if Collins could dibble and pass a little

MourningView fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Oct 5, 2020

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

Declan MacManus posted:

problem is a lot of marion's value came from his ability to defend 1-4 which was in large part due to his lateral quickness which uh lmao that ain't obi

physical comparisons aside i think obi will end up offensively in a similar spot to spencer hawes or brad miller in terms of where his shots are coming from and how he's getting his offense, just weighted much higher towards 3s (naturally) and with a higher volume along with some sickkkk dunks

And there are a lot of guys in this draft who can really move their feet. It's definitely a bet the field vs the favorites sort of draft, but predicting which of these similar guys is going to be hard

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Dikembe's son committed to Georgetown, any buzz other than his lineage

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch



El Gallinero Gros posted:

Dikembe's son committed to Georgetown, any buzz other than his lineage

rsci has him at #95 and rivals has him at #108, not even kind of a maybe blip on the nba radar right now but still a solid college basketball recruit

protip: if you're wondering how highly recruited a high school basketball player is or was ranked, "[player name] rsci" will bring up the recruiting services consensus index, which is an aggregated ranking of where websites who specifically track how widely recruited a basketball player is

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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El Gallinero Gros posted:

Dikembe's son committed to Georgetown, any buzz other than his lineage

he's big and weirder things have happened but he's like barely a top 100 recruit. probably a nice college player though.

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.


Nap Ghost

I don't watch college or international ball so I don't know poo poo but I'm finding myself get irrationally hyped for the idea of the Celtics drafting Poku

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch



Salvor_Hardin posted:

I don't watch college or international ball so I don't know poo poo but I'm finding myself get irrationally hyped for the idea of the Celtics drafting Poku

he has a very low floor but a really, really, really high ceiling

heís the kind of swing for the fences the celtics should take

FakePoet
Feb 6, 2006

Woo. Pig. Sooie.




Hot Rope Guy

He strikes me as one of those guys that needs to end up in the right spot, wherever the hell that is. Part of me thinks it'd be fun if Dallas got him and I got to see him develop, and part of me wonders what Carlisle would think about him.

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs


MourningView posted:

This what I wrote about him earlier. He's in the 40s or lower on most mainstream boards but I think it you can get him in the early second it's a steal. I would happily take him in the 20s.

Joe is going to memphis, baby. Woooooo piiiiiig sooieeeeee

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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NickRoweFillea posted:

Joe is going to memphis, baby. Woooooo piiiiiig sooieeeeee

memphis only takes my most beloved draft sons so I assume Bane will somehow fall to 40 but this would work too.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001



Lol this draft is great shame there probably won't be a green room
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/st...214748196499456

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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As someone who still has him high I'm glad the Knicks don't want him

Cole is in like the 20s on the majority of public boards and mocks now so not that surprising really. I dunno, UNC was such a lovely situation and he was hurt. The high school tape is good and his AAU numbers are crazy. Maybe that's all on the age difference but I still have a hard time putting him that low in a draft like this If nothing else he's a very good shooter, I think he should at least be a decent sixth man or something at the worst.

MourningView fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Oct 9, 2020

ButtWolf
Dec 30, 2004

Hey, you want a toothpick?


Am I wrong in thinking he is more or less 6'3" IT? Instant offense. Probably wont ever be a star, but hey 17 pts off the bench is valuable.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch



ButtWolf posted:

Am I wrong in thinking he is more or less 6'3" IT? Instant offense. Probably wont ever be a star, but hey 17 pts off the bench is valuable.

6í3 isaiah thomas is a perennial all-star

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011



ButtWolf posted:

Am I wrong in thinking he is more or less 6'3" IT? Instant offense. Probably wont ever be a star, but hey 17 pts off the bench is valuable.

6'3" IT would be an All NBA candidate, way beyond 6th man.

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Nurk is good, actually

Grimey Drawer

Paul Zuvella posted:

6'3" IT would be an All NBA candidate, way beyond 6th man.

6'3 IT would basically be playoff Jamaal Murray.

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014



6í3 IT would be the greatest athlete in the history of sport

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014



WhyteRyce posted:

Lol this draft is great shame there probably won't be a green room
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/st...214748196499456

I donít think cole anthony is that much worse than anthony edwards so it would be funny if one goes #1 and the other drops out of the lottery

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011



Kibner posted:

6'3 IT would basically be playoff Jamaal Murray.

Closer to Dame Lillard, probably

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005


6'3 IT is Charles Barkley

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.


Nap Ghost

Doltos posted:

6'3 IT is Charles Barkley

lol

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch



i think cole anthony will actually be really good; he can shoot off the dribble and runs the pick and roll really well and has a lot of the same qualities that people liked about coby white who i think will also be really good in about two years

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Nurk is good, actually

Grimey Drawer

Declan MacManus posted:

i think cole anthony will actually be really good; he can shoot off the dribble and runs the pick and roll really well and has a lot of the same qualities that people liked about coby white who i think will also be really good in about two years

I wouldn't hate it if the Pels drafted him, tbh.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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Declan MacManus posted:

i think cole anthony will actually be really good; he can shoot off the dribble and runs the pick and roll really well and has a lot of the same qualities that people liked about coby white who i think will also be really good in about two years

Yeah they seem pretty similar but Cole has a better track record as a shooter. The finishing is a real worry but hard to know how much of that is the knee and UNC always playing with two stiffs parked under the basket cramping everything up. Also not sure he has the vision or passing to be a primary playmaker, which is kind of an issue given his size, but i'm fairly confident he's going to score.

Algund Eenboom posted:

I don’t think cole anthony is that much worse than anthony edwards so it would be funny if one goes #1 and the other drops out of the lottery

I kind of agree although I finally gave into peer pressure and bumped Edwards over him by a couple slots. I guess the difference would be that pretty much all of Ant's issues are with his approach and feel whereas Cole also has some physical limitations.

FakePoet
Feb 6, 2006

Woo. Pig. Sooie.




Hot Rope Guy

I have mild concerns that Dallas is going to go guard at 18. It isn't the end of the world or anything, but after the (dumb) trade back to take Roby instead of taking Gafford last year, I'm still going to be annoyed if they don't take the best wing there*. Turns out, he could've actually been useful when Powell got hurt. I wouldn't hate Kira Lewis if he fell that far, I suppose.

Maybe they'll make it up to me this year at 31 with one of our guys.

*(Not saying Gafford's a wing, that's just the Arkansas in me talking).

ButtWolf
Dec 30, 2004

Hey, you want a toothpick?


Declan MacManus posted:

6’3 isaiah thomas is a perennial all-star

To be clear, I meant more of "he'll produce similarly to not Celtics IT."

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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if you think he is going to produce like celtics IT he should be number one and like two tiers above everyone else

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch



and to be clear, thatís an extremely optimistic but not completely indefensible (but still pretty far on the margins) take

Katana_Warrior
Dec 25, 2009



id project cole anthony to maybe pistons reggie jackson before all the injuries, but with better rebounding and less defensive upside?

Katana_Warrior fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Oct 10, 2020

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

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Katana_Warrior posted:

id project cole anthony to maybe pistons reggie jackson before all the injuries, but with better rebounding and less defensive upside?

By playing defense at all he'll be a better defender than the Asthmatic Reggie Jackson. His whole thing is teetering on a knife edge, one outcome where he is an average or better than average finisher/shooter, or the rest of the time where he's a 38% field goal man. That's like top 5 picks vs whenever

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

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MourningView posted:

if you think he is going to produce like celtics IT he should be number one and like two tiers above everyone else

He said "not Celtics IT" it's taken some time to decipher these hieroglyphs, but I'm pretty sure he meant "He'll produce like IT outside of IT's best years" which is essentially like, Jamaal Murray (in general) or the Old-and-Busted version of D-Wade, which, honestly, would still be pretty drat good.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






Turns out the initial IT comp was for Pistons IT

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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Veryslightlymad posted:

He said "not Celtics IT" it's taken some time to decipher these hieroglyphs, but I'm pretty sure he meant "He'll produce like IT outside of IT's best years" which is essentially like, Jamaal Murray (in general) or the Old-and-Busted version of D-Wade, which, honestly, would still be pretty drat good.

oh whoops missed the not

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Nurk is good, actually

Grimey Drawer

I don't remember if I posted this before, but this guy has done an extensive write up on Killian Hayes and his other stuff may be worth reading, too: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=2437...an_landing=true

Hayes writeup: https://docs.google.com/document/d/...CWJuU6cQ70/edit

It's 42 pages, so... definitely clear some time if you really want to read it.

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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


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We've talked about PD before but I don't think anyone linked the Killian piece specifically. It's really good. Great dude and one of the best and most entertaining guys out there when it comes to writing about super technical basketball stuff. He should have a piece on anthony edwards coming out sometime relatively soon.

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