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Who is the #1 Overall Pick
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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


Rick posted:

I'd be so scared to have Anthony Edwards available if I was a GM. Biggest disparity between the ceiling and floor I can recall.

I don't think there's a world where he washes out of the league entirely but there's definitely one where he's pretty much Andrew Wiggins and that might be worse

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Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch


i figure heíll probably be a good not great oj mayo-esque 4th option that can do a lot of stuff well but nothing spectacularly

kind of a bummer but what can you do

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

Xavier Tillman is now a possible first rounder. That's really cool. He should be a solid multipositional defender and hopefully he'll find a role on offense other than screener

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

Some stuff by John Hollinger about old shortneck

4. Onyeka Okongwu, PF/C, USC
Okongwu was awesome as a freshman and the only reason I donít have him higher is that todayís game doesnít value bigs as much. He still might be undervalued here. Relative to his position heís arguably the best player in this draft, and in particular would seem to be an outstanding fit with the Golden State Warriors.

Letís get into the details. Since 2011-12, five major conference NCAA freshman have had a PER north of 30 and shot better than 70 percent from the line, an important indicator that they had enough skill to be something besides a Ď90s beast-ball 5 in the pros.

The first four were Anthony Davis, Cody Zeller, Karl-Anthony Towns and Deandre Ayton. Three of them were the first pick in the draft and the other one was picked third and has had a very solid pro career.

Okongwu is the fifth. Heís currently pegged in the mid-to-late lottery by most forecasts. Maybe thatís fair ó obviously, the fact that he shares a statistical similarity with a group of players does not automatically mean he will follow in their footsteps.

At the same time Ö in a draft this short on star potential, isnít at least a little interesting that Okongwuís statistical comps have been so wildly successful? Itís not like he was playing in a USC system that titled things in favor; watch the tape and at times youíll want to run on the court and beg their guards to get him the freaking ball. At other times he had to hold spacing so that USCís other bigs could get touches (!), even though Okongwu has an excellent post game and easily gets to jump hooks with either hand.

He put up monster stats anyway, leading the Pac-12 in PER and BPM and shooting 60.7 percent in conference play. His ability to score on the block should become more prominent at the pro level, especially against switches.

While Okongwuís ceiling probably profiles closer to that of Aytonís than Townsí or Davisí, that would still be a hell of an outcome with a meh lottery pick in a weak draft. As with a player heís frequently compared to ó Miamiís Bam Adebayo ó his height may be held against him at 6-9. Unlike Adebayo, however, Okongwu shows enough promise as a shooter that he may be able to play next to a true 5 as his skill level progresses. Heís already a better post scorer than Bam, but he doesnít have his ballhandling and passing skill.

Even if Okongwu doesnít become a stretch big, he could be a steal anywhere after the first few picks. Iím not a huge fan of drafting 5s, but Okongwu offers some positional flexibility as a 4/5 and, as noted above, he was freaking awesome this year. After the three guards at the top, Okongwuís value proposition is just too great to ignore.



https://theathletic.com/1808864/202...ling-to-bet-on/ from here, if you'd like me to post more, let me know

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 01:45 on May 28, 2020

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

If you need some audio draft content, Chad ford and John Bollinger have a podcast on the locked on network.

Are there other good draft focused podcasts? I have so many hours to drive

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


Dejan Bimble posted:

If you need some audio draft content, Chad ford and John Bollinger have a podcast on the locked on network.

Are there other good draft focused podcasts? I have so many hours to drive

Game Theory and Prep 2 Pro are both pretty solid. Game Theory isn't exclusively draft focused but a lot of the episodes are.

ButtWolf
Dec 30, 2004

Hey, you want a toothpick?


Is it just because basketball is dead or is this the most uninteresting class ever? Ball intrigues me even though I hate his dad. Wiseman and Edwards might be ok. After I don't really care about anyone.

And Okongwu looks to be solid but im still torn on him.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


Wiseman seems like one of the most boring guys in the class to me but I admittedly view him a lot differently than it seems like most mainstream people or fans do.

I think it's kind of an interesting class in that it's very unsettled and there are a lot of boom or bust type guys at the top, it's just hard to keep talking about the same guys for so long. There's only really so much you can say and there really isn't going to be any real draft news for months.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

ButtWolf posted:

Is it just because basketball is dead or is this the most uninteresting class ever? Ball intrigues me even though I hate his dad. Wiseman and Edwards might be ok. After I don't really care about anyone.

And Okongwu looks to be solid but im still torn on him.

It wasn't a great draft class, and we normally have March Madness to help reinforce opinions and generate hot takes.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch


there are five quality starters with all star upside and then everything else is a big ole question mark and none of those questions are gonna be answered for a while

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

ButtWolf posted:

Is it just because basketball is dead or is this the most uninteresting class ever? Ball intrigues me even though I hate his dad. Wiseman and Edwards might be ok. After I don't really care about anyone.

And Okongwu looks to be solid but im still torn on him.

I got two words for you Butt Wolf
Cassius Winston

Watch his highlights. He's going to be great

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


I have kinda slowly come around to Winston as a back of the first type guy because he's so good in the pick and roll and shooting off the dribble but the margin of error for a tiny guy who can't jump at all is so thin. I have him, Tre Jones, Flynn, and Dotson all kinda clustered together in the 28-35 range and go back and forth a lot on how to order them.

The MSU guy I really love is Tillman who I think is a top 20ish guy even if I'm not totally sure how he scores.

MourningView fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Jul 7, 2020

abuse culture.
Sep 8, 2004

food on the table


Who are the Raptors going to pick please

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

MourningView posted:

I have kinda slowly come around to Winston as a back of the first type guy because he's so good in the pick and roll and shooting off the dribble but the margin of error for a tiny guy who can't jump at all is so thin. I have him, Tre Jones, Flynn, and Dotson all kinda clustered together in the 28-35 range and go back and forth a lot on how to order them.

The MSU guy I really love is Tillman who I think is a top 20ish guy even if I'm not totally sure how he scores.

I see him as a modern day Jose Calderon, someone who can make every pass that exists within 2 or 3 beats of man-movement and who can reliably make every shot that isn't swallowed up. I think he could find a role as a backup pg who leads a fast scoring bench who then gets put back into the tool box when a modern 6'5 pg olympian pg comes back into the game and starts bashing him into the ground like mario.

Tillman is really good at everything, abuse culture, he is the type of guy Toronto likes. Jack of All trades, great passer, long arms, maybe not super popcorn popper athletic but moves well enough.

abuse culture.
Sep 8, 2004

food on the table


Good. Iím just happy to see picks for the raps, they seem to be really good at player evaluation. They keep digging up good Guys in the draft and they were even able to guess that kawhi leonard is better than demar derozen

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


Tillman would be good as a possible Gasol replacement, he has a lot of similarities as a very strong and smart interior defender who can handle and pass a little and sets great screens, his ceiling is just kind of limited by his lack of great size/length and inability to shoot.

The guy I really like who seems to be falling into he Raptors range on most mocks is Desmond Bane. He's a little bit like Terrance Davis last year in that he has pretty much every skill you'd want from a rotation wing but seems to be off the radar because he's an older four year player. I don't think he'll test athletically as well as Davis did but he's also a better shooter.

Paul Reed just feels very Raptory to me. Skinny, athletic, long armed guy with freaky defensive numbers who flashes some ball handling and playmaking but needs a ton of polish, especially on his shot, and is kind of tweener position wise. He sorta fits in the Siakam mold of a guy they'd take and develop in the g-league for a bit.

Grant Riller is another one of my favorite players who seems to be falling into the late first range. I think has a lot of potential as a sixth man instant offense type guy; he's a good off the dribble shooter with an incredible first step who gets to the rim at will and finishes at a super high rate despite pretty underwhelming athleticism. He gets a ton of FVV comps, but I don't think they really play all that similarly. They do look extremely alike facially though.

MourningView fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jul 7, 2020

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



It sounds like this draft will be fine if you're hoping for a useful rotation guy, but if you're hoping for a guy who averages really strong numbers and helps carry your squad you'll be wildly disappointed

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


El Gallinero Gros posted:

It sounds like this draft will be fine if you're hoping for a useful rotation guy, but if you're hoping for a guy who averages really strong numbers and helps carry your squad you'll be wildly disappointed

This is generally my take yeah. I think it's a pretty deep draft in terms of guys who have a good chance to stick in the league. I like the second round and back of the first more than I usually do. There just aren't very many guys I feel super confident can be quality starters and pretty much no one I would feel confident predicting as a future all star

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007




abuse culture. posted:

Who are the Raptors going to pick please

Raps beat guy on the Athletic had a nice chat with Vecenie a while back and Reed and Riller were two of the guys they talked most about as being good fits for the Rap profile. Isiah Stewart was the other guy they went in depth about with a lot of other names mentioned as interesting possibilities.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch


MourningView posted:

This is generally my take yeah. I think it's a pretty deep draft in terms of guys who have a good chance to stick in the league. I like the second round and back of the first more than I usually do. There just aren't very many guys I feel super confident can be quality starters and pretty much no one I would feel confident predicting as a future all star

onyeka okongwu feels like he could be a fringe all-star and heís probably the closest thing this draft has as a sure bet

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?


pseudodragon posted:

Raps beat guy on the Athletic had a nice chat with Vecenie a while back and Reed and Riller were two of the guys they talked most about as being good fits for the Rap profile. Isiah Stewart was the other guy they went in depth about with a lot of other names mentioned as interesting possibilities.

There is probably a point where it's worth taking Stewart but it's way after where he's actually going to get drafted. No thanks on a slow post up big who is doo doo on defense. I know Vecenie loves him but he's putting way too much weight on what college coaches say about him. Stewart is the classic great college player who doesn't translate.

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The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

Declan MacManus posted:

onyeka okongwu feels like he could be a fringe all-star and heís probably the closest thing this draft has as a sure bet

He definitely feels like he could be a multi-time allstar if he lands in the right place, like he could get a shitload of easy layups for the next decade if he ends up on the Warriors

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