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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Haifisch posted:

Fun fact: Did you know huge piece of poo poo Woody Allen had a comic strip about him at one point? Because he sure did! :shepface:

Not only did I know that, I've accumulated a whole bunch of scans of original art, Just For You, which I will be posting when I've finally caught up with this thread.

Which should be in a few days.

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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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amigolupus posted:

I honestly don't think we got an explanation on why they even needed a cesarean. Brooke doesn't know poo poo about how pregnancies work so I wouldn't be surprised if he thought you always need a cesarean when giving birth to twins. And Brooke is too busy drawing them loving to make them worry about things like money or anything.

We were told that it was a complicated high-risk pregnancy -- there was something about the fetuses sharing an amniotic sac, I think. And Edda was sent to a perinatologist, not just an obstetrician. And then she spent the past several weeks on bed rest. There's a certain amount of detail beyond which it's not really fair to expect Brooke to go in a daily comic strip.

Honestly, for all the many, many faults in strips like 9CL and Luann, sometimes we're a little overharsh on them.

In December of last year (which I only read last month, so it's fresher in my memory), there was a Luann in which Luann and... big stubbly guy who she's kind of dating, the one who also likes dogs? Is his name Jock? Anyway. Luann and Big Stubbly Guy found themselves tending to Shannon, and they brought her to the mall, and someone asked if they were her parents, and they expressed dismay at the idea of that.

And people in this thread were upset that Luann and BSG seemed to loathe Shannon so much. Couldn't it have equally been that they were dismayed at passersby thinking they were old enough to be the parents of a child that age?

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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FrumpleOrz posted:

Kevin & Kell


Low-hanging fruit, I know.

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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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These did not age well.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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holy poo poo, it's not an edit. Does the strip not have an editor any more?

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Julet Esqu posted:



Gunther, I see you there with your judgmental "hm" because you know the truth about Evil Tiffany and her Filthy Web of Lies. Meanwhile Bernice is still sitting here talking about the party she is fully aware is still happening but is no longer interested in wrecking for some mysterious reason.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe we're looking at this the wrong way.

I mean, yes, Bernice is terrible. She's one of the villains. Granted. And Tiff is working on being a good person, agreed.

But how sure are we that Greg doesn't understand this?

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Oct 10, 2004

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Angular Cyrus posted:

They'll Do It Every Time 10/21/46


I'm remembering the Ask/Tell thread about 'references in older media lost on modern audiences'. People would bring bottles of ink with them on vacation? The notion that "modern newspaper cartoons" weren't necessarily contemporaneous with pre-filled pens is... wow.

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Oct 10, 2004

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BigDave posted:

Is this 'My whore of a husband is loving his assistant again' plot, or 'HAWHAW! HUSBAND MISSES BIRTH, WIFE ENDURES WITH SIMPLE CHILDREN!' :haw:

#2. She didn't find out about #1 until several years after this.

edit: oh, and it was a double betrayal: he was loving her assistant!

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Oct 10, 2004

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readingatwork posted:

Calvin and Hobbes (Apr 27-28, 1987)



Unless I'm misvisualizing this, I don't think there's enough data to solve that problem.

(Maybe there's a diagram.)

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Angular Cyrus posted:

King Aroo 11/6/53


The stuff she says to summon the ghost isn't gibberish, it's Tagalog.

Per Newsweek in 1952, as quoted in Allan Holtz'z "Stripper's Guide" blog:

quote:

To the editors of The Philippine-American Advocate, a new monthly tabloid in San Francisco, however. Wanda’s incantation conjured up something quite meaningful. Last week, in its first issue, The Advocate explained that the chant, “halika, multo, madali, madly,” is purest Tagalog for “come here, ghost, quickly, quickly.” It was not the first time nor the last time that King Aroo characters would chatter in the native language. Jack Kent, the Texan who draws the strip, had studied the language while overseas in the Philippines with the Army. Moreover, for the witch talk, he had even checked the Tagalog with authorities at the National Language Institute of the Philippines.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Here's something - a comic strip that was so successful it spawned a new idiom.

Keeping Up with the Joneses, by Arthur "Pop" Momand, published from 1913 to 1938.

I found an abysmally-scanned compilation on archive.org. Here's the first of the readable examples.

Some more digging revealed a much better-scanned version, so I'll be posting all the strips.

edit: thumps Attach File functionality a few times

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Oct 10, 2004

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gleebster posted:

Anyway, in Juliet Jones. I hope Pops is careful crossing streets in the future.


gleebster posted:


Anyway, in Juliet Jones. I hope Pops is careful crossing streets in the future.


I love how expressive they are. That "oh gently caress" misery on Chip's face.

You know who didn't like the expressiveness?

"A 1994 article about Stan Drake" posted:


One day, [Alex] Raymond paid Drake a visit as he was working on a Juliet Jones strip. “Back in those days, I was doing The Heart of Juliet Jones, and I was using Polaroid references of models. I gave them all kinds of expressions—fear, anguish, happiness—and Alex never did. And he came to me and said, ‘What is this thing with expressions you’re doing? It looks great.’ He complimented me on doing these real people in Juliet Jones. I couldn’t believe that the greatest artist in the world was asking me about expressions!”

Drake, as it turns out, was paying a price for introducing human expressions into his work: Sylvan Byck, then comics editor at King Features, was admonishing the 35-year-old Drake to drop the use of emotional expression in his characters’ faces. “Byck asked me, ‘What are you doing with these expressions? We don’t usually do that.’ He tried to put me down, believe it or not,” Drake said. “He said, ‘Just draw people.’ And I said, ‘I’m going to draw people the way they are. If you want to buy Juliet Jones, that’s what you’re going to get.”

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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if this isn't legible, I can gently caress around with the sizes some more.

Keeping Up With The Joneses

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Oct 10, 2004

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The main theme in Keeping Up with the Joneses is social climbing. Momand never heard the phrase "fake it 'til you make it", but if he had, he would have completely understood.

Note the throwaway gag where Pa McGinis compares the canals of Venice to the Erie Canal.

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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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When's the last time Garfield had claws?

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amigolupus posted:

Ah yes, because that's how you want to be immortalized in the newspapers: "The Pissman".

If you don't want people to know that you drink your own piss on a daily basis, maybe you shouldn't self-publish a book and do a podcast about it.

Johnny Walker posted:


Apartment 3-G



Is it just me, or does he look really happy to be getting punched in the face?

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Oct 10, 2004

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EBB posted:

so uh

are we gonna talk about the pee weirdo in ripleys or what

sounds like more of an A/T thread.

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Oct 10, 2004

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Keeping Up with the Joneses, from 1920. 88 cents for a dozen eggs was considered blatantly and ridiculously expensive.

Profiteers were a plague back then too. (Note the store name: "Soakem and Company". True hilarity.)

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Oct 10, 2004

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... again, is he grinning about being punched in the face?

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Oct 10, 2004

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Another one of the recurring themes of Keeping Up with the Joneses is that the McGinises were gullible rubes who would accept anything if they were told it was fancy and expensive.

I'm not sure if the spelling "mut" was a contemporary alternate of the modern "mutt", or if Momand was just sloppy.

The name "Ethelbert McGinis" was recycled by the 1942 movie "Mr. Wise Guy".

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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Keeping Up with the Joneses pushes the "Swedish Mouse Hound" thing a bit further (and I guess Momand was using "mut" deliberately).

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Oct 10, 2004

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In this installment of Keeping Up with the Joneses, the word "Sassiety" is eye dialect for "society".

Apparently a major class signifier was whether you ate your soup noisily.

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Oct 10, 2004

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In this installment of Keeping Up With the Joneses, Ethelred references what I thought was an urban legend. To my surprise, it turns out that the Pennsylvania legislature passed a law to this effect back in 1896, but the governor vetoed it. By 1920, it was clear that such requirements were ridiculous.

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Oct 10, 2004

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"Real people" comics used to be a thing, back in the day. There was a Gene Autry comic, a Bob Hope comic, a Jerry Lewis comic.

And, as I learned last year when looking through Wikipedia's "King Features Syndicate" infobox, there was a Woody Allen comic strip. In 1975, cartoonist Stuart Hample contacted Allen and got his permission to make him into a comic strip; Inside Woody Allen launched in 1976 and ended in 1984.

I started digging for examples of the strip and found a few dozen from people's collections of original art - but most of them are super small, or not particularly interesting because they don't really use the comic strip medium (just standard Woody Allen jokes with a Woody Allen cartoon next to them), or both. I also found several strips that were translated into Spanish, and French, and German, and Greek, and Dutch, and Italian; I could, hypothetically, transcribe them and then put them through Google Translate, but gently caress that, I'm not going to that much effort for this.

That said, I do have a bunch that are worth showing. Let's start with what I'm pretty sure is the original art from the strip that is, in retrospect, the most holy poo poo mind-boggling.

[timg]https://i.imgur.com/DOmlSDc.jpg][/timg]

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Haifisch posted:

Yeah, that's one of those comics I've seen in the scans I get my 70s comics from but never posted because a)Woody Allen, b)the actual comics were pretty boring(although the posted one is way more "uhhhhhh :stare:" than the few ones I glanced at).

As I said, most of the ones I have aren't that interesting. Per the Guardian article, I think the strip changed its tone after a few years.

Here, a palate-cleanser: Woody Allen about to either a) be killed and eaten or b) have his finger ripped off just prior to falling to his death.

Again, original art. I rather like that in the second panel, you can see the woman panicking.

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Oct 10, 2004

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Did you do this? If not, who did?

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Oct 10, 2004

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In this installment of Keeping Up with the Joneses, it's interesting to see how the techniques for presenting a joke have changed over the years. There's no reason for the woman to ask a total stranger if she needs to put a muzzle on her dog.

I'm not sure if "cootie" is intended to be eye dialect for "cutie", or a reference to the then-new term "cooties" (meaning 'lice').

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Oct 10, 2004

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Johnny Walker posted:

Mary Worth



They're both planning to break up with each other for the same reason.

they're both loving jared?

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Oct 10, 2004

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I'll admit to being surprised that Larson expected his readers to be aware of the 1979 essay collection Broca's Brain, by Carl Sagan, which includes Sagan reminiscing about the time he found Paul Broca's preserved brain in a jar.

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Oct 10, 2004

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Nothing that particularly needs explaining in this installment of Keeping Up with the Joneses, except that a $50 loan then would be upwards of $600 today.

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Oct 10, 2004

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interesting timing on those.

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Oct 10, 2004

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In this installment of Keeping Up with the Joneses, Clarice wants to look as fancy as one of "the 400".

From what I can tell, the whole notion of the 400 being important and influential may have been decades on the wane by the time this strip was originally published, in which case it would have been a second joke: not only is Clarice's outfit so expensive-looking that Aloysius fears his boss will suspect him of embezzling, but Clarice wants to look like part of a group that nobody cares about any more.

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amigolupus posted:

It's not just any old lady, his mom's the one who wants him to drown the kittens or she'd get the cop to shoot all the cats. Sulo's expression in panel 2 really captures the terror from hearing that.

Were spaying and neutering not an option? If you look in the last panel, Misse's nursing a fresh litter.

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

That's still a handsome building

You mean

drat, that's a handsome building.

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Oct 10, 2004

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Lodin posted:

Oh poo poo, that's Barbapappa, a famous Swedish childrens book and cartoon character. Netflix actually has it in Scandinavia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbapapa posted:


Barbapapa is a 1970 children's picture book by the French-American couple Annette Tison and Talus Taylor, who lived in Paris, France. Barbapapa is both the title character and the name of his "species". The book was the first of a series of children's books originally written in French and later translated into over 30 languages.[1]

("barbe à papa" is French for "cotton candy" - or, literally, "daddy's beard")

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Oct 10, 2004

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In this installment of Keeping Up With the Joneses, Momand starts with the Prohibition jokes. Here, Aloysius is going just outside the three-mile limit so that he can get drunk.

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Oct 10, 2004

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Hmm. Calvin's dad wearing a striped shirt like the one Calvin always wore... wonder if that's meaningful?

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Oct 10, 2004

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This installment of Keeping Up With the Joneses retains a disturbing relevance.

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Oct 10, 2004

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Tiggum posted:

Imagine asking your employer to pay you more money just because your cost of living has increased. And thinking there was any chance of getting it! I can't even tell if this is a "the past was incomprehensibly different" thing or a "comics aren't realistic" thing.

Possibly the latter? Note the opening panel in which Clarice tells Aloysius to do it.


Believe it or not, someone desecrated 2000 graves?

edit: okay, it wasn't a wanton act of graverobbing - during the Depression, the city couldn't afford to maintain a cemetery with upright marble headstones, so they sliced them in half, laid the halves with the names flat on the ground, and sold the nameless halves for $45 total.

Which still seems like a scam to me - surely just the labor to uproot the stones, slice them, and reinstall the sliced halves cost more than $45?

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Oct 10, 2004

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More Prohibition jokes in this installment of Keeping Up With the Joneses - specifically, the old notion that being drunk makes your nose swell up and turn red.

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