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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Chairman Capone posted:

I love The Office and I rewatched a big chunk of it over the holidays, and I think a big part of it still holds up. Really the only parts I thought dragged were most of s6, the latter part of s7, and s8. The bit at the end of Goodbye Michael when Pam talks about how Michael was hopeful, not sad, still manages to get me.

In terms of late-season casting, I thought Kathy Bates was terrible, and James Spader had a lot of promise in his first episode with the interview and then you can tell he just completely lost all interest in the role (and/or the writers just had no idea what to do with him and took the worst possible choices). Ed Helms was also completely incapable of stepping in for Steve Carell and one reason the final season is so good is that Helms was gone for a big chunk of it. I think the later seasons of The Office actually made me hate Helms.

Andy has the worst arc, they start him off insufferable, they send him away, he comes back a little more human, and it seems like they're going to keep it that way with just his obnoxious quirks... but then the later seasons happen and they turn him into just a very bad person you are unhappy to see in a scene. I do think plop and the other intern could've worked in earlier seasons, wasn't a fan of Ryan somehow coming back as office drone eventually. Ryan only works with Michael there, otherwise he's just a horrible jerk. I also loved Spader until the last parts, "I'm the loving lizard king" was his peak and one of the funniest single moments of the show overall-- they goof troop'd him too hard and cutting the lady from American Horror Story as boss of Sabre was a bit too abrupt.

I kind of wish they had settled on Dwight as manager instead of basically chucking him out after a single day. While it was a funny bit and expected for Dwight, I think he could've settled into manager role and end up becoming michael scottier over time. Dwight had a good arc and end though anyway.

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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Batman Beyond having Batman as a broken shut in was something that blew my mind as a kid, but was a perfect setup to a far future Batman sequel.

It's also just one of the more beleivable ends to Batman, barring being killed for drama. He's got a hosed up life and he spends his time doing hosed up things and even the most generous readings of Batman leave a lot of blood and guilt in his hands.

When I was a little kid I expected that the heroes we had would grow up with us, that we would see them retire and others take their place. Batman Beyond clicked with me because it seemed like the start of that.

Turns out even back then I was following heroes who by all rights should have already retired if it was to be continuous. Plus, anytime there is someone to take over a mantle, they both end up retconning or tucking them away in some alternate universe, and every couple years there's some cosmic crisis to gently caress everything around again. Plus a vocal group of dickheads gets mad every time their successor doesn't confirm to their eugenics plan. I have to think even if DC or Marvel wanted to go hardcore and start letting established IPs die or change if comic book whiners wouldn't rage until they had to reverse course, leaving people a decade forward wondering what was up with their weird one step forward, two weird backflips back.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

esperterra posted:

gently caress's sake The Nanny is so good from the start.

There was some newer show she was on I watched the first episodes of a few years back. The whole thing seemed like an extended PG version of a stepmom porno. Actually if I'm remembering right, she was dating or getting married to some dude who was younger than her own kids? Anybody remember this show?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

muscles like this! posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK2ZGOsbeqo
Trailer for HBOs documentary series about the McDonalds Monopoly scam. This is the one where an inside man was subverting the process and had a group of people winning the big ticket items every year with no chance for an average person.

There was some mega essay written about these people sometime last year that was incredible, pretty wild story. Another similar one is these people who took to gaming certain scratchers or lottos to take advantage of some quirk of it's rules or something. I love these kind of tales, the McDonald's one is a good story for a documentary.

zoux posted:

How many of yall have this aunt
https://twitter.com/mikesbloggity/status/1215468184611934208

e: also lol Guy Mann caught two week long probations in the same day in two entirely separate forums and is now banned from CD completely. Can we do that too

Haha, the too-early victory dance seals this video into the compilation canon. I look forward to seeing this next time I wind up down the youtube compilation hole.

Khanstant fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 10, 2020

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

I'm actually kind of shocked it's still on the air. I think I had an ex who had me watch it with her in high school and back then I thought it was going to be a 3-4 season thing and be done. Is that blue eye milquetoast woman still the main character lusting after a variety of basically horrible hotties? Is Grey's Anatomy just the new General Hospital or ER or whatever it was (lol unless those are both also still on the air).

Watched You this past week and weekend, didn't know anything about it besides people seemed to praise it in this thread. First episode I was waiting for the twist to be this creepy dude is a vampire-- but the only supernatural elements of the show are how he and everyone else gets away with everything they end up doing. Pretty cool show, I like how they continually remind you the protagonist is a POS you want things to go badly for. I was expecting season 2 to end with his death or capture, just figuring Netflix is kind of a "2 seasons then bust" kind of operation. I was really surprised by how it did end and I like how it opens up another season. I do hope they have an end in mind already, definitely want to see Joe get what's coming to him. In the meantime, having to live under the same controlling, obsessive, murderous conditions he imposes on others is a good change of pace.

I really liked that ending, I was really worried he was just going to get away with everything again.

So far my least favourite thing about the show is Ellie's fate. I really hope she's back in season 3 and I hope she's the one to finally expose Joe.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Croatoan posted:

Ok so, Westworld Season 3. This poo poo never came out? The trailer with Aaron Paul came out like 7 months ago. I didn't finish season one because it was a bit too rapey. I never watched season 2. Should I go back and watch them?

Season 2 was pretty interesting, AFAIK most of the hate seemed to come from people who had it all written out in their heads and then the season went another direction entirely. Then again, I also have a pretty fuzzy memory of it all since I binged it alone instead of weekly with friends as it came out as with S1. I remember really liking the escalation of Maeve's character and I'm of course rooting for the AIs to get rights and citizenship in the regular world. IIRC the Samurai World poo poo kind of goes nowhere and seems to retread character beats I thought we'd already covered.

edit: Hating Wil Wheaton reminds me of hating football. For years it was just that football sucks, sucks to hear about, sucks that it's always around, sucks that people won't shut the gently caress up about it - but whatever it just sucks and that's all you can say. Then at some point you find actually good reasons to hate it besides "you don't like it," like it abuses players, takes advantage of taxpayers, protects domestic abusers, fights against people's rights, corruption, etc. For Wil we got to graduate from "Wesley sucks" to "Wil himself was best friend's with a sex abuser and apparently never cared enough to say anything, try to stop it, or stop being the dude's friend."

Khanstant fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jan 13, 2020

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

The dislike for Westworld s2 is because the plot was legitimately bad and full of stupid poo poo. The "Welcome to Westworld" scene, the data in Abernathy's head(which was a s2 retcon that made the whole thing from s1 even more stupid), Dolores finally smuggling things out of the park, random character is actually a robot, the whole flooding of the valley "mystery" which made 0 sense because there were a ton of people who witnessed it and probably more stuff I am forgetting.

S2 was told in a convoluted manner, but the story itself was also poor and nonsensical if you even stop to think about it.

Yeah, just read the timeline and it was convoluted just for the sake of stopping viewers from guessing everything. My hopes for s2 were that hosts get to break free of their horrible human-torture-gratification hellscape existences and it accomplished that, but it does seem like they took a sensible linear set of events and then remixed them for the sake of not-clarity. I was being dismissive before, these are legit criticisms now that I'm reliving them. Also I'm remembering how I'm not actually rooting for most of the characters, gently caress all rich people.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

EL BROMANCE posted:

And this is a general chat thread that isn't strictly about the show, and people binge watch these things months/years after they air. We've had this conversation so many times now.

"Spoilers" as a concept also isn't something everyone thinks is important. Personally if the place I'm posting has enforced spoiler rules or is specifically for that kind of shrouded discussion, I'm fine abiding them, but these forums don't seem have that rule except for stuff that hasn't yet aired or is leaked. Spoilers seem like a natural risk for anyone who looks up their shows or participates in general online chats about shows in general. That's the spoilees risk and I don't think anyone, outside of specific circumstances, has a special obligation to safeguard Those Who Waited. At worst, it is discourteous.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
I love the rules as written in the rules thread. It's a matter of courtesy. If you're a Courteous Good poster, you will thoughtfully invoke spoilers based on context. Chaotic Courteous, "if it's aired it's faired!" Chaotic Discourteous is buying spoiler banner ads and PMing people spoilers. There's 3x3 grid of spoiler morality here and I think True Neutral is the approach for the rules. Individual thread cultures and enforcement seems sensible enough.

As for on the Couch, I don't think couches get rules, that's not a couch, it's a theatre! Sometimes your friends are jerkass spoilers, sometimes they are cryptics who won't even tell you why a show is worth watching out of fear of spoiling.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Rocksicles posted:

Are you loving drunk on ethics farts?

No but it's D&D night so I'm in the mindset

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Oh hell yeah, I've always wanted to watch a way worse version of a great show I already enjoy in the perfect way

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Hey, heard y'all like Pizza. So we here at random house are pronounce to announce the book version of Pizza.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Him firing Kliph and replacing him with two lovely gimmicky twin drummers who always wear stupid green wigs is like the perfect encapsulation of the last ten years for the Lips. The last time I saw them live, those idiot drummers couldn’t even keep a loving beat and Steven had to constantly jump in and give them the rhythm. It was awful.

I used to love going out of my way to see them live whenever possible. They came to my little college town once and blew out the power a few times for the city and it was just a cool show I wanted to go again despite never really listening to their music outside of their shows. Then I saw him at SXSW or ACL or some poo poo and I guess he was going through a dark period. Instead of all the usual fun stuff it was a lot of grey and blue metal tubes and aluminium ducts and some weird tube-baby. Fine, whatever I can get it. What turned me off, maybe forever, was that I heard the darkness was due to a divorce resulting from his bad behavior and infidelity. That sucks but is fine on it's own, however, he also needed to involve someone else. He had a gimmick where this singer from another band was to come on stage and perform with him. I wanna say it was Phantogram's singer but it was years ago. He has her come sing this song, but it's a slower and sad one, and he has her get on her knees next to him while she sings. He grabs a fistful of her hair, and while she sings he pulls on it making her wince and her singing get pained. Conceptually I kind of get it, but in execution it was really uncomfortable to watch. Creeped me the gently caress out so now I don't bother with them

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Yeah, that was for The Terror and it was Phantogram’s singer, Sarah Barthel. This must have been around 2012-2013? That album is such a complete 180° from all their other stuff and it just reeks of “I’ve hosed everything up” nihilistic desperation. I saw them on that same tour and it was just exhausting and depressing. Prior shows had been this joyous, almost life-affirming party that reveled in naive happiness. On the Terror tour he even did dour renditions of older songs in the style of the new album and it just loving sucked. And I get it, you’re an artist so of course you’re gonna use your art to try and explore and vent that pain, but it’s just not an enjoyable experience for the audience.

I mean good on the guy if he’s found peace in some way with his new life, but it all just seems like an extended breakdown and nothing he’s put out since has had any real substance to it. Peace Sword was solid but it’s no Embryonic or Soft Bulletin. Oczy Mlody was completely forgettable and felt like a vanity project for him and his other musician friends.

No artist has to be good forever, as I get older I'm more okay with artists who you just kind of stop paying attention to, their life's best works before them.

Rocksicles posted:

You should see the cooking threads when anyone brings up Claire vs Brad on Bon Appétit, which is ridiculous. Everyone loves Brad.

Versus? Why would such a discussion ever come of, they're both obviously delightful.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

bring back old gbs posted:

season after season after season which is exactly 3 and then cancelled

Is that a bad thing? Barring shows that take one or two seasons to figure out how to be good, how many drat seasons does a show need to get before it's enough? Seems like most shows probably go through all of their best ideas pretty early and if more seasons come up they have to try and crank out a bunch of new stories to fit in with stuff they already done. Plus each season past the first one is probably a huge decline in possible viewers.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
That peanut poisoned countless people throughout it's life, why should a fiend like Mr Peanut get a televised funeral?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
This is Zumbo com?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

muscles like this! posted:

I was on Hulu and man, ABC sure crapped out a Kobe tribute thing pretty quick, huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKmzUypbNNU

Can't believe this is the only clip I found of this.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Mordiceius posted:

The first couple seasons of Community were good, but I felt like it quickly went up it's own rear end.

Community gets better when Chevy Chase is finally gone, but he also left around when some other great people did unfortunately. I think a Pierce-less edit of Community would be great, even including Pierce-centric episodes that wouldn't make sense without him.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Escobarbarian posted:

Yeah that’s like one of the main arcs of season 2 though so it does seem weird to criticise it (you can criticise the way they handwave it all away in the s3 premiere though because that was a bit meh)

Season 1 and 2 of P&R might as well be different shows. You know how we often take a UK show and do an American version? This was a time where we took a US show and made a US Version later.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Escobarbarian posted:

I agree with this (although the Parks s1 finale is pretty good), but we were talking about Community

Whoops!

What's odd to me about the Peirce arc's is that they never even seemed to really consider the notion of Peirce ever really becoming much better as a person, or if that's really what passes for it for them, then their bar was absurdly busted. There's a way to get funny out of some old coot with anachronistic views without pidgeonholing yourself exclusive into the live-bigotry corner. Maybe some of that had to do with Chevy himself, but why-ever it is that way, I know it makes the show a non-starter for basically every partner I've tried to show it too in the last 5 years. Fortunately, there are enough compilations of certain bits or gags that are able to be shared without much context and no Peirce-problem.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Is there room in Short Treks for a Captain Larry David episode? We had Coach McGuirk already at least.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
I want to see the Zelda movie because the challenge of making a movie where your protagonist can only speak in teenager shrieks is worth prusuing for its own sake. Hyuh! Hyeeeah. Hup. EEEaaayyhn.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
I think FitzSimmons is all that I remember of the X seasons of Shield I watched before Disney went full blown Marvel. They were real cute couple.

Pam & Jim's romance phase was good, but them actually together isn't remotely as fun and they tanked it at the end.

The best TV Romance I can think of is George Burns and Gracie Allen but only 90s kids remember that show so...

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Jim was always a creep and Pam was right to reject him initially. You don’t get to just foist that emotional baggage on someone because you think you’re better than the person they’re with. He sat there listening to his friend vent about her troubles for years and then turned around and used that to scheme his way into her life. Yeah, it’s just a sitcom, but if someone did that in real life they’d be a loving creep.

It's also weird because, as someone's friend, I think you have a certain obligation to them to let them know if they're in an unhealthy relationship.

Eleanor and Chidi are a great couple! I'm not sure how to factor in the contrived circumstances that even allow them the opportunity to have a relationship, but within those circumstances they are fantastic.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

pahuyuth posted:

Have any of ya'll checked out Pete Davidson' stand up special on Netflix?

I did! I had a good time, he's a goofy entity so I enjoy him even if some of his material seems anachronistic, like poo poo you'd joke about in middle/high school in 2003. I loved the Louis CK bit a bunch. His stuff about Ariana Grande had me cracking up hard. Especially the bit about how people would react if he spray painted himself brown and went on a magazine to poo poo on his ex, like she did. I also always enjoy hearing about the innerworkings of SNL.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Bummed Magicians won't get a 6th season, seems like they could easily manage another and the show's continued to be good Q-less.

Oasx posted:

I am sorry for anyone losing a show they love, but I hope we get a proper tv adaptation of the books sometime. The show did a half-hearted attempt at following the first book in season 1, but it's pretty hard to do a show about magic when you only have a shoestring budget.

Speak of the devil, I was going through a re-watch and simultaneously looking back through the thread and it was very interesting to see the stuff you disliked as someone who liked the books and wanted it to be more like them. Did you ever watch the other seasons, IIRC you stopped posting about it after season 1. It gets even less-booky and grows into it's own thing and show pretty quickly, which I assume you'd hate.

I don't think budget really felt that limiting as the show went on either, they did more magic with fewer effects than magic shows with way more magic cgis to use.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Escobarbarian posted:

My Westworld rewatch has made it to s2 and I will seriously never understand why after an entire season of Dolores being a main protagonist and her journey to consciousness being the emotional core of the show they just immediately make her a villain with no buildup or explanation. I don’t get it at all. It’s such a weird decision.

It was a bit odd, but even with her as the "villain" I'm still rooting for her and want her to succeed over the others.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

swickles posted:

Is there an Expanse thread? I am almost through season 3 and have a few questions of things I may have missed. Or if someone can point me to an episode guide or something, that should sort it out.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3906760

Here's the thread, I'm kind of in your same boat though.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

zoux posted:

It's been quite an eventful *checks watch* FIFTEEN MINUTES???

Oh and this too
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1237918184293969920

This is terrifying, don't let her on TV.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Did I hear something about a potential writer strike this year? Do recent pandemic events make collective bargaining stronger or weaker?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
They condition parents to condition their kids to turn to Disney media for comfort in stressful times. In a few more decades, these kids can do the same to theirs, but this time with animated remakes of their favourite childhood live action and CG Disney movies.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
This judge sentencing the little kid to probation! Welcome to Kid Kourt. I would definitely watch a Judge Judy type show of kids. Not for kids, children will probably not enjoy the idea of going to TV jail for cutting the super nintendo cable but it was Lucas who cut it, why would I cut my own nintendo cable and then get caught hiding the scissors that doesn't make any sense!

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Westworld Season 1 is Good. The goons who saw it first air on the forums or reddit all gave each other PTSD about it, so it's kind of a trigger around here, but looking past that it's a really dope show about cowboy robots versus evil rich people.

And speaking of corny cover bands that are both delightful and insufferable depending on your mood or day, I only this year learned the secret of Richard Cheese. For a decade I thought the joke of his name was just cheese as in cheesy.

Khanstant fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 15, 2020

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
King of the Hill is real good, even when they kind of ran out of prime material and got too popular for their own good. A bad season of King of the Hill is still good, especially compared to like, a bad season of simpsons or all of family guy.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Very true, but credit to a show that knows when to end lol

or is ended by someone, at least.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Croatoan posted:

Gonna have to disagree. Animals belong in their native habitat. Not kept for entertainment.

Humans are an invasive species who have taken over almost every natural habitat on the planet. Left to their own, nearly every species will soon go extinct. It's like people who are all "pandas are just bad, let them go extinct" like it's their fault we destroyed everywhere they could thrive naturally. Look, I don't like going to "animal jail" anymore than you do but the grim reality is that the choice between "prison where people at least try to let you and your family survive" and "total genocide," most folks will probably take the prison.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Watching Devs on a whim. This music! The mystery of those is cool and all but this soundtrack makes everything seem way intense. Is this the same guy who did the Uncut Gems, or the opening song anyway? That or something else I've seen recently used this kind of ominous/magical/intense type of sound.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Is there a thread or subforum for discussing Little House on the Prairie? It's on Amazon Prime now so I assume most folks are watching through it lately but don't know where to chat about it.

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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
I really would be surprised to find anyone else here watching it. Certainly nobody I know in real life is, but that hasn't stopped me from non-stop texting them updates and my reactions to the crazy poo poo going on. I'd say this is a really good show so far through season one but I don't know of anyone invested enough to fight me on that one way or the other.

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