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Randalor posted:I still have no idea what the argument he's trying to make is. There's only so many species found in fossils, therefore evolution doesn't exist because...? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps If you say one species is the ancestor of another, but you can't find a fossil of an animal that's halfway in between them, then evolution is a lie and God must have created the new species one day*. And if you do find one of those missing links? Hm well where's the missing link in between those, smart guy, you don't have that therefore evolution is a lie and god did it. *Unless I'm a young earth creationist, then all the animals were created in one week 4,000 years ago, and the bones you found were planted by Satan to trick me
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Cloud Potato posted:Stephen Collins: Someone edit the uncles name to Ben (Garrison).
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:
It's been I don't know how many years and this one *still* makes no sense to me no matter how many times I look at it. Maybe if I understood yogurt-oh I might get it or something.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It's been I don't know how many years and this one *still* makes no sense to me no matter how many times I look at it. If evolution were real each and every fossil ever discovered would be a new species, because there's no such thing as a t-rex or a chicken, just the infinite variations between one and the other. Checkmate, sciencetard.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It's been I don't know how many years and this one *still* makes no sense to me no matter how many times I look at it. It basically comes down to believing that the things you learned in elementary school are still 100% true, like most conservative beliefs.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It's been I don't know how many years and this one *still* makes no sense to me no matter how many times I look at it. It’s like a reverse pigeon hole principle. The pigeonhole principle says if you have some discrete system with x variations and you take y observations where x < y then you’ll get duplicates. In the case of Yu GI Oh cards if you have 200 cards and open 400 cards worth of packs then you’ll get duplicates. So then he’s reversing this and saying that since we dig up multiple fossils for the same species instead of different fossils every time, we must be observing a discrete system. And if it’s a discrete system then evolution is disproven because evolution is continuous. There’s many reasons why this argument is bad. The main one that comes to mind is that fossils just don’t happen and typically have some sort of event that causes a skeleton to be fossilized. So while the underlying evolution pattern may be continuous, the observations we have are discretized because the natural phenomena that allow us to make the observation causes that discretization. I’m sure there’s more (ie I recall that punctuated evolution was the current prevailing theory but don’t have background to know if that’s true).
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:On the other hand, Works better if he says "beetle".
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ryde posted:It’s like a reverse pigeon hole principle. The pigeonhole principle says if you have some discrete system with x variations and you take y observations where x < y then you’ll get duplicates. In the case of Yu GI Oh cards if you have 200 cards and open 400 cards worth of packs then you’ll get duplicates. On an even more fundamental level, the only reason it's discrete is that we invented species to discretize it. We have multiple fossils of the same species because a species is a way of classifying fossils and it wouldn't be a useful classification if every fossil had its own species. In a way the yugioh card thing is proof of intelligent design, just it was humans designing the taxonomy and not god designing the universe.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Works better if he says "beetle". Does it? The crab thing is referring to convergent evolution, how a lot of wildly different animals have evolved into the crab shape over the millennia. I've never heard that about beetles but I wouldn't put it past them.
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there wolf posted:Does it? The crab thing is referring to convergent evolution, how a lot of wildly different animals have evolved into the crab shape over the millennia. I've never heard that about beetles but I wouldn't put it past them. I don't think beetles are a convergent phenomenon so much as there are just eight squillion of them.
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the way dick dorkins puts it is that fossils are like CCTV footage of a crime where you already have fingerprints and dna evidence from the scene, and the creationist argument is basically "ah but there is no footage of what happened before or after the accused loaded his gun menacingly and walked into the room, so you have even less evidence that he committed the crime!" and then if you find more footage of what happened before or after this just creates another 'gap' that needs 'explaining'
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Yeah, there's 400,000 plus, and more discovered all the time. That comes to about a quarter of all animal species. Just beetles.
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I get the arguments creationists use against evolution (as stupid as they are), I just don't get his argument in that comic. The follow up kinda clears it up, but only in the sense that its like trying to look through a mud-covered windshield instead of through a wall of mud.
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ungulateman posted:the way dick dorkins puts it is that fossils are like CCTV footage of a crime where you already have fingerprints and dna evidence from the scene, and the creationist argument is basically "ah but there is no footage of what happened before or after the accused loaded his gun menacingly and walked into the room, so you have even less evidence that he committed the crime!"
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Pants Donkey posted:Another easy way to explain it is that you have pictures of a person growing up, showing that they were a baby, child, and teenager. There’s never going to be a picture or video of them halfway between baby and adult, but you can reasonably infer the adult came from the baby. The creationist argument in this is basically like saying that without a 4K video from birth to death there's no way to know how or if the pictures are connected.
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Pants Donkey posted:Another easy way to explain it is that you have pictures of a person growing up, showing that they were a baby, child, and teenager. There’s never going to be a picture or video of them halfway between baby and adult, but you can reasonably infer the adult came from the baby. That's actually a really good example. Most folks will have a few photos from specific events (usually important/interesting events where someone had a camera) but most folks don't take continuous video footage of their entire lives; folks who go to parties or take lots of selfies have a more complete record than folks who don't have their photo taken as often. This is a pretty solid analogy for the tendency of random larger-scale events or periods to preserve batches of things at specific points in the timeline (which will naturally all kind of look the same) and for specific species to be more or less prone to preservation- rather than what the creationist's surface understanding of fossilisation suggests, which is that history randomly selects individual creatures to be preserved at a regular interval across time.
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there wolf posted:Does it? The crab thing is referring to convergent evolution, how a lot of wildly different animals have evolved into the crab shape over the millennia. I've never heard that about beetles but I wouldn't put it past them. The distinguished British biologist, J.B.S. Haldane, who found himself in the company of a group of theologians. On being asked what one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation, Haldane is said to have answered, “An inordinate fondness for beetles.” https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/...es%20of%20them.  Bert Roberge fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Nov 22, 2020 |
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Bert Roberge posted:The distinguished British biologist, J.B.S. Haldane, who found himself in the company of a group of theologians. On being asked what one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation, Haldane is said to have answered, “An inordinate fondness for beetles.” Turns out, there may be more species of parasitic wasp than there are of beetles. Probably by a _lot_. Here is what Chuck D had to say about that. “I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidæ [parasitic wasps] with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars.” ― Charles Darwin, Life and Letters of Charles Darwin, Vol 1 So, from this, we can determine that God has an even more inordinate fondness for chestbursting wasps than he does for beetles, which might explain a fair bit about about Creation. 
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Hitler B. Natural posted:Electronic Tigers is from the very early days of this thread. Mallard Fillmore was still the ostensible subject. Bush was still President. Its creator Mike S. "Hapajap" Miller went "independent" after getting his promising mainstream comics career (he had a run on Superman and some fill-ins on JLA) derailed by his own homophobia, and this was one of the results. It was only ever a webcomic, slowly decayed into pure pin-ups and screeds about Literal Fascist Obama, and now doesn't even exist on the Internet anymore. We did manage to get Hapajap to draw several comics featuring a trucker-cap wearing goon stand-in yelling at him, calling him a human being and being Dumb and So God drat Crazy so he could be Calm and Collected and The Better Man and thus win against his Internet tormentors. He even used the "it was SOMETHING AWFUL" punchline once. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feOHs18L1DM
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- the footnotes proving that all this is DEFINITELY GOING TO HAPPEN were in the accompanying blogpost
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Randalor posted:I get the arguments creationists use against evolution (as stupid as they are), I just don't get his argument in that comic. The follow up kinda clears it up, but only in the sense that its like trying to look through a mud-covered windshield instead of through a wall of mud. Remember creationists also believe (or at least espouse) a strawman version of evolution that involves random animals turning from one into the other is the actual theory of evolution. Never forget the crocoduck
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Another old timer please post the edit of this, on phone, much appreciated
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Is that the gay abortions one? Is the worst-of-year cartoon competition still called the gay abortions award?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is that the gay abortions one? Is the worst-of-year cartoon competition still called the gay abortions award? I'm talking about the the one we're he forgot World Famous W fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Nov 22, 2020 |
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Lol: https://bentcorner.com/mike-s-miller-burns-copy-of-ethan-van-scivers-cyberfrog/ quote:Professional comic book artist Mike S. Miller made a video in which he and his special-needs son burned a copy of Ethan Van Sciver’s Cyberfrog. The reason? Because Miller, a self-proclaimed follower of Jesus, hates Van Sciver. I don’t know who Van Scriver is, but he seems like a piece of poo poo even if he broke with his buddies on the question of whether gay people are human.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Yeah, there's 400,000 plus, and more discovered all the time. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/parasitic-wasps-dominate-the-animal-kingdom/557348/
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Lol: It made me so sad when I found out TenNapel is a pile of poo poo. I loved EWJ and Neverhood. 
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Bert Roberge posted:The distinguished British biologist, J.B.S. Haldane, who found himself in the company of a group of theologians. On being asked what one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation, Haldane is said to have answered, “An inordinate fondness for beetles.” as someone with a degree in forestry I can assure you trees are just as loving weird. probs my personal favorite wtf tree thing is the water oaks. you know how in elder scrolls, the bretons are literally a "mongrel race" and the result of various humans and elves crossbreeding? Yeah water oaks are that, but for oaks. This is sometimes a problem because a novice might mistake a water oak for a live oak, when planting an important circle at a university, say, and mistakenly plant water oaks (avg lifespan 80 years) instead of live oaks (avg lifespan 800 years) and boy that'd be an embarrassment 80 years later huh?!
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Bert Roberge posted:The distinguished British biologist, J.B.S. Haldane, who found himself in the company of a group of theologians. On being asked what one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation, Haldane is said to have answered, “An inordinate fondness for beetles.” Look, the God of Evolution just likes to create new beetles as a hobby. It calms Him down. :itisadiscworldreference:
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Lol: I don't see how what you wrote follows the bolded? He and Miller networked online, and Miller was having issues getting his issues published. Van Scriver helped him to get set up with with a different approach to getting his comics out and making money. Van Scriver then later noticed that Miller had some rather unsavory views, and they severed ties with each other. Unless there's something more to the story, it just looks like someone helping a colleague out, and then later finding out that their colleague is actually an rear end in a top hat.
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Dirk the Average posted:I don't see how what you wrote follows the bolded? He and Miller networked online, and Miller was having issues getting his issues published. Van Scriver helped him to get set up with with a different approach to getting his comics out and making money. Van Scriver then later noticed that Miller had some rather unsavory views, and they severed ties with each other. Unless there's something more to the story, it just looks like someone helping a colleague out, and then later finding out that their colleague is actually an rear end in a top hat. "Comicgate" isn't a company or whatever. It's gamergate but for comics
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fool of sound posted:"Comicgate" isn't a company or whatever. It's gamergate but for comics Ah, nevermind then.
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I only vaguely keep up with comicsgate nonsense, but Van Scriver angled pretty hard to position himself as THE comicsgate creator. If I recall correctly, his career was doing pretty poorly, got a brief boost after announcing the ultimate anti-SJW superhero that would own the libs or whatever, and then he proceeded to slowly lose that income because when your brand is driven mostly by spite you can only keep the cash coming for so long. If anything, breaking with Miller and TenNapel seems like it was mostly about optics, since vocal fundamentalist homophobes don't mesh with the "the REAL minorities don't want any of this SJW pandering tokenism" message Van Scriver (and other -gate types that try to appeal to a broader audience than just the alt-right core) is trying to put out.
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Sometimes I worry about the cartoonist for the Australian Financial Review https://twitter.com/roweafr/status/1330332994934980608
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Jagged Jim posted:Look, the God of Evolution just likes to create new beetles as a hobby. It calms Him down. :itisadiscworldreference: More beetles for the beetle god - evolution
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VitalSigns posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps My favorite use of the god of the gaps argument comes from Futurama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICv6GLwt1gM Also fun thing to note though the theory of evolution through natural selection is his most well know observation more of Darwin's life work was based on the study of worms.
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Another one of his lifelong studies was: "How does this exotic animal taste?"
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