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MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

It's a joke of a school that shouldn't be three weeks long

I'm old enough to remember when it was four weeks long.

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Forget this airborne stuff.

When can we just load Soldiers into cannons and fire them at the enemy?


*edit* OH MY GOD I WAS JOKING BUT IT"S REAL


1950's - Delivery of soldiers by rocket has been proposed before, including by General John B. Medaris, head of the Army Ballistic Missile Agency in the 1950s. The lander itself is designed to hold a 13-man squad and land in almost any terrain at any time, avoiding diplomatic concern for airspace rights.

2002 - Project Hot Eagle, launched by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Air Force Research Laboratory, could launch a squad on a suborbital trajectory in two stages and deliver them anywhere on two hours' notice.

Currently - Small Unit Space Transport and INsertion or SUSTAIN.

Actual drop pod assaults. LOL

spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Sep 21, 2020

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

spacetoaster posted:

Forget this airborne stuff.

When can we just load Soldiers into cannons and fire them at the enemy?


*edit* OH MY GOD I WAS JOKING BUT IT"S REAL


1950's - Delivery of soldiers by rocket has been proposed before, including by General John B. Medaris, head of the Army Ballistic Missile Agency in the 1950s. The lander itself is designed to hold a 13-man squad and land in almost any terrain at any time, avoiding diplomatic concern for airspace rights.

2002 - Project Hot Eagle, launched by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Air Force Research Laboratory, could launch a squad on a suborbital trajectory in two stages and deliver them anywhere on two hours' notice.

Currently - Small Unit Space Transport and INsertion or SUSTAIN.

Actual drop pod assaults. LOL

Now, THAT could be impressive. It would bring a whole new level to "shock and awe".

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Launching an ICBM but the payload is merely 13 highly concussed members of air force runway security

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Combine the two.
ICBP-
InterContinental Ballistic Paratroopers

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/21/nypd-cop-charged-with-acting-as-china-agent.html

gently caress. This guy is in my BDE(or was). Fuuuuck

MacPac
Jun 2, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Its probably something obvious, but whats the reason for airborne using the drops like a rock parachute instead of the more sporty stuff where you swoop down to a gliding landing?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

MacPac posted:

Its probably something obvious, but whats the reason for airborne using the drops like a rock parachute instead of the more sporty stuff where you swoop down to a gliding landing?

Cost, training, and doctrine.

Those are more expensive, require a more in depth skill set, and require a greater drop altitude. Mass Tactical drops are done at <1200 ft AGL; most drops in the 82d were at 800ft. There isn't enough time to gently caress around with chutes any more elaborate than "gets them to the ground in fighting condition quickly". Having angry jellyfish floating down slowly just makes a neat firing range.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

MacPac posted:

Its probably something obvious, but whats the reason for airborne using the drops like a rock parachute instead of the more sporty stuff where you swoop down to a gliding landing?

Airborne ops are massive amounts of troops being poo poo out of planes from 800-1200 feet. You only need gets down fast parachutes for that.

rifles
Oct 8, 2007
is this thing working
Roommate got a covid exposure at drill last weekend so we're all quarantining. Some e5 that said he doesn't believe in covid was working with them all day Friday cleaning and inventorying gear with no mask on while coughing like mad. He lied on his screening to be there.. called Saturday and said he couldn't smell or taste, took a test, results yesterday were positive.

If he gets it and we get it two of our other roommates can't fly for their aviation program until they get negative tests so their semester is basically over. Hooah.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZp-QG_XKs

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
This YouTubes is dedicated to the chump asking about Airborne School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ6QX-OsWUc

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

sometimes i think back to my army days and wonder how i was ever that god damned stupid

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

rifles posted:

Roommate got a covid exposure at drill last weekend so we're all quarantining. Some e5 that said he doesn't believe in covid was working with them all day Friday cleaning and inventorying gear with no mask on while coughing like mad. He lied on his screening to be there.. called Saturday and said he couldn't smell or taste, took a test, results yesterday were positive.

If he gets it and we get it two of our other roommates can't fly for their aviation program until they get negative tests so their semester is basically over. Hooah.

I'm sure ARMY will do the right thing and smash him with the full weight of whatever they can muster and not just forget about it.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
In retrospect, I'm really glad that I didn't get Airborne in my contract. I didn't jump out of any airplanes until I became a filthy civilian again and, surprise, my knees and back still (mostly) work!

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

I'm really glad I ended up in a Stryker unit and remained a five jump chump. Not only for my legs/knees/back, but also because rolling around Iraq in a Stryker beat the hell out of rolling in a questionably up armored humvee.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
I only ever spent time in an SBCT and have a favorable opinion of Strykers but SBCTs are full of guys from both IBCTs and ABCTs that hate Strykers with a burning passion. You can fit so much poo poo in/on a Stryker, great vehicle for a dismount oriented organization. I always had about 9 fuel cans on mine which is almost enough to completely refill the fuel tank.

Standing out of the hatch and offroading in a Stryker on a sunny day is some of the most fun I've had in the Army.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Having spent about an equal amount of time in airborne and stryker units I can say with some measure of authority that you should join the air force or coast guard instead of the army what is wrong with us all.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

A Bad Poster posted:

Having spent about an equal amount of time in airborne and stryker units I can say with some measure of authority that you should join the air force or coast guard instead of the army what is wrong with us all.


:hmmyes:

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby
We’re too hooah for our own good. I just wanted to be a Soldier/Diplomat I didn’t care if I had to jump out or planes to do it. Honestly the year I stopped caring about getting deployed they finally sent me on one.

And thanks for that throwback video.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Oh, that's not a throwback, that's a warning. You're going to watch that. A lot.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

A IS FOR pissssssssssssssssss

Crazy Mike
Sep 16, 2005

Now with 25% more kimchee.
I think I said this before but graduating Airborne school is what turned me from a slightly below average Soldier to a slightly above average Soldier.

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby

Crazy Mike posted:

I think I said this before but graduating Airborne school is what turned me from a slightly below average Soldier to a slightly above average Soldier.

I went from the best LT in my first BN to kinda middle of the road in my second one. Going to this next one where I kicked rear end at CCC right beforehand, I’m not sure where I’ll be, but at least I’ll be a team chief instead of the S4.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
You'll be still in the military, hth

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

the problems that come from jumping out of plane have very little to do with the actual jump. You'd be better off replacing it with actual light infantry training with a special focus on land nav and joining up with your unit/creating an ad hoc unit to accomplish objectives

the real point of airborne is to gatekeep people your command doesn't like

edit: like the marines don't have a month long school teaching you how to run through sand. Any military unit that can do light infantry/small unit tactics can be given a quick lesson on how to jump out of a plane/run through sand and come out the other end better off than random dipshits that spent a month jumping out of a plane in between jumping jacks.

PookBear fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Oct 8, 2020

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby
No kidding. When I first tried to join this unit I asked to be their S4. They said for Civil Affairs they wanted you to come in
(A) CCC for Civil Affairs qualified(takes 2 years)
Can’t get that without being in a CA unit or slot and still had to pass the airborne physical
(B) Airborne qualified before joining the unit as if that was at all possible to get a spot in the reserves
(C) as a CPT and I was a 1LT at the time

I asked if they could dual slot me with the S4. They said the spot was already triple slotted. Like wth.

Ashmole
Oct 5, 2008

This wish was granted by Former DILF

Mustang posted:

I only ever spent time in an SBCT and have a favorable opinion of Strykers but SBCTs are full of guys from both IBCTs and ABCTs that hate Strykers with a burning passion. You can fit so much poo poo in/on a Stryker, great vehicle for a dismount oriented organization. I always had about 9 fuel cans on mine which is almost enough to completely refill the fuel tank.

Standing out of the hatch and offroading in a Stryker on a sunny day is some of the most fun I've had in the Army.

They're also used at NTC and usually get owned because they get hosed up in the middle of contact. Had more fun on tanks doing NTC than on strykers.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
At NTC that's also an SBCT going up against an OPFOR with tanks and plenty of AT weapons. Almost everything an SBCT brings to the fight is outranged by the OPFOR at NTC. An SBCT has 12 MGS Strykers (105mm) and 9 ATGM Strykers. I never understood why they keep sending SBCTs up against an armored OPFOR.

I'm honestly not at all sure what the hell the Army wants to do with SBCTs because it is blatantly obvious that they are really bad at fighting armored opponents. They're somewhere in the middle between IBCTs and ABCTs but I think they have way more in common with an IBCT.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Mustang posted:

At NTC that's also an SBCT going up against an OPFOR with tanks and plenty of AT weapons. Almost everything an SBCT brings to the fight is outranged by the OPFOR at NTC. An SBCT has 12 MGS Strykers (105mm) and 9 ATGM Strykers. I never understood why they keep sending SBCTs up against an armored OPFOR.

I'm honestly not at all sure what the hell the Army wants to do with SBCTs because it is blatantly obvious that they are really bad at fighting armored opponents. They're somewhere in the middle between IBCTs and ABCTs but I think they have way more in common with an IBCT.

I was more effective with my SBCT at NTC when I was on foot doing LEDS stuff than I ever was on the trucks. I went a week along the ridges and killed about a battalion worth of poo poo with just my team and a TACP without ever being shot at once. An hour after getting onto the Strykers I got keyholed in the face at 3 klicks by a T-90 lmao

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
That's the same experience I had at NTC as a scout PL, we travelled at night in our Strykers and spent our days in OPs up on ridgelines and in the mountains. I don't remember any small arms engagements either, it was all indirect fire, javelins and AT-4s.

The thing that annoys me about poo poo like the T-90s at NTC is that they fire invisible lasers and you're definitely nowhere near close enough to hear their meager sound effects when fired so you have no idea where that laser is coming from.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
I'm so glad my broken rear end body got me out of actually doing NTC the one time I went down there. Shuttling people to and from Vegas and LA is way better.

Itchy_Grundle
Feb 22, 2003

UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

This YouTubes is dedicated to the chump asking about Airborne School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ6QX-OsWUc

The '70s porn/Shaft theme music would have made that school much more enjoyable. Thanks for the link.

zharmad
Feb 9, 2010

So I'm currently in quarantine with COVID at North Fort Hood and the response to it here is.... loving STUPID. First of all they are billeting males and females in the same barracks, which ok, I understand if you actually have space at a premium you have to do what you have to do. But when you initially take people to the symptomatic barracks for a 72 hour hold for their covid test to come back with results and and try to put a single female SPC in an open bay barracks with 20 males that aren't even from her unit and then try to force her to go in there while she's having a loving crying breakdown you don't loving tell me you won't get her any BH help because you have a signed memo from the III corps commander saying that the barracks are coed when you have an entire empty building just across the street that is there for the same purpose. Also when someone asks to speak to your commander you don't loving send me a butter bar.

Now in the isolation barracks there are only one man rooms, so ok, we'll work out if there's a female how we'll handle using the latrines and showers on our own, fine. But when you aren't even tracking who's in what room when there are open rooms but you try to put a male soldier into a female's room (who by the way was never issued a room key so she can't even secure her room while she's in the latrine or shower) someone other than the covid patients should have the loving balls to say "this isn't right".

Sorry if this makes no sense because covid has my brain pretty fuzzy but you all are about the only outlet I have right now when I outrank everyone else in here. I'd file an IG complaint to HQDA IG to get some vis on this but I'm not actually sure what regulations they might be breaking other than common human decency and (laugh) the army values.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Oof

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



zharmad posted:

So I'm currently in quarantine with COVID at North Fort Hood and the response to it here is.... loving STUPID. First of all they are billeting males and females in the same barracks, which ok, I understand if you actually have space at a premium you have to do what you have to do. But when you initially take people to the symptomatic barracks for a 72 hour hold for their covid test to come back with results and and try to put a single female SPC in an open bay barracks with 20 males that aren't even from her unit and then try to force her to go in there while she's having a loving crying breakdown you don't loving tell me you won't get her any BH help because you have a signed memo from the III corps commander saying that the barracks are coed when you have an entire empty building just across the street that is there for the same purpose. Also when someone asks to speak to your commander you don't loving send me a butter bar.

Now in the isolation barracks there are only one man rooms, so ok, we'll work out if there's a female how we'll handle using the latrines and showers on our own, fine. But when you aren't even tracking who's in what room when there are open rooms but you try to put a male soldier into a female's room (who by the way was never issued a room key so she can't even secure her room while she's in the latrine or shower) someone other than the covid patients should have the loving balls to say "this isn't right".

Sorry if this makes no sense because covid has my brain pretty fuzzy but you all are about the only outlet I have right now when I outrank everyone else in here. I'd file an IG complaint to HQDA IG to get some vis on this but I'm not actually sure what regulations they might be breaking other than common human decency and (laugh) the army values.

I mean if you want us to write our congressperson, we've got no bridges to burn.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Blow that poo poo up. That's a ticking time bomb before another person gets killed or sexually assaulted.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
I can't imagine the receiving units are doing a great job of checking in on that poo poo

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby
I was just in north fort hood for demob and I feel your pain. However I do know that you can get okay for texas standards food delivered so you maybe have that. We had our CSM talk to the cadre directly. I’m sure you can get a bored CSM or SGM to speak with them.

Also yes when we arrive for quarantine they said that we would be tested for symptoms once a day by their medical team. I saw zero medical personnel the entire time I was there. They didn’t even check our temps when we got off the bus from Africa.

They also dropped a random SPC into our female barracks two nights in. I thought that would reset our quarantine... I was hella pissed. But it didn’t change anything.

So yeah get your CSM on board or get on USAWTF asap.

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PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


There is something wrong with me that I noticed the guy in the picture wearing A2CUs doesn't have his boots bloused and isn't wearing flight approved boots anyway.

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