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Ok watched all the kung fu panda films, what the heck changed between 2 and 3. Its the same director, in theory, but 2 is a massively better use of its cast, more fights, props in fights, more kung fu storytelling, fights arent just squashes. Seriously, what the hell, that is an absurd drop in quality across the board between films.
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May 17, 2020 12:41
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I'm gonna guess 2 still had some creative ideas left over and 3 is where they checked out
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May 17, 2020 12:45
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Shneak posted:Yeah no Scoob is awful. The animation and voice acting itself wasn’t bad, but it was completed ruined by the plot and forced modernization of the characters. It has the most convoluted non-mystery plot with some of the weirdest bad choices. Also yeah making a point to use Simon Cowell of all people somehow back-dated the film to the early 2000s.
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May 17, 2020 12:52
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Barudak posted:Ok watched all the kung fu panda films, what the heck changed between 2 and 3. Its the same director, in theory, but 2 is a massively better use of its cast, more fights, props in fights, more kung fu storytelling, fights arent just squashes. Seriously, what the hell, that is an absurd drop in quality across the board between films. I thought 3 had some interesting ideas like the interplay between Po's dads and the fact that the main villain's chains were timed to his background music were both fun. It was overall less memorable though. Also the Jade Zombies were decently creepy.
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May 17, 2020 12:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm gonna guess 2 still had some creative ideas left over and 3 is where they checked out Its not just being out of ideas, because rehashing stuff would be a massive improvement. Like its beyond just the furious 5 do absolutely nothing in Kung Fu Panda 3, its that there are like 4 times as many fights in KFP2 and even the most throwaway fight is more interestingly setup, shot, and choreographed. I just really hate Squashes and KFP 3 is nothing but that. BioEnchanted posted:I thought 3 had some interesting ideas like the interplay between Po's dads and the fact that the main villain's chains were timed to his background music were both fun. It was overall less memorable though. Also the Jade Zombies were decently creepy. There are two separate fights with diegetic music/the fight making part of the song in KFP2. I liked the chains in 3, but again the fights are so short and only 3 of them (of 4! In the film) that you never get to build it to anything. Barudak fucked around with this message at 13:05 on May 17, 2020 |
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May 17, 2020 13:01
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My younger daughter just discovered Dora The Explorer, which I never watched when I was a kid. The format of the show is so strange - does she live in that computer? Is the animation intentionally bad to replicate a 90's educational computer game?
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May 17, 2020 13:08
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Found my answer for why KFP3 is such a huge drop in fight quality: Rudolphe Guenoden was the fight choreographer for KFP 1 and 2, but only did story art for the other films.
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May 17, 2020 13:24
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I think a good summary is this - the joke fight with a Radish in 2 has more interesting choreography and camera work than the Panda Village Siege in 3.
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May 17, 2020 13:41
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The villain guy was treated as a joke the whole time too, that didn’t help much.
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May 17, 2020 13:57
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I really liked KFP3, it has one of my favourite animated villains of all time 
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May 17, 2020 14:00
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I think the problem for me was he was never really shown as a credible threat. Not like the first two movies anyways.
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May 17, 2020 14:02
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Part of that is that the big instigating moment is him destroying part of the temple to show off, but a much worse story did that aspect better - Xiaolin Chronicles opens with the same gambit, but the villains go out to destroy the entire temple, not just one building, leaving the heroes homeless, and the destruction is directly caused partially by the heroes fighting back and being thrown through walls, so it's less "a villain showing off by beating up a statue" and more "the heroes and villains are fighting so hard it's literally earth-shattering" which is far more impressive.
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May 17, 2020 14:09
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Barudak posted:Ok watched all the kung fu panda films, what the heck changed between 2 and 3. Its the same director, in theory, but 2 is a massively better use of its cast, more fights, props in fights, more kung fu storytelling, fights arent just squashes. Seriously, what the hell, that is an absurd drop in quality across the board between films. I haven't sat down and watched the full thing yet, but I've watched all the clips YouTube has. The big problem I have with what I saw is that they seem to undercut every. single. thing with a joke. And I know the series has always had comedy to break up the seriousness, like Po setting his hand on fire during the big finale of 2. But it feels like every scene I watched every single serious moment or fight scene would immediately be deflated by a joke of some kind. It really killed the tone of all of them
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May 17, 2020 15:20
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In addition to jokes undermining every fight, there are only five of them in the film, seven if you are extremely extremely charitable regarding the boat scene and the setup to the final fight. In none of them except the final battle is there any seeming sense of urgency, and even there its purely because the villain has a technique that has no explanation or counter except as plot demands. Worse, the chi power is never really demonstrated and po never really practices it so when we roll to the final fight it doesnt really feel like that has any connection to his journey. You have:
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May 17, 2020 15:33
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I thought there were some dramatic moments that were kind of interesting like when Po's adoptive dad is comforting his bio-dad after Po finds out he lied to him and he's just like "Your sons mad at you, huh? I've been there." "But, I lied to him!" "I lied to Po for 20 years, you'll be fine." I also liked Po's side of that where he builds the training dummy after giving up on the chi thing and basically stonewalls Tigress because he's too focused on how much poo poo he's going to be in due to feeling unprepared.
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May 17, 2020 15:42
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Hedrigall posted:From this I assumed the cop in question would be some dadbodded chonky male cop character, which says a lot about the kind of twitter accounts I follow Sounds like we follow similar ones, as a few have mine have been all about Barley Lightfoot recently.
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May 17, 2020 15:53
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I really like the dad scenes in KFP3 but can't remember poo poo outside that
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May 17, 2020 18:38
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I also assumed that part of the problem may have been that Kung Fu Panda 2 was a full American Dreamworks production, while 3 was a co-production between the American studio and Dreamworks' newly founded 'Oriental Dreamworks Studio'-nee-Pearl Studios (which Chinese investors have invested a lot of money into). I assume at that point, notes went from American execs trying to mold it into something western audience pleasing, to international money men giving multiple notes that probably ruined a lot of creative choices. Not to mention the logistic hiccups that come from two studios, across the world, working on the same film.
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May 17, 2020 19:01
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I also assumed that part of the problem may have been that Kung Fu Panda 2 was a full American Dreamworks production, while 3 was a co-production between the American studio and Dreamworks' newly founded 'Oriental Dreamworks Studio'-nee-Pearl Studios (which Chinese investors have invested a lot of money into). I assume at that point, notes went from American execs trying to mold it into something western audience pleasing, to international money men giving multiple notes that probably ruined a lot of creative choices. Not to mention the logistic hiccups that come from two studios, across the world, working on the same film. I think a big factor is that since it was now actually made in China, the censors were also probably a lot more strict with the film. Even if the censors weren't directly telling them what to cut, I imagine the Chinese studio was trying hard not to piss off Winnie the Pooh.
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May 17, 2020 19:13
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Yeah. Kung-Fu Panda was a massive hit in China, and despite having all the things Chinese audiences love, it was not a film that would've been made in China due to the censorship boards.
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May 17, 2020 19:55
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flashy_mcflash posted:My younger daughter just discovered Dora The Explorer, which I never watched when I was a kid. The format of the show is so strange - does she live in that computer? Is the animation intentionally bad to replicate a 90's educational computer game? There's different versions for various languages, as she crosses over with her Chinese-language counterpart at one point.
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May 17, 2020 20:00
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Shneak posted:Simon Cowell (in TYOOL 2020) I keep seeing this gripe about Scoob and it's making me really wonder if some people just woke up from a 2004 coma, because Simon Cowell had a comeback as one of the America's Got Talent judges a few years ago and that show is loving gargantuan Like, unless it's specifically an American Idol reference (and even then, that show was supposed to come back semi-recently), that's not nearly as dated as people are trying to claim
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May 17, 2020 21:14
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It being a chinese co-production doesn't really explain why the action choreography tanked so much unless swapping between studios mean all motion had to he reduced, which, actually I kind of buy. For censorship, the KFP films are ridiculously safe movies in regards to what the CCP opposes and the 8 million Wuxia shows/movies with tons of acrobatic violence tells me thats not why the writing and other quality degraded so badly. Im gonna have to watch the direct to tv ones now to see if the pattern holds, arent I?
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May 18, 2020 01:17
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FilthyImp posted:Dora and her friends are just NPCs in a procedurally generated SCUMM-style edutainment game for kinderkids. In addition to teaching them basic school poo poo and biliteracy, it also covers basic computer skills (clicking, dragging, mouse use). I never even thought of it that way but it totally does. My kids have never known a world without touchscreens so I forget sometimes how things like mouse use might not be intuitive. As a learning tool I can't argue with its effectiveness. My 2.5 year old wanted me to open the gate yesterday she shouted 'abre!'
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May 18, 2020 01:34
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Barudak posted:It being a chinese co-production doesn't really explain why the action choreography tanked so much unless swapping between studios mean all motion had to he reduced, which, actually I kind of buy. I actually liked the DVD extra "Secrets of the Furious Five". The original Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite films, 2 is okay, and I own three but have never managed to watch the whole thing which is pretty unusual for me. Like, it's not BAD, I just don't care about what's happening.
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May 18, 2020 02:06
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I appreciate KFP2 a lot, its very inventive even if its mostly "just" a kungfu story and lacks the same heart as the first film, especially as James Hong duck disappears after the first act. It does an incredibly good job of integrating the films technique throughout the story and in a way that pays off in the finale, and gives the cast stuff to do. Importantly, it introduces multi-opponent fights and more movement between areas/prop usage which is a step up over the first film which is more like a western building up to two boss encounters.
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May 18, 2020 03:40
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The rain drop inner peace scene in KFP2 is easily the peak of the franchise, and one of the best scenes from an animated film in general (imo). I get goosebumps just thinking about how good that whole bit was—the flashbacks in traditional 2D were great, the music, and I loved Po's costume design with the bandages and stuff there. Super good movie; I'll watch it sometime this week now I think, hah.
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May 18, 2020 04:45
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I'll always have trouble with that one gag in Kung Fu Panda 2 when Shifu's talking about enlightenment through suffering and he claims that Po arriving was the worst day of his life. Really? Driving a tiger cub criminally insane through being the worlds worst teacher didn't rank higher? He's just lucky that Po was stable enough due to his father's influence that Shifu couldn't gently caress him up like he did Tigress and Tai Lung
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May 18, 2020 06:31
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Didn't one of the first 3d scooby movies use scrappy as a villain before? Why do they still do this I think it's the result of the joke being taken too far. Scrappy is apparently disliked a lot, so the people who used to watch him growing up now always make him the bad guy. (I liked Scrappy) It's like how after Hasbro bought Gobots most writers has the Transformers beat up the Gobots somewhere in the corner or throw away shots. BioEnchanted posted:I thought there were some dramatic moments that were kind of interesting like when Po's adoptive dad is comforting his bio-dad after Po finds out he lied to him and he's just like "Your sons mad at you, huh? I've been there." "But, I lied to him!" "I lied to Po for 20 years, you'll be fine." Having not seen KFP3, I really love all scenes with the dad in the previous 2 movies. They're depicted as just a healthy family despite being different. The adopted joke from KFP1 coming back up in later movies as not actually being a joke also never stops being funny to me.
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May 18, 2020 10:17
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I liked 2 more than one. A lot of that is Shen is such a good villain, but I also think the rain drop scene, the fight on the boats, and the cannonball scene are just insanely good compared to anything in the first movie (which I'm not saying is bad of course, the first movie is also really good). One aspect of the series that I do really like is how Po thinks Tigress is cool as hell. Like, he's the legendary dragon warrior! He's immune to Tai Lung's paralyzing attack, he found inner peace (at such a young age)! And yet anytime Tigress does or says something badass he think it's super cool and I love that.
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May 18, 2020 10:19
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KFP1 is great, but I have an irrationally strong dislike of the villain's voice casting. It just feels way off. KFP2 definitely wins in that regard. Edit: to clarify, not knocking the performance per se. I just don't like that voice coming out of that character. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 23:12 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 13:56
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I like moments of Iain McShane's performance, like the bewildered whisper on "But...but you're a panda.. he's a panda!?" I just like that he just kind of tosses the second line quietly off to Shifu really rapidly like he's expecting some kind of clarification from him. It's kind of like when someone's trying to speak after running really hard where they can only get their words out in short bursts on the exhales. It's like he can't decide whether this is really happening or whether Po and Shifu are gaslighting him for a laugh.
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May 18, 2020 14:01
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BioEnchanted posted:I like moments of Iain McShane's performance, like the bewildered whisper on "But...but you're a panda.. he's a panda!?" I just like that he just kind of tosses the second line quietly off to Shifu really rapidly like he's expecting some kind of clarification from him. It's kind of like when someone's trying to speak after running really hard where they can only get their words out in short bursts on the exhales. It's like he can't decide whether this is really happening or whether Po and Shifu are gaslighting him for a laugh.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL-UE7Et9OM&hd=1
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May 18, 2020 15:01
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I also love the wolf in the second movie, where he just has so many reactions that are completely purely canine, like when calling out Shen for loving up the timing on the Year of the Peacock he's nervously licking his face like a dog would. Also his reactions to fighting Po, like during their initial fight where he's like "Wow, your so soft! It's like punching a fluffy cloud!" and when describing him to Shen just "He fought like a demon, powerful and wild, but kinda... plush... and cuddly..."
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May 18, 2020 15:12
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"Buddy, I am the dragon warrior" is such a well delivered line
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May 18, 2020 15:20
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I would like to take a moment to discuss a cartoon with a rather bleak and troubling backstory. The actual work does not delve too deeply into this, but it is there. I am talking, of course, about TOTS, or Tiny Ones Transport Service. If you are unaware of what this is, it is a cartoon on Disney Junior about a penguin and flamingo who join the all-stork TOTS, who deliver babies all over the world from their floating island. The service is lead by a Captain, with dozens of workers. Baby animals of all kinds come to TOTS to be delivered out to their "moms and pops", wherein they are taken care of by a kindly koala, and then sent on a mechanized conveyor belt in order to be processed, diapered, given a pacifier, and finally set into a crate, to be delivered by the aforementioned storks. Or, in the show's case, the flamingo and penguin. The penguin can't fly, but has a good sense of direction, and the flamingo can't navigate worth anything, but he does have wings. The two of them are probably paid as much as one stork is, but the Captain felt like taking a chance on them. Paid? Oh, yeah. There's money in this. This is all for-profit! There is an episode where a peacock inventor comes to their island with a robot stork. He says he wants to show off his invention to the captain because he hopes she'll fire the storks and buy his robots. That has to mean money is changing hands at some point in this baby delivery service, right?? I mean, why would you buy these robot storks unless you're paying the flesh and blood ones! Presumably babies are purchased before the delivery, because the show never shows money changing hands (or paws, or flippers or whatever). There has to be other baby delivery companies too, because in one day, they're delivering their first baby blue whale, and the next, they're about to celebrate their millionth delivery. Well either that's the first blue whale baby ever, or someone else is covering those deliveries. Which is probably a good idea, because the storks needed to all team up to deliver this whale, and there can't be much profit if you have six deliverers on one assignment. Why yes, I am cooped up in a house with a 16-month old, why do you ask
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May 18, 2020 20:37
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I don't know much about TOTS but I do know it's made by Titmouse of all studios
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May 18, 2020 20:39
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I will say that terrifying implications aside, it's kind of a cute show, and they stealth had a baby delivered to a lesbian couple, so that's nice. They got more screentime then the cyclops lady from Onward or whatever. AMA about my opinions on Disney Junior shows Digamma-F-Wau posted:I don't know much about TOTS but I do know it's made by Titmouse of all studios It has a lot in common with The Venture Bros. Okay, maybe not really, but the presentation of the show shows that they actually care about how it looks and is animated, unlike those slapdash Puppy Dog Pals. drat you, Bingo and Rolly.
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I still need to watch Onward but I also don't want to bawl my eyes out right now.MinionOfCthulhu posted:drat you, Bingo and Rolly. Rolly is the best Dalmatian and I will hear none of this. To be honest, the best high school memory I have was sitting on the phone and watching Sesame Street with a friend of mine. We caught SO many adult jokes in that weird Elmo's World skit. Preschool shows kind of rule. Llama Llama is a cute Netflix show too.
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Onward was the saddest thing I've ever seen. A man took an incredibly touching, unbelievably personal experience of having two words of his dead father's voice to remember him by, and made a totally forgettable movie out of it. Imagine taking the most profound experience of your life and cashing it out to produce something where people go like, yeah, I think I saw that, had elves or some poo poo right
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