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Yeah I agree. Honest apologies are ridiculously useless when people can just ignore it and drag up the thing you’ve apologised for again in the future And the next time it’s dragged up 10,000 new 14 year olds who just joined twitter and don’t know you apologised before will start the whole thing again
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Robindaybird posted:There's really no words for how staggeringly self-absorbed and stupid that "Apology" video is, two hours to whine about cancel culture, misgendering a critic and how the problem is everyone is being too sensitive. It's not an apology video though, more like a lengthy breakdown about having things like [CW] a "rape rap" video produced out of catharsis after having suffered sexual assault that was never supposed to see the light of day thrown back into her face about how it's evidence she's a bad person, a full dozen years after the fact. I think she's tired, depressed, and angry (I'd argue justifiably so), and if it's self-absorbed, that's... well, sort of the point, as it's illustrative of the emotional toll over a dozen years of internet harassment from various fronts can take on a person.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:31
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mycot posted:Yeah that's what annoys me most about the whole thing; Raya IS derivative of Atla. Its definitely on purpose with movie studios now. Look at what happened with the Ghostbusters remake. It was incredibly obviously that the movie was going to be bad, but if anybody dared to point it out, the angry mobs would go after them. This was something deliberately encouraged by the people involved in the film.
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mycot posted:Yeah that's what annoys me most about the whole thing; Raya IS derivative of Atla. It’s kind of baffling to me how prominent creators aren’t seeing the similarities? They’re both literally titled “____ The Last ____”. But Ellis’ video has spawned a new bevy of tweets from prominent authors saying that they’re nothing alike, it couldn’t cross any reasonable person’s mind that the success of Avatar could have led to Raya getting greenlit. https://mobile.twitter.com/XiranJayZhao/status/1382884182288924676 I dunno, I work in animation and I’m 99% sure Avatar would have been brought up as part of the Raya pitch. Everybody in animation wants to work on an Avatar or Avatar-esque project. While the producers of Raya claim there’s no direct inspiration I didn’t see any rage against stuff like this Polygon article. https://www.polygon.com/22328422/raya-and-the-last-dragon-avatar-the-last-airbender-comparison But a one sentence off the cuff bit of twitter snark by Ellis brings down the rage hammer which really does make it seem like the whole thing is endemic to twitters gamification of rage. Ccs fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 03:37
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Ccs posted:It’s kind of baffling to me how prominent creators aren’t seeing the similarities? They’re both literally titled “____ The Last ____”. But Ellis’ video has spawned a new bevy of tweets from prominent authors saying that they’re nothing alike, it couldn’t cross any reasonable person’s mind that the success of Avatar could have led to Raya getting greenlit. It's also reasonable that Ellis, as someone whose entire career is based off of media analysis and critique, would make connections or notice similarities between works that might not be immediately noticeable to others. And in the video she straight-up says that's not a bad thing!
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Apr 16, 2021 03:41
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's not an apology video though, more like a lengthy breakdown about having things like [CW] a "rape rap" video produced out of catharsis after having suffered sexual assault that was never supposed to see the light of day thrown back into her face about how it's evidence she's a bad person, a full dozen years after the fact. Exactly. It's not an apology video. It's an analysis of twitter discourse using her own personal experiences as the lens. I'm not shocked that people have dismissed the video or said it's a mark against her despite obviously not having watched it. She even addresses in the video how people in harassment mobs will claim there is a "right" way to react that would resolve the whole thing, even though that is absolutely not the case. I think something that is very interesting about the attack you mention in spoilers is that it is a line of attack nazis tried to get going for years. It never really went anywhere until this situation which was mostly from "left" twitter. I think it's pretty revealing that the "cancelling" is not really coming from an ideological place. Don't harass non-nazis on twitter. It's not righteous.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:49
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's also reasonable that Ellis, as someone whose entire career is based off of media analysis and critique, would make connections or notice similarities between works that might not be immediately noticeable to others. And in the video she straight-up says that's not a bad thing! Yeah. In the above case though Xiran is also a media analysis person with special focus in East Asian influenced media. It’s possible that to her the difference between the South East Asian world of Raya is so different from the East Asian influence in Avatar that she can’t see how to people outside that demographic it’s seems so similar. “look it’s got Asian stuff and some nations with different magic and one of those Asian type dragons that are more flowy, it’s like Avatar.” But I still think it IS similar to Avatar? The people making it were just smart enough to take from a different part of Asia so the similarities weren’t too apparent or could be chalked up to coincidence.
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Even if Lindsay meant it was similar from an Asian inspired media perspective rather than all the other reasons, it’s a big leap to “Lindsay is actively contributing towards violence towards Asian Americans” I’m talking Olympic-qualifying jumping-competition calibre of leaping
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Apr 16, 2021 04:12
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Ccs posted:Yeah. In the above case though Xiran is also a media analysis person with special focus in East Asian influenced media. It’s possible that to her the difference between the South East Asian world of Raya is so different from the East Asian influence in Avatar that she can’t see how to people outside that demographic it’s seems so similar. “look it’s got Asian stuff and some nations with different magic and one of those Asian type dragons that are more flowy, it’s like Avatar.” Yeah, I think a lot of it is that she's looking at different things—like, in the video, Ellis mentions elements like "questing to a series of lands to get new element-based powers" and "the presence of a Zuko-like character" being the specific things she noted as similarities between the two and other works targeted at a YA audience. These are things that have nothing to do with the setting itself, but because ATLA and Raya are both heavily inspired by Asian cultures and aesthetics, that's the connection that many people are going to latch onto and assume she was referring to. Like... not to bring this into TLJ discourse (and this is just an example, I am not trying to relitigate TLJ here), but many of the people who liked TLJ liked it for bringing something new and different to Star Wars. But that wasn't the connection I made—what I saw was a series of scenes that felt like remakes of bits from ESB and RotJ, occasionally scrambled or recontextualized, and I ended up disappointed in the film because I wanted something new and didn't feel TLJ actually delivered. These are personal observations/opinions, and it's perfectly acceptable for people to disagree or not see the connections that other people are making. And sometimes, it can really require good faith dialogue and nuance to understand where people are coming from—two things that are practically impossible to achieve on Twitter. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 04:17
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Lindsay Ellis is at the absolute worst kind of a mediocre comedian and critic who may have been a lovely friend at times and said some lovely things (I like some of her stuff and have enjoyed her off and on since Nostalgia Chick). But even at her most worst level, she's just something you should ignore. And she's right calling out why SHE specifically is someone who gets dragged so intensely.
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Apr 16, 2021 04:18
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It is worth creating a 2 hour analysis trying to understand this arbitrary social phenomenon nobody wanted
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Apr 16, 2021 04:28
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Wittgen posted:Exactly. It's not an apology video. It's an analysis of twitter discourse using her own personal experiences as the lens. I'm not shocked that people have dismissed the video or said it's a mark against her despite obviously not having watched it. She even addresses in the video how people in harassment mobs will claim there is a "right" way to react that would resolve the whole thing, even though that is absolutely not the case. it's only 7 minutes shorter than the runtime of raya the last dragon itself
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Apr 16, 2021 04:29
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I think the thing that gets lost in the shuffle is that Raya was a mediocre at best (I thought it was absolutely loving terrible but whatever) movie that was desperately trying to be an extended trailer for some D+ animated series that will totally absolutely happen and yet people are going to the loving mattresses over this poo poo. It is perhaps the most obviously calculated of calculated cash grabs and pretending it’s us Asian people’s chance at fuckin mainstream success is playing right into Disney’s multi billion dollar hands ON TOP OF putting the bar for success in Asian Excellence so low it mine as well be underground. You know, Minari wasn’t my favorite movie to come out this year but at least it had a very specific Asian worldview that was grounded in reality and wasn’t desperately trying to be a thousand hacky things at once for a corporation that owns like literally a quarter of all media. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 05:04
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It'd be cool to make a movie with little rod puppets. Like stop motion scale, but you don't have to animate the thing so meticulously and you greenscreen out the rods. Might be cheaper, who knows!
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FunkyAl posted:It'd be cool to make a movie with little rod puppets. Like stop motion scale, but you don't have to animate the thing so meticulously and you greenscreen out the rods. Might be cheaper, who knows! You might be interested in the Japanese-Taiwanese series Thunderbolt Fantasy, which uses puppets. Its had multiple movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muOeJ4fBps
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In case there's any Rhythm Heaven fans around, I came across this and it’s delightful: https://youtu.be/Pk0SjQSAb_8 Stop motion Munchy Monk!
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Regalingualius posted:Castlevania S4 is confirmed! It's nice to see a Netflix series not suffer the curse of being cancelled arbitrarily. Kaiju Cage Match fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 12:56
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FunkyAl posted:It'd be cool to make a movie with little rod puppets. Like stop motion scale, but you don't have to animate the thing so meticulously and you greenscreen out the rods. Might be cheaper, who knows!
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FunkyAl posted:It'd be cool to make a movie with little rod puppets. Like stop motion scale, but you don't have to animate the thing so meticulously and you greenscreen out the rods. Might be cheaper, who knows! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj8pnPdYwWw
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Ccs posted:It’s kind of baffling to me how prominent creators aren’t seeing the similarities? They’re both literally titled “____ The Last ____”. But Ellis’ video has spawned a new bevy of tweets from prominent authors saying that they’re nothing alike, it couldn’t cross any reasonable person’s mind that the success of Avatar could have led to Raya getting greenlit. That still boggles my mind. Like the moment the film was ANNOUNCED they were making comparisons to ATLA and the movie REALLY does not shy away at all from that. And yeah the rage is twitter in a Nutshell to gain followers, clout, etc., and kindly let them know that you make content on YouTube and Patreon. It's like loving clockwork at this point. I also agree about the sentiment of it being intentional by studios as it gives them multi-layered insulation from criticism and that poo poo absolutely loving blows.
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I think it speaks, quite frankly, to how immature and stunted most of these people are where they just hear someone say something and immediately go to "racist" because they have no actual frame of reference for what loving cinema actually is. It's the DCEU Synderverse bullshit all over again where it's a bunch of people who don't watch oscar-caliber films, who have never and would never touch specifically and realistically Asian films like Minari, Parasite, Old Boy - gently caress, even more simplistic and less complicated poo poo about the Asian experience like Always Be My Maybe and Crazy Rich Asians - trying to use whatever basics of film theory they Wikipedia'd to justify why the Disney dragon movie is good and not bad. It's a bunch of people with no actual depth of experience or knowledge claiming a movie for literal children about non-real, fantasy Asians that was very clearly aping another tv series for literal children about non-real fantasy Asians is somehow the pinnacle of the Asian experience. It's reflective of a complete lack of and ignorance to the wider world at large and being Terminally Online to the point of vastly overstating some generic animated children's movie as some hill to die on in popular culture. gently caress, Mulan was nearly 25 years ago at this point, and an infinitely better movie. But they're still both movies for children. If you liked it you liked it, but if your response to completely deserved criticism is an immediate sweeping accusation of ignorance and hatred grow the motherfuck up and watch an actually Asian film, loving challenge yourself intellectually. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:It's nice to see a Netflix series not suffer the curse of being cancelled arbitrarily. Well, it’s apparently going to be the last season, which... Isn’t terribly surprising in light of the accusations of Ellis being more than a bit sleazy. Though the director is already hinting at potential spin-offs or sequels https://twitter.com/samueldeats/status/1383090132090195968?s=21
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Castlevania 2. Can't wait for the bottle episode where one character spends the entirety of it crouched in the corner underneath a rock.
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NieR Occomata posted:Castlevania 2. Can't wait for the bottle episode where one character spends the entirety of it crouched in the corner underneath a rock. What a horrible night to have a curse
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Regalingualius posted:Well, it’s apparently going to be the last season, which... Isn’t terribly surprising in light of the accusations of Ellis being more than a bit sleazy. Hopefully it's like this https://twitter.com/MorgothGf/status/1170352389787750400?s=20
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Better it end in 4 seasons and tell a complete story than get canceled when the viewership fades. I'm rewatchining Legend of Korra season 1 these days and it's excellent. From what I remember it was ordered as a limited series so everything is super tight. The whole team is on the top of their game coming off the finale of The Last Airbender and the animation studio is delivering work that looks as good as anything in the 4 part finale to that series. Unsure if I should bother rewatching Season 2 because I remember things getting really convoluted, probably due to rushed writing when it turned out that Nickelodeon did want more seasons. Season 3 picks up again as one of the best thing Avatar has ever pulled off though. I also forgot how much nostalgia I have for these series. When I first heard Zuko's voice actor as the admiral of the fire nation fleet I got misty eyed. Ccs fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Ccs posted:Better it end in 4 seasons and tell a complete story than get canceled when the viewership fades. Definitely watch Beginnings 1 and 2 at least because they are the best of the season.
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Rufio! Rufio! Ru-fi-ooohhh!
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hiddenriverninja posted:Definitely watch Beginnings 1 and 2 at least because they are the best of the season. Granted, even the framing device for it is pretty convoluted like a lot of other stuff in Book 2  Really, though, I wish that they had done more with Raava in the second half of the series. IIRC, doesn’t she only get like one more five-second appearance when Korra finally found her groove again in 4?
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IShallRiseAgain posted:You might be interested in the Japanese-Taiwanese series Thunderbolt Fantasy, which uses puppets. Its had multiple movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muOeJ4fBps This is what I like to see Neon Noodle posted:Agree 
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Haha Thunderbolt Fantasy is incredible. The music and voice acting combined with those totally smooth faces that can barely blink just adds to the bewildering tone.
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Regalingualius posted:Granted, even the framing device for it is pretty convoluted like a lot of other stuff in Book 2 Also doing a rewatch of Korra and yeah Season 2 is rough after season 1. Not that there weren't issues there (the front half is really nice and evenly paced but then things go into overdrive after the Pro Bending tournament) but season 2 just feels really disjointed and...there. There doesn't feel like as much connective tissue as in S1 and things just happen so we can move on to the next point. However S2 did give us Varrick, and that salvages a lot.
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BrianWilly posted:They never did give us Grant Danasty, did they? I remember an Interview with Warren Ellis from like 2005 or whenever the Castlevania series was first announced as straight to dvd movies and he was excited about having Grant Danasty in it.
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Uuhhhh what? https://twitter.com/avatarnews_/status/1383146945837879300?s=21
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Fan made fake thing.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Fan made fake thing. You would think that but apparently not! quote:Polygon reached out to Nickelodeon for clarification, and we have been told to expect a trailer for the new series and a formal announcement from the company on Monday, April 19.
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They rejected more Avatar content when they thought they were up to their ears in ideas for shows, on the heels of all the things that came out in the 90s and 2000s, then nearly two decades later, they announce a new series, but it's just online fan discussion vtubing except made by the company that made Avatar, instead of more Avatar. This is like Disney using May 4 to announce a new series about fans debating Star Wars and then saying "welp, that's all".
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