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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Digamma-F-Wau posted:

Honestly it feels like half of Disney TV Animation's recent output has been trying to be a successor to Gravity Falls in one way or another. the Ducktales reboot, Amphibia, The Owl House, even Billy Dilley and Big City Greens (albeit in different ways than the rest)

seriously most of the shows I listed have a character that could be considered the show's answer to "Grunkle Stan"

Scrooge McDuck kind of already was, though. If anything he was probably an inspiration for Grunkle Stan, especially with specifically being a great-uncle.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Screen Troll 2 instead.

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ThermoPhysical posted:

How'd you get that Raccoon Goons tag for Animal Crossing?

The AC thread in Games and asking nicely.

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Barudak posted:

Every screenshot in the film with Brad Pitt has this forgotten 90s adventure game look to it. The film is absolutely terrible but at least it remind me of a fun genre of games

That's absolutely the vibe I got too.

Ghost Leviathan
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How many people watch Troll 2 by accident

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Until recently it was basically mandatory that children's stories had to have tragic endings, usually out of nowhere, where the quirky best friend/faithful pet always dies. Death By Newbury Medal they call it. Usually just ends up getting the kids confused at why grown ups love stories with sad endings for no reason.

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flashy_mcflash posted:

That's what I love about it. I extremely did watch the original when I was a kid and this is the only show that seems willing to fully embrace the inherent weirdness of the original property. Well I guess She Ra did a bit, but not like this.

The new DuckTales probably also qualifies. They make some loving deep cuts.

Ghost Leviathan
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Batman Brave and the Bold had an episode time travelling to meet Sherlock Holmes, but then again there was also the opener when he was storming the beaches of Normandy apropos of nothing with GI Robot.

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Captain Invictus posted:

lol

reminds me of the attempt to make a hip new future action version of The Phantom. You know, the 1930's newspaper comic strip that, according to wikipedia, is the first instance of a "superhero" wearing a skintight bodysuit which then became standard with superman etc

so let's set it in a future city, the year 2040, and call it Phantom 2040. And for spice, let's let the guy who animated Aeon Flux animate it, because why not, everyone needs more gangly people who just got out of a taffy puller in their lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_EcQodt3jA&hd=1

(it was actually way better than expected and the associated video game is one of the best licensed games and metroidvanias on the SNES/genesis)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axkqBaRqeE8&hd=1

To be fair, the whole deal with the Phantom is the generational thing, and there's a ton of Phantom stories that take place in the past with a previous Phantom, so why not in the future?

The 90s was wild, anything could get greenlit and you never know what might be good. I get the feeling 2040 might have been a similar deal to Batman Beyond were the writers got a stupid pitch ('Batman in high school' for example) and made it work by adhering to the letter of the law.

Ghost Leviathan
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The Phantom is still running, it's crazy popular in a lot of countries. In Australia I think it outsells Marvel and DC combined. (partly because it actually is sold in newsagents)

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Schwarzwald posted:

Did Phantom 2040 kick start the whole "superheroes in dystopian futures" thing or was it just a product of it? I know there was a whole slew of Marvel comics with the same premise, and Batman Beyond came out of that, too.

Batman Beyond wasn't really dystopian, just used cyberpunk aesthetics. Spider-Man Unlimited more technically qualified except it's not the future, it's Counter-Earth.

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Medenmath posted:

I think MonStar had a brief cameo in the 2011 series, too.

And that just made me think a Space Jam tie-in.

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Rand Brittain posted:

The Phantom newspaper strip comes up a lot in the relevant comics thread because the Phantom is just an unimaginably terrible person and the writers do not get this at all.

Like, there's a long storyline where the Phantom is showing some woman through his family's secret vault of treasure, much of it taken from pirates they killed, and at no point did occur to anybody involved that the Phantom is sitting on a huge trove of stolen property that he really should return.

The funny thing is that the Phantom is still way better than most superheroes, mind; compared to Batman, or maybe a closer comparison of Black Panther, the Phantom actually cooperates with authorities, with the president of Bangalla being basically his Commissioner Gordon, and acts as a peacemaker as much as a vigilante, mediating between tribes and setting up the Jungle Patrol that does search and rescue as well as law enforcement. And at least half the villains are usually predatory Westerners thinking they can take advantage of Africans with impunity. Plus, most of that pirate treasure was probably taken from colonialists anyway, so gently caress 'em.

It's kinda funny given even earlier stuff is surprisingly way less racist than the usual baseline for pulp; though there's quirky tribes and jungle legends and in earlier stories gimmicky weirdos living in hidden palaces, for the most part they're actually treated by both the story and the Phantom as human beings, and Bangalla has actual modern cities and a functioning government.

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Boxman posted:

This made me remember my favorite observation of the Toy Story movies, which I may have seen here first: that the logic of the toys not wanting to be seen moving is never really explained. Like, it's very important that they don't move in front of humans, except when it it's necessary to freak Sid out, or any of the billion times they moved more or less in plain sight and it stretches credulity to believe no one noticed. But it's a logical (if unsaid) way to tie off the logic of "your toys are alive but you never knew it" and the emotional cores of the stories resonate well enough that it really doesn't matter. It's like Marvel movies jettisoning secret identities left and right; they aren't the stories that the writers want to tell, and those stories are pretty good, so who cares about this other thing?

The first Toy Story does have the clear implication there are rules, and the toys know them instinctively (even Buzz when he doesn't know he's a toy) and feel no need to particularly explain them. Definitely one of those cases where any exposition would be worse than none.


LORD OF BOOTY posted:

I'm sort of amazed there hasn't been a good King Arthur movie since Excalibur, honestly. Like, it's not exactly rocket science, and I have no idea why there's all these attempts at "jazzing it up" and "modernizing it" when just doing the basic Malory arc straight gets you a loving sick movie.

e: well, tbf, if you count anime there's been a couple good ones (I'm mostly saying this so nobody else makes the Fate joke)

I think a part of it is that Hollywood hasn't been able to escape from the need to tell 'The REAL story' for what was obviously fiction even at the time, and strips out all the fantasy elements without adding anything equally interesting to replace them. (I wonder if you can blame Batman Begins for this) The other part is that Hollywood seems to have no idea how to make non-animated fantasy movies, outside of Lord of the Rings. Probably telling that every worthwhile King Arthur story is one that embraces the fantasy elements, and everyone loves a wacky Merlin. You can just make it a rollicking children's adventure that grows steadily into a tragedy.

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I get the idea with quite a few franchise movies like Hellboy and maybe Smurfs that the first movie is full of concessions to get by the suits and the second movie is the one they really wanted to make.

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Trolls 1 and 2 feels a bit like this, but reversed.

I enjoyed them both, but the first movie does feel less meddled with.

I keep on thinking Troll 2, and vaguely recall that doesn't actually have any connection to Troll.

But I think the other way around is probably even more common; the first movie is the original idea while the sequel is design by committee because they already used the good ideas and the original creators are usually checked out.


Macaluso posted:

I don't think Trolls 2 feels "meddled" with, outside of the weird inclusion of that random Troll from I guess the TV show or whatever she's from. I think it's more Trolls 2 feels like a movie Justin Timberlake wanted to make specifically, because it's so much more about music than the first one. Though seeing some of the animators talk about it on twitter, it seems like they had a blast doing Trolls 2 and visually it's certainly a step up from the first one (which already looked incredible)

I did get the impression that if it wasn't basically a variety musical, it probably should have been. Also the evil rock n roll trolls made me think Brutal Legend.

Ghost Leviathan
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Olaf is the Dr Manhattan of snowmen.

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Boxman posted:

I just now realized that the bizarre princess meta scenes in Wreck it Ralph 2 were the only chance Disney had to reference Kingdom Hearts and they just let that slip by.

That's probably just as well.

Barudak posted:

Think of Olaf as a local instance with the ocean acting as his backup server. Since Elsa can manipulate water, she probably routinely clears out unused bits of local Olaf to keep him running smooth on his smaller capacity memory format and ports them back to the sea. So at any given time there is at least two olafs but for brief moments when water goes through the entire cycle they are the same person.

So is the sea basically The Great Link but for snowmen

Ghost Leviathan
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Also does this make Frosty's hat his backup memory

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Rock a Doodle comes off as like, Bee Movie levels of weird and directionless, like they lacked a central thesis and just threw ideas together. Haven't seen either, mind.

Ghost Leviathan
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Animators are perverts as a rule.

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While Kamiya got mad that people were making Bayonetta porn where she was being submissive and demanded the artists depict her as dominant.

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It's not like they're going to tear down all the cinemas. From the consumer perspective likely the only significant difference will be a different logo.

Ghost Leviathan
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I watched that Mortal Kombat animated movie and despite it clearly being an attempt to show off how cool and badass Scorpion is, Johnny Cage still steals the show.

Ghost Leviathan
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Remember the newspaper guy who got really horny for the mom in Incredibles 2

Ghost Leviathan
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I'm gonna guess 2 still had some creative ideas left over and 3 is where they checked out

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P sure every Don Bluth movie is uncomfortably horny in retrospect

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Phylodox posted:

Except for The Land Before Time.

That's instead uncomfortably hungry.

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Bongo Bill posted:

Atlantis had the kind of premise, plot, and cast that would've made a killer limited TV series. But it came along before Avatar proved that serial adventure cartoons could succeed. Its short running time ruined it, but that's the compromise it probably had to make in order to exist at all.

Weirdly enough the straight to video sequel to Atlantis is basically built out of some episodes they made for a TV series.

Kinda feels like the swan song of 2D animation was full of beautiful messes.

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Robindaybird posted:

It's kind of weird, but yeah I was in the age range, even Hunchback got some 'too kiddy' response from kids my age, it's kind of a spillover from the earlier, more kid-friendly films even if applied unfairly to Hunchback.

Might have been a result of Disney oversaturation in the 90s, their reputation started working against them. There's a reason they were looking out for a reliable franchise for boys for a long while before they finally got to buy Disney and Marvel.

Doesn't help that Disney seemed eager to enforce a strict division between movies and TV for the most part; the Disney Afternoon was ridiculously popular but seemed to be locked up tight in the vault until recently. Movies could get spinoff shows (I think Lilo and Stitch was the last big one) but shows rarely if ever graduated into theatrical movies, though I think the DuckTales movie underperforming might have influenced that.

That and it seems Disney overall seemed almost ashamed of stuff that DID have appeal to older male and mixed demographics, Kingdom Hearts comes to mind.

Sir Lemming posted:

And of course, Pixar was the new hotness. Toy Story came out between Pocahontas and Hunchback. Kind of a perfect storm really.

I think this might be it. Pixar was managing to make the multi-demographic appeal blockbusters that broke the rules while Disney's formulaic animated features were a victim of their own ubiquity. Everyone knew what they were getting. Kind of the reason why the early trailers for Lilo and Stitch was Stitch intruding on the trailers for Aladdin and such, they were desperate to show that this wasn't your dad's Disney movie.

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Ednamamame posted:

To be fair to Zira's death, that was down to cutting to hide the fact that she actually killed herself there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoctlRyGdf8

It's such a shame Lion King 2 was at the very start of the DVD craze. Imagine if it had the same animation quality as the goddamn Timon and Pumbaa movie!

Still kinda crazy that while The Lion King 2 ripped Romeo and Juliet, the Timon and Pumbaa movie is in turn Rozencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead.

Also there's technically been two spin-off cartoons to The Lion King.

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Pick posted:

I would say that there is a lot about it that is visually appealing, but not the main character. Also, frankly the main character looks like he's from a different movie, it's very jarring.

Seems like a bit of a problem with a lot of movies that an imaginative setting and aesthetic is shackled to the most generic possible White Male Lead.

Another way Lilo and Stitch broke from the mould, come to think of it.

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Vaan was literally a last minute addition when Squeenix's suits didn't want a female-led Final Fantasy iirc.

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'Forbidden' is just a really good word. You can put that in front of anything to make a kickass title.

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Mostly I just remember this ad from when I was tiny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdbyR5zcrHU

Point is though, you don't need to cram it into an existing title, all you need is to put it in front of some random word and it becomes evocative as gently caress.

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IIRC, Bugs is actually a throwback to his original depictions. Pretty much all the famous toons have had different personalities over the years.

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BioEnchanted posted:

I like the deconstruction of the power of love - it's powerful yes, but it's not only on the hero's side.

Doesn't The Last Unicorn do something like that?

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It really does seem a theme in the 90s/early 00s movie animation where the male leads are always the most dull characters in the movie by a long shot, and it really drags the whole thing down. Only exceptions are like, Quasimodo and Beast, and that's where the concept forces them to make the designs look interesting. (and to a lesser extent Aladdin) And comes to mind that Shrek, specifically set up as a mockery of Disney movies, goes out of its way to have a big ugly ogre protagonist who is literally the face of the marketing.

Disney in particular seemed to struggle with male leads being basically unchanged from the goddamn 30s, right up until Tangled where they apparently designed Flynn Rider from the ground up with various visual characteristics designed to appeal to women. And in Frozen, they just finally went gently caress it and made the Disney Prince the villain.

Does make you wonder if it took Marvel Studios to finally thread the needle with a diverse lineup of various kinds of hunky boys.

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Timeless Appeal posted:

I do appreciate, and this is true, that he is usually drawn with his ring on his lefthand as opposed to Hal and the other Lanterns who wear their rings on their right hands.

EDIT: I also like the Green Lantern animated movie which is literally just Training Day with Hal and Sinestro. It was a really clever idea.

Also his yellow ring uses the power of fear

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They're also in Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, which demonstrates that Big Boss speaks Cat.

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