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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Sleeveless posted:

As someone who loves both grimdark takes on fairytales and hollywood nepotism I am beyond hyped!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=128Q-SK7Fzc

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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Sir Kodiak posted:

Jena Malone, who played the young Eleanor Arroway in Contact, is now 35, which is how old Jodie Foster was when the 1997 movie came out, so they should just get her for the remake. That way they can simply reuse that beautiful into-the-mirror tracking shot.

They should make a set in the present day sequel where she plays Foster and McConaughey's kid.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007




i watched this, it was very bad

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


muscles like this! posted:

It's a cheapo horror movie so pretty much any money will make a profit.

Is horror the only genre that has successfully avoided the budget bubble? Because it seems like everything else now cost $100 million.



good question

did romcoms just kinda go by the wayside?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Pope Corky the IX posted:

Which was the one where Matthew McConaughey is on a water planet with a big metal box that can walk like it has legs?

Serenity, again.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Chairman Capone posted:

Serenity, again.

What? No, this was a few years ago. I remember the plastic bag kid from American Beauty drowning on the ocean planet.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

Ah, you're thinking of the Joss Whedon movie Serenity.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

But I don't remember any women getting the poo poo beaten out of them in the name of feminism...

One More Fat Nerd
Apr 13, 2007
no neckbeard, though.



Nap Ghost

AceOfFlames posted:

Matthew McConaughey is a fisherman named Baker Dill (seriously) living on this tiny island obsessed with catching a giant tuna called "Justice". He gets approached by his ex wife Anne Hathaway who offers to pay him $10 million to kill her rich husband who is abusing her and their son. McConaughey hems and haws about killing the dude or not. Then all of a sudden it's revealed by a fishing gear salesman that they are actually inside a video game. The real Baker Dill (who as it turns out has a much more normal name) died in Iraq and the movie takes place in a fishing video game Dill's son has modded to cope with his stepfather's abuse and he recreated his dad, mom and stepdad inside the game. The game itself tries to stop Dill from killing the virtual step dad since it's "against the rules" (nobody is supposed to die in a fishing game I guess) but he manages to do it anyway, and this in turn gives his real son the courage to stab his real step dad to death. The End.

I'm not making this up. This movie EXISTS.


I love that this movie still sounds completely insane WITHOUT including the mom-loving subplot the poster above you mentioned.

Now i kinda want to see it lol.

SleepCousinDeath
Oct 13, 2012


feedmyleg posted:

Ah, you're thinking of the Joss Whedon movie Serenity.

I think he’s referring to Polish science fiction film Na srebrnym globie

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


question: if i have serenity spoiled for me is it still worth watching

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004



It was never worth watching, but also yes.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Clapping Larry

Alan Smithee posted:

question: if i have serenity spoiled for me is it still worth watching

It is exactly as worth watching as it has always been

Efb

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Feb 11, 2015

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Alan Smithee posted:

question: if i have serenity spoiled for me is it still worth watching

Whedon Serenity, not really, it's not the literal worst space movie ever made but it never rises above "kinda fun"

McConaughey Serenity, it really kind of depends on how much you like gawking at trainwrecks

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007



Neo Rasa posted:

They should make a set in the present day sequel where she plays Foster and McConaughey's kid.

Honestly, you could do some pretty interesting things with how society would react to the whole event, whether people would believe the US government's coverup, whether other countries would play along, etc. And tie that into a child's efforts to prove her mother right. Definitely a better idea than just remaking it. I do miss some of the ending stuff from the book, which gets a little bit more into what the aliens are up to, but the movie got way too much right to bother taking another swing at it.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


LORD OF BOOTY posted:

McConaughey Serenity, it really kind of depends on how much you like gawking at trainwrecks

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003


THere is a huge post on a Star Wars subreddit with a bunch of information on a supposed different version of Rise of Skywalker that existed before Disney interference, no clue if it is fanwank or reality or something in between, but it caused a #releasethejjcut to trend on twitter. Adding it here for when people randomly start talking about this like they do with the Snyder Cut and so you'll know what the heck is going on and can sound like a wise sage speaking to a lost traveler in the desert.

Spoilering it all just in case and pasting it all just in case it vanishes into the memory hole:

https://i.reddit.com/r/saltierthanc..._a_source_that/


Since shortly after release weekend, I’ve been corresponding with someone who worked closely on the production of TROS and works for one of the major companies I cannot disclose here. I have verified the source to my satisfaction. To protect the source, I am rewording what we spoke about over the last two weeks and am submitting it to you in bullet point format I have written based on what they told me. The TLDR is that they were upset with the final product of TROS and wanted to share their perspective on how it went down and where it went wrong.

The leakers for TROS had an agenda and are tied to Disney directly. My source confessed that they have an agenda as well in that they struggle with ignoring what’s been happening to someone who they think doesn’t deserve it.

JJ always treated everyone on and offset with respect so my source’s agenda is that what Disney has done to JJ and how much they screwed him over should be something people are at least aware of, whether you like him as a filmmaker or not.

Disney was one of the studios who were in that Bad Robot bidding war last year. Disney never had much interest in BR as a company but they did in JJ because they saw WB (who JJ went with in the end) as a major threat.

JJ is very successful at bringing franchises back like Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars. WB is struggling with DC and aside from Wonder Woman, DC is still seen as a bit of a joke in its current state by the GA.

WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.

My source mentioned this shortly after the premiere: “The TROS we saw last night was not the TROS we thought we worked on”.

JJ was devastated and blindsided by this. He’s been feeling down over the last 6 months because of some of the ridiculous demands Disney had that changed his movie’s story. While the scenes were shot, a lot of the changes were made in post-production and the audio was rerecorded and altered. My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.

Apparently, JJ felt threatened over the month leading up to the premiere.

Rian was never meant to do IX despite some rumors that he was.

JJ was brought back by Iger, not KK. Disney insisted on more fan service, less controversy.

JJs original agreement when he signed on was indicating he would have way more creative control than he did on TFA. It became evident this wasn’t the case only a couple of weeks into shooting when the trouble with meddling started.

JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.

May 2019: JJ argued that those scenes were crucial. He had to let go of one of the scenes. The other scene he insisted on was approved at first. He did reshoots and additional photography in July. The new scene was shot at BR in October.

The “ending that will blow your mind” was a part of this. Older actors were included like Hayden, Ewan and Samuel and anyone who wasn’t animated. The force ghosts weren’t meant to be voices because they shot that footage on camera. The actors were in costumes. Rey was supposed to be surrounded by the force ghosts to serve as sort of a barrier between her and the Sith surrounding them.

My source thinks but can’t 100% confirm that this is because of China. It’s an office talk of sorts. Some VFX people claimed they got a list of approved shades of blue they could use on the Luke force ghosts. Cutting this out was when the bad blood turned into a nightmare for JJ because the movie he was making was suddenly unrecognizable to him in almost every way.

My source knows JJ well enough to know that he’s just not the yelling type but apparently in a meeting he yelled something along the lines of “Why don’t you just put ‘directed and written by Lucasfilm’ then?” My source wasn’t present for that exchange but knows some who were.

Disney demanded they shoot some scenes that would have things in it for merchandise. “They fly now” is one of them. It’s also JJ’s least favorite scene. At a November screening of a 2:37 cut, he cringed, groaned and laughed when the scene was on.

My source says that JJ was most likely not joking when he said “you’re right” in the interview where they asked him about TROS criticism.

JJ’s original early November cut was 3 hours 2 minutes long.

In January, JJ suggested that they turn this into two films. My source told me this well before Terrio mentioned it in an interview a couple of days ago. When Disney said no, JJ was content with making this 3 hours long.

Over a period of 9 months JJ started realizing that one by one his ideas and whole scenes were being thrown out the window or entirely altered by people who have “no business meddling with the creatives”.

They were not on the same page when it came to creative decisions and it became obvious that Disney had an agenda in addition to wanting to please shareholders. Disney could “afford messing up IX for the sake of the bigger picture” when it came to protecting things unrelated to IX.

The cut JJ eventually and hesitantly agreed to in early December was 2:37 minutes long. It wasn’t the cut we saw which he wouldn’t have approved of (and which is 2:22 long). Apart from the force ghosts, there were other crucial and emotional scenes missing. The cut they released looked “chopped and taped back together with weak scotch tape” (JJ's words).

The movie opened with Rey’s training. Her first scene with Rose was shortly after Rey damaged BB-8 during the training. Rose made a silly joke about how Poe is going to kill her for damaging BB-8. There was a moment where Rey took a minute to process what just happened when she saw that vision during training. She looked distressed and worried. The next scene was noise as the Falcon was landing and Rey runs over there. Those two women who kissed at the end were visible in this shot and they were holding hands. One of them ran towards the Falcon as it landed.

Kylo on Mustafar scene was 2 mins longer. There was a moment where Kylo seemed a bit dizzy and his vision was shown as blurry for a second. Almost as if time half-stopped while everyone in the background was slow-mo fighting. Kylo hears Vader's breathing, then shakes his head and time goes back to moving at a normal pace and he jumps right back into the battle (the scene from the trailer where he knocks that guy down which did end up in the movie later).

They cut some of the scenes from the lightspeed skipping segment. Some of the planets that were cut were Kashyyyk, Naboo, and Kamino.

The scene where the tie fighters are chasing them through the iceberg - those corridors were inspired by a video game JJ used to play in the 90s called Rebel Assault 2 (the third level in the game with the tunnels on Endor specifically).

Jannah was confirmed to be Lando’s daughter.

Rey not only healed Kylo's face scar but she killed Kylo when she healed Ben. Kylo ceased to exist when Rey healed him. My source mentioned that some people assume it was Han Solo who healed him but that isn’t true and that wasn't Han Solo. That was Leia using her own memories as well as Ben's to create a physical manifestation of his own thoughts to nudge him towards what he needed to do. That was her own way of communicating that with him. And it wasn't possible without her dying in the process. She made the ultimate sacrifice for her son and this flew over people's heads with the Disney cut.

The late November cut (the last cut JJ approved of) had scenes with Rose and Rey still. JJ wanted to give her a more meaningful arc. Disney felt that that was too risky too. My source mentioned that Chris Terrio said that it was because of the Leia scenes but this is only partially true because she had four other scenes including two with Rey/Daisy that Leia was not in.

Finn wanting to tell Rey something was always meant to be force sensitivity. In the 3 hour cut, it’s explicitly stated. There was a moment when Jannah and he were running on top of that star destroyer and Finn needed to unlock or move something and he force-moved it and acted surprised when it happened. This was replaced with a CGI’d BB-8 fixing whatever he needed to fix on there.

Babu Frik was nearly cut because some execs at Disney thought he would be the new Jar Jar. They are really surprised that people love him this much. He was JJ's idea and was created in collaboration with some artists and puppeteers. The personality was all JJ.

There were a bunch of scenes where Rey and Kylo (separately) went through quiet moments of reflection to deal with what they were going through. On her part, her going through the realization that there's something sinister about her past. Him going through regret and remorse but trying to shut it out. My source said that the Kylo scenes were especially amazing because of Adam's performance and how he managed to portray that inner turmoil. It provided much more context and added deeper meaning to both his battle with Rey and the final redemption arc at the end. It didn't happen so suddenly and it was more structured than what we got.

The Kylo/Rey scene where he dies was at least 4 minutes longer with more dialogue. Ben was always supposed to die. Source also added that if he wasn’t, then that might’ve been in an earlier draft which they haven’t read. The first draft they read included Lando (the first few didn’t). The Reylo kiss and Ben’s death was not part of the reshoots. It was a part of the re-editing. Even the cut that JJ thought was coming out earlier this month had a longer version of that scene than what was shown in the theatrical cut.

JJ was against the Reylo kiss (or Reylo in general). This was Disney's attempt to please both sides of the fandom.

JJ was not happy with where TLJ took the story. The final result is a mix of that story and the story told by Disney and whoever they tried to impress (“certainly not the fans”). JJ is gutted over the final result. Star Wars means a lot to him. He had to sacrifice large chunks of the story in TFA but he was promised more creative control on TROS and instead the leash they had him on was only tightened as time went by. A source said that this is the one franchise and the one piece of his work that he didn't want to mess up and instead it turned into his worst nightmare. When he found out that he was blindsided with the cut they presented, he said "what the gently caress??" when Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren at the end and the Williams music that was used for it was not what he wanted at all. He seemed to think it was out of place.

JJ's cut still exists and “will always exist”. We most likely will never see it unless “someone accidentally leaks it.”

Ok, so there you have it. If there are questions, I will try to follow up with my source but it’s up to them if they want to share more so I cannot guarantee an answer.

Edit: I forgot one thing that the source wanted included, concerning FinnPoe in TROS:

The source asked about FinnPoe after seeing Oscar Isaac's comment about how Disney didn't want it to be a thing. This is true. JJ fought to make this happen. This is why Oscar is blaming Disney. It's not just a random throwaway comment. He knows for a fact that it was Disney because these discussions happened. The main cast is insanely close with JJ and are just as pissed, though seemingly more outspoken about it than JJ. During TFA, Disney was hesitant to hire John Boyega because a woman was front and center so they deemed that risky enough so bringing in a male lead who's black made them nervous. JJ fought to make that happen for about nine months before getting approval. The same issue came up when JJ fought to have Finn&Poe in TROS but he lost that battle as he lost many creative battles for this film. Many people, JJ included, came to the realization during this production that the story really is told by shareholders/investors instead of the creatives or anyone at Disney specifically. He tried to make a lot of things happen and was shut down because of this. They had him on a leash and many blame TLJ for the stricter creative approach.


Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013
some dirty-sneaker-inbred-out of the woods-Pabst beer pussy methhead-junkie running all around town telling EVERYONE EVERYTHING ABOUT ELON MUSK


JJ Abrams has disappointed me too many times for empathy to kick in

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Tars Tarkas posted:

THere is a huge post on a Star Wars subreddit with a bunch of information on a supposed different version of Rise of Skywalker that existed before Disney interference, no clue if it is fanwank or reality or something in between, but it caused a #releasethejjcut to trend on twitter. Adding it here for when people randomly start talking about this like they do with the Snyder Cut and so you'll know what the heck is going on and can sound like a wise sage speaking to a lost traveler in the desert.

Spoilering it all just in case and pasting it all just in case it vanishes into the memory hole:

https://i.reddit.com/r/saltierthanc..._a_source_that/

This is a more complete account of the "JJ Cut" from months ago. For those wondering, the guy who posted this later talked about all the reshoots that happened (still a long time before the movie came out) and he was spot on, so this is as legit as it will likely get:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLe...ix_the_rise_of/

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012


Tars Tarkas posted:

reddit poo poo

my uncle who works at nintendo has confirmed all these details and has told me that they aren’t the delusions of a brain broke idiot

QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jan 3, 2020

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


yeah i think the only reddit remor that came true was Game of Thrones and the kid who couldn't zig zag

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

The future? You mean like flying cars? Hotels on the moon? Tang?


Grimey Drawer

That reddit post is like 20% truthful nuggets from earlier leaks (Jannah as Lando’s daughter, the mustafar scene being longer and involving Hux/Pryde, a big budget “force flash” saber duel that would have seen Kylo and Rey duel across locations emotionally important to each of them, etc) and 80% OP conjecture and wishful thinking. JJ is not some auteur hamstrung by the big evil studio from making “the movie he always wanted to make!”, and co-writing TRoS with the guy responsible for Batman vs Superman and Justice League was always going to lead to a giant incoherent mess.

That post also tries to further the completely imaginary and idiotic “rivalry” between JJ and Rian. Any changes and retcons from TLJ are 100% the fault of angry twitter fans and JJ/Disney trying in vain to appease them.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

and co-writing TRoS with the guy responsible for Batman vs Superman and Justice League was always going to lead to a giant incoherent mess.

While you're not necessarily strictly wrong, it's probably worth noting that those movies got hilariously turbofucked by their studios too

I kind of get the vibe Terrio is who you hire if you're gonna hack the resulting movie to pieces

The MSJ
May 17, 2010



Terrio seems more like a cypher for whoever is in charge of the movie he's writing. TROS sounds like a very JJ Abrams movie and BvS or the Snyder Cut of Justice League are very obviously Zack Snyder movies.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017



Studios overmanaging and meddling with movies to get ahead of any perceived controversy and to sell merchandise with no regard to coherency or quality is the most believable narrative by far.

Cael
Feb 2, 2004

I get this funky high on the yellow sun.



Big Mean Jerk posted:

JJ is not some auteur hamstrung by the big evil studio from making “the movie he always wanted to make!”,

That is definitely what sinks 90% of any of these stupid arguments. This isn't "Josh Trank is doing his 2nd studio film and Fox absolutely cuts Fan4stic to ribbons." This is loving JJ Abrams. Sure Disney probably made changes but it's not a completely different movie out there.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Studios overmanaging and meddling with movies to get ahead of any perceived controversy and to sell merchandise with no regard to coherency or quality is the most believable narrative by far.

And the irony is that they were blindsided by the fact that Baby Yoda would become the most culturally-dominant Star Wars element in years, and are stuck without any merchandise to churn out for months.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

I could hear the roots of loneliness creeping through me when the world was hushed at four o'clock in the morning




i refuse to believe jj abrams looked at the "they fly now" thing and didn't think that was super cool

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019



Chairman Capone posted:

I remember the local video store when I was a kid had a copy of Deepstar Six and the cover terrifying me. Never saw the actual movie but from what I heard it's not as good as what scared kid me imagined it would be like.

Those old boxes were great because being a kid you knew nothing and often weren’t allowed to rent from that section anyway. Having digital copies of everything really sanitizes my collection until I reload Plex and all those glorious covers come back and sell me on watching some old poo poo again.

And some day, some day I will watch Ghoulies. Probably the most tempting VHS case ever made.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

Ghoulies is fun but nothing to write home about. Ghoulies 2, however, is an all-time creature-feature and—more importantly—it actually pays off the poster moment.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Chairman Capone posted:

And the irony is that they were blindsided by the fact that Baby Yoda would become the most culturally-dominant Star Wars element in years, and are stuck without any merchandise to churn out for months.

The stupidest part is they deliberately didn't make any Baby Yoda toys because they were worried about spoilers. Like, mutherfuckers you put out so much Star Wars merchandising crap toys that a Baby Yoda doll would have completely flown under the radar except for the most hardcore of hardcore nerds.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003


Watch the first 3 Ghoulies for sure, the 4th one is different enough you don't have to see it and the creatures are little people in masks instead of puppets. I didn't think it was that terrible but some fans of the earlier ones hate it

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

I'm just always going to be more on board for puppets/animatronics than dudes in costumes. Except, of course, kaiju.

muscles like this! posted:

The stupidest part is they deliberately didn't make any Baby Yoda toys because they were worried about spoilers. Like, mutherfuckers you put out so much Star Wars merchandising crap toys that a Baby Yoda doll would have completely flown under the radar except for the most hardcore of hardcore nerds.

It's not like all the movies weren't spoiled by Legos.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017



feedmyleg posted:

I'm just always going to be more on board for puppets/animatronics than dudes in costumes. Except, of course, kaiju.


It's not like all the movies weren't spoiled by Legos.

Remember the Mandarin showdown?

For all that Disney desperately wants to monetise Star Wars they're basically doing everything wrong at every opportunity.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

Can't wait to see how they make me hate Indiana Jones.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon


Nap Ghost

feedmyleg posted:

Can't wait to see how they make me hate Indiana Jones.

Indiana Jones love interest Marion was under age when they had a relationship and he left her, something she complains about to him by saying she was young when they meet in her bar. She was 15. Indiana Jones is a pedophile. According to the novelization.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Nope



Tars Tarkas posted:

THere is a huge post on a Star Wars subreddit with a bunch of information on a supposed different version of Rise of Skywalker that existed before Disney interference...
I read about that earlier this afternoon and, even if it's complete fanwank, the extent to which Boyega and Isaacs are just throwing piles of manure over the production is absolutely insane and unheard of.

Only thing that compares is RPat being completely vocal about his hate for Twilight.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


FilthyImp posted:

I read about that earlier this afternoon and, even if it's complete fanwank, the extent to which Boyega and Isaacs are just throwing piles of manure over the production is absolutely insane and unheard of.

Only thing that compares is RPat being completely vocal about his hate for Twilight.

What did isaacs say?

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019



Gatts posted:

Indiana Jones love interest Marion was under age when they had a relationship and he left her, something she complains about to him by saying she was young when they meet in her bar. She was 15. Indiana Jones is a pedophile. According to the novelization.

Also it’s in Lucas and Spielberg’s notes between the coke stains.

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Nope



Alan Smithee posted:

What did isaacs say?
Said FinnxPoe should have been a thing, wished they had just killed him off in the first 20 of TFA since his character did nothing the rest of the films, was so burned out he's taking a year off from acting.

It's really astounding how they're not even pretending to give a gently caress.

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