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The MSJ posted:That game somehow made the orcs appear so human while your main character is a terrifying mind-rapist running a two-person orc illuminati. All too fitting given 'We were all Orcs in the Great War'. IIRC, it's strongly implied that mind control is a thing all of Sauron's orcs have on some level, especially when his forces personally intervene, and probably no coincidence the protagonist ends up a Ringwraith in the postgame, while the other half ends up half of the Eye of Sauron. The Orcs are a military-industrial complex in its purest form, and their individuality makes it all the more tragic. I do like that they basically play into a player character's behaviour license as showing how such power without consequence inevitably ends up making just another monster, and turning evil against itself matters little in the long run when the ideas of evil remain.
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if the entirety of harry potter had been released 30 years before, it would be fondly remembered and people would more readily make excuses for the shoddy writing and horrible author
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Apr 18, 2021 13:44
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Cythereal posted:Which is why I said that assuming it wasn't deliberate, it was extraordinarily tone deaf. Which I think Harry Potter in general was about issues of race and class, and the series had the poor timing to be released right before issues of race and class started to become really important and present in the popular consciousness of young people. That's true to an extent, but if you look at someone like Enid Blyton, probably the most prolific British children's writer ever (I think she's still sold more books than Rowling) - her books were criticised for racist characters as far back as the 60s, and even in the 80s were being revised to remove racist characters and archaic plot points. So it's not like Rowling would have been unaware of the kind of issues she could encounter, she's just totally unable to see her own prejudices or disinterested in challenging them
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Apr 18, 2021 13:48
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That does make a lot of sense. What was new about Rowling wasn't the content, but the format. Has possibly been said, but if Animorphs was released in a more reader-friendly format, it might have the cachet Harry Potter does now. Publishers in the 90s didn't think that young people wanted to read novel-length stories.
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Apr 18, 2021 13:54
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The MSJ posted:That game somehow made the orcs appear so human while your main character is a terrifying mind-rapist running a two-person orc illuminati. Some of the incidental dialogue in that game was great. I ran into some orcs that were pretty convinced that "Sauron" was just some bullshit their overseers made up to keep them in line and they could just walk right on out and no one would stop them.
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The MSJ posted:That game somehow made the orcs appear so human while your main character is a terrifying mind-rapist running a two-person orc illuminati. I feel kind of bad for Celebrimbor, though. From what I hear, he's much more decent in the Silmarillion, but in the Middle-Earth: Shadow games, he's a raging dickhead. An entertaining raging dickhead, but still.
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Apr 18, 2021 20:04
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Supersonic Shine posted:No joke, they're half the reason why orcs are my favorite commonly used fantasy race. I really love how reactive they are to everything you do, and I feel some remorse every time I accidentally shame one into insanity. He didn't want the fort anyway.
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Apr 18, 2021 20:17
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Whenever I think of Shadows of Mordor I just remember the micro-outrage over a clever enough tutorial where sneaking up on your wife with flowers is used to teach you how to later quietly kill orcs in cold blood. The article that started it insisted that the developers had no idea what they were implying.
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Apr 18, 2021 20:22
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Neurolimal posted:Whenever I think of Shadows of Mordor I just remember the micro-outrage over a clever enough tutorial where sneaking up on your wife with flowers is used to teach you how to later quietly kill orcs in cold blood. The article that started it insisted that the developers had no idea what they were implying. Haha that's dumb as hell
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Apr 18, 2021 20:32
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Whenever I think of Shadow of Mordor, I think of the Mega64 skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG_PuxFDwPw
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Apr 18, 2021 20:41
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Schwarzwald posted:Honestly "the next generation's iteration of Indi's style of masculine adventurer would be a greaser" was not a bad idea at all. Its so boring. The archetype is only interesting as a way to rebel against authority. And.who is Shia supposed to be rebelling against...the hero we actually like? Plus he wasnt a character as much as a faded character type
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I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later.
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Apr 18, 2021 22:37
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later. Mel Gibson seems like he would have been great for the role too, if he just hadn't had such a toxic personality off set.
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They were going to let Mel be in the Chicken Run sequel until Winona Ryder revealed the that he’d called her an “oven dodger” back in the 90s. What annoys me about him is that he’s had so many chances, despite never really apologizing for his behavior, and still continues to screw up.
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Shageletic posted:Its so boring. The archetype is only interesting as a way to rebel against authority. And.who is Shia supposed to be rebelling against...the hero we actually like? I mean, that could easily have been worked into the character, it's not like archaeology has been without its problems. "It belongs in a museum." "Who's museum?"
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Casimir Radon posted:They were going to let Mel be in the Chicken Run sequel until Winona Ryder revealed the that he’d called her an “oven dodger” back in the 90s. drat he’s into some obscure vintage hatred.
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Apr 18, 2021 23:18
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Even for an Australian that's racist.
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Spalec posted:I'd love a few episodes of dumb Hobbit Drama. Ghost Leviathan posted:Hobbits are basically inserts of rural Englishmen, of course they have massive petty drama going on at all times. The first few chapters of LOTR have a whole lot of petty hobbit drama going on in the background that Tolken was parodying and riffing off of Part of the reason why the Sacksville Baggins threw in with Saruman during the Scouring was because they wanted Bilbo's hobbit hole iirc
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Chairman Capone posted:Whenever I think of Shadow of Mordor, I think of the Mega64 skit: Man, I feel bad when effort vids like this has less than a million views, whereas the creepy playing with sponsored toys videos having a hundred million views easily.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later. That's about it
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later. Trainspotting 2 is a good sequel.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later. Linklater made a Before movie every 10 years and they're all good
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Apr 19, 2021 02:50
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happyhippy posted:Trainspotting 2 is a good sequel. Trainspotting 2 was a lot better than I think anyone was expecting it was going to be
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RBA Starblade posted:Trainspotting 2 was a lot better than I think anyone was expecting it was going to be Absolutely. Such a great sequel in so many ways
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Chairman Capone posted:Whenever I think of Shadow of Mordor, I think of the Mega64 skit: TIL that Mega64 is still around. Holy moly.
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happyhippy posted:Trainspotting 2 is a good sequel. And one that very effectively uses the time that’s passed.
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Vandar posted:TIL that Mega64 is still around. Holy moly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H48GPv4BZI
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The United States posted:They just do podcasts and make live action anime now That and the End of Evangelion one are pretty dang good.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Mel Gibson seems like he would have been great for the role too, if he just hadn't had such a toxic personality off set. They should have had Mel Gibson play Immortan Joe. I mean, he'd barely have to act at all since Joe is also a psychotic old man who hates women.
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I’m fine with Gibson having no part in mad max any further because he’s a racist old psycho who doesn’t need any positive reinforcement for being a shitstain in public, and besides he seems happy enough watching from the sidelines anyway if stories about him at the fury road premiere are any indication.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later. Twin Peaks Season 3
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Samurai Jack
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Ehh, Samurai Jack starts strong but really doesn't stick the landing. Scooby-Doo and the 13th Ghost I need to see.
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fatherboxx posted:Twin Peaks Season 3 I was just counting movies, there have been more than a few successful revivals of tv shows. The Before series certainly counts, and I haven't seen Trainspotting 2 but I swear I had only heard the usual "I guess it's fine, especially for twenty years later"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I somehow can’t bring myself to watch any of these “way too late” sequels because they almost never pan out and end up leaving you disappointed and sad. Fury Road is the only exception I can think of at the moment, and they didn’t bring Mel Gibson back thirty years later. The Colour Of Money is another exception, although it only won half as many Academy awards as The Hustler.
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Cythereal posted:I think Rowling also had the poor timing of writing what is - intentionally or otherwise - a series that can be easily seen as profoundly, uncomfortably racist and classist right before the younger generation, the people who grew up with Harry Potter, started to get very aware of race and class issues. That's a good observation. Boarding school adventures is a very common trope in English children's literature, despite how long it's been irrelevant or alien to most of the population and how closely it hews to the Tory ruling class. It's amazing how long it's been unchallenged in a country that is only belatedly recognising class and ethnic diversity, and seems incredibly creaky. Knowingly or unknowingly, Rowling plugged into that cliche just as it started to be questioned.
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nonathlon posted:That's a good observation. Boarding school adventures is a very common trope in English children's literature, despite how long it's been irrelevant or alien to most of the population and how closely it hews to the Tory ruling class. It's amazing how long it's been unchallenged in a country that is only belatedly recognising class and ethnic diversity, and seems incredibly creaky. Knowingly or unknowingly, Rowling plugged into that cliche just as it started to be questioned. Boarding houses are great for children's books because there are no parents, mean authority figures to fight against, and the characters can just hang out with their friends most of the day.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Boarding houses are great for children's books because there are no parents, mean authority figures to fight against, and the characters can just hang out with their friends most of the day. Two Nickelodeon shows managed this even with their teen characters at home. In iCarly I think her father is in the Navy and her adult brother is her legal guardian. I don't remember how Victorious did this, but I think the parents just never show up.
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I demand more stories about latchkey kids whose single parent works two jobs. Boarding school stories are classist 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Scooby-Doo and the 13th Ghost I need to see.
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