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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Serenity felt like it should have been one of those quasi-predecessors of The Matrix that came out in the late 90s. Even kind of felt like a weird mix of two of the main 90s tentpole movie themes, erotic thrillers and ridiculous misunderstandings of what computers do.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



I remember the local video store when I was a kid had a copy of Deepstar Six and the cover terrifying me. Never saw the actual movie but from what I heard it's not as good as what scared kid me imagined it would be like.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Between the two of them, Arrival and Interstellar are kind of remakes of Contact. One does the wormhole and time dilation stuff (and McConaughey), one does the communicating with aliens and dead relative stuff.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Pope Corky the IX posted:

Which was the one where Matthew McConaughey is on a water planet with a big metal box that can walk like it has legs?

Serenity, again.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Tars Tarkas posted:

THere is a huge post on a Star Wars subreddit with a bunch of information on a supposed different version of Rise of Skywalker that existed before Disney interference, no clue if it is fanwank or reality or something in between, but it caused a #releasethejjcut to trend on twitter. Adding it here for when people randomly start talking about this like they do with the Snyder Cut and so you'll know what the heck is going on and can sound like a wise sage speaking to a lost traveler in the desert.

Spoilering it all just in case and pasting it all just in case it vanishes into the memory hole:

https://i.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/

This is a more complete account of the "JJ Cut" from months ago. For those wondering, the guy who posted this later talked about all the reshoots that happened (still a long time before the movie came out) and he was spot on, so this is as legit as it will likely get:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/cxmfsv/the_basic_plot_of_episode_ix_the_rise_of/

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Studios overmanaging and meddling with movies to get ahead of any perceived controversy and to sell merchandise with no regard to coherency or quality is the most believable narrative by far.

And the irony is that they were blindsided by the fact that Baby Yoda would become the most culturally-dominant Star Wars element in years, and are stuck without any merchandise to churn out for months.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



FilthyImp posted:

Said FinnxPoe should have been a thing, wished they had just killed him off in the first 20 of TFA since his character did nothing the rest of the films, was so burned out he's taking a year off from acting.

It's really astounding how they're not even pretending to give a gently caress.

Which is funny given this is what was originally supposed to happen, and Abrams only had Poe survive because Isaacs didn't want to only be in 20 minutes of the new Star Wars.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Apparently the plot of Dr. Dolittle is that he has to get a magic potion from the dragon in order to cure Queen Victoria from some mystery illness. Also Victoria is played by an Irish actress, haha.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Isn't Avatar 3 already filming?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008




Wasn't the woman from X-Men Origins also Native American? Not that I fault the author for wanting to forget that movie exists.

I still stand by my initial thoughts from years ago, that New Mutants will probably be at least fine. It is funny that the casting definitely reflects a movie greenlit in 2017 (actors from The Witch, Stranger Things, and Game of Thrones).

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Julius CSAR posted:

Goddamn I forgot Tron Legacy. Yeah that was phenomenal. Same guy writing and directing Top Gun 2

Haha, I had no idea it was the same guy. The first thing that makes me consider seeing Top Gun 2.

Joseph Kosinski did Oblivion too. It would be cool if he became Christopher McQuarrie v2 for Cruise.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Give me Werner Herzog's Grown Ups 3 or give me death!

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I feel like austin powers was that to bond. James bond is so stupid and so gross that the second austin powers came out doing everything as a joke james bond lost the ability to try and do any of it legitimately and not seem pathetic. Like cold war spy was a dying genre and already one people were sour one and austin powers jammed a final nail in where if they ever did any of the things they actually did in those movies ever again everyone would say "is this an austin power's joke?"

Spectre straight up uses a plot twist from Austin Powers (Austin/Bond and Dr. Evil/Blofeld as brothers).

Basebf555 posted:

Spectre: MI:6 is almost taken over by Spectre because they trusted some rear end in a top hat with the entire country's security, and Bond shows them that there will always be a role for a human being who can make the decision to pull a trigger(or not).

I might be wrong but I recall that in Spectre, Bond is never once referred to as a spy, only as an assassin.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Lobok posted:

I don't think Bond can't be Bond anymore because of Austin Powers. It wasn't the first time Bond had been parodied. Austin Powers lifts from and riffs on earlier Bond parodies as much as it does from Bond itself. The 007 franchise's biggest enemy is itself because it hasn't known what it wants to be for my entire lifetime. And even back when it did know it would veer into such wild excess that it was beyond parody.

I remember after Quantum especially a lot of people were like "Craig is so serious, I just want him to do a full-on Connery-era type Bond." And then Spectre did just that and proved it wasn't as good as everyone thought it would be (after Skyfall had a bit of toe dipping in that direction - I still think Albert Finney's character was originally supposed to actually be Connery).

I think it's funny that Skyfall definitely seemed like it was borrowing a lot from the visual look and tone of the Nolan Batman films, and then Spectre was clearly borrowing wholesale from the MCU.

Len posted:

She's being stalked by her old boss who was jealous of the millionaire sadist because they were orphans together and he wasn't the one adopted

Speaking of Spectre borrowing from things....

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Captain Jesus posted:

There was also a Czechoslovakian parody western called Lemonade Joe released in 1964 that spoofed the traditional western tropes. It's an interesting film that holds fairly well. I don't think it's really known internationally. I would recommend it to people who are interested in westerns or western comedies. Here's some trailer with english subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Lg_14m-sM

Lemonade Joe is pretty good. But you can even expand beyond that one example, Western movies were a huge genre in the Eastern Bloc in the 50s/60s/70s and they were all revisionist to some degree (either adapting the Western tropes to Russian expansion in Siberia or the Russian Civil War, or still being set in the American West but with the Native Americans as the heroes and the cowboys as the villains). That being said I'm not sure how widely seen those movies were in the US at the time. Or even now, outside of some niche audiences.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Hand Knit posted:

Do you know the names of any of these offhand? I'd love to check them out.

The Sons of Great Bear is the traditional go-to. It's also interesting in that it's a pan-Eastern movie, a joint East German/Czechoslovak/Yugoslav production. Also like with Django it spawned a huge number of sequels that kept the general setting and the main character but not a lot (or any) direct plot continuity. I think the series kept going almost up until the fall of the wall.

There's also a 1970s East German biopic of Tecumseh just called "Tecumseh", which I believe also stars the main actor from Sons of Great Bear. I think it was common in East German Westerns for Yugoslav actors to play Native Americans, which is an interesting phenomenon in its own right.

I believe a number of the Italian spaghetti Westerns were also done with Yugoslavs which makes me wonder if perhaps some of those movies did draw from those Eastern Bloc Western genres.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



So that explains why it's doing so well, the theaters are being flooded by all the QAnon Digital Soldiers.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Timby posted:

Isn't Meg Whitman the woman who ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground?

She also was the Republican candidate for California governor in 2010. She financed her own campaign and ended up losing by double-digits. I think she spent something like a quarter of a billion dollars of her own money.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Alhazred posted:

I honestly think it's kinda weird that a movie about killing demons were bad but a movie about how some people are genetically predisposed to be evil was good.

Calvinism for the 21st century!

Groovelord Neato posted:

In the novels the aliens originally visited us in the Middle Ages and thought we'd still think demons were actual flesh and blood beings but we advanced faster than any known species so they didn't expect us to be space-faring when they came back.

This is like Harry Turtledove's series about aliens invading during World War II, where they thought the earth would still be at the medieval level from when their probes visited.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Beachcomber posted:

They're literary junk food. Sometimes you need to zone out and not challenge yourself. Iirc, they never glamorize the nazis.

From what I remember, Otto Skorzeny was one of the most charismatic and likeable characters (right up until the main characters kill him in the last book). That being said it's good the series was written in the 90s because I think Turtledove is one of the many people whose brains were broken by 9/11. Even before then, he wrote a story where all elves are killed off because one visited our world and GaŽtan Dugas infected him with AIDS.

I think he also wrote some fantasy book where an SS officer is sent into a Middle Earth type place and helps the elves commit genocide against the dwarves?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I don't remember any of this. He did do a pro-Iraq War analogue book that was pretty lovely. And the fantasy novel has the Wehrmacht dude get sick of murder for what that's worth (not much). Turtledove books suck but I've been reading them for 3/4 of my life and can't stop now.

The elf AIDS story is called "Coming Across". I actually thought it was something he wrote in the 80s but it was from 2004.

That being said, I'm surprised but glad he is now an anti-Trumper.

Gatts posted:

Does one think there is a point in time where someone will look at the original Mario movie, decide it was good and had potential, and then choose to expand upon it?

Once Trump has drained the swamp of Hollywood elites, David Icke will be able to make a sequel where Mario ad Luigi expose the secret of the underground Nazi lizard civilization to the world.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



They should go with Furiast.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



For some reason, I thought that Richard Donner had died in like the early 00s.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Even outside of that, for some reason I had it in my head that the Donner Cut of Superman II was some posthumous release.

Also looking up his career now I had no idea that X-15 was his debut movie. I always liked that as a kind of very early space race era puff piece.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Is $75 million really the biggest film acquisition deal ever? That seems surprising.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



MH Knights posted:

What? Got a link about this? I know a lot of people who LOVE Hamilton and listen to the music all the time. And yes they are mostly white and middle class.

https://remezcla.com/features/culture/lin-manuel-miranda-hamilton-in-puerto-rico-controversy/

Basically, he lobbied hard for the economic junta which imposed severe austerity on Puerto Rico with no democratic oversight from the island and to the benefit of mainland real estate developers and tech companies. As I recall he promised to rap in person for senators in exchange for them voting for the bill.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



I haven't seen the Lord of the Rings movies in years and I decided to watch The Two Towers a couple weeks ago. Now I'm watching Return of the King, and while the movie is good, I feel like this is the first time noticing the CGI is... kind of janky. Not in every scene, but this is the first time from the trilogy I feel like there is some obvious CGI standing out. Not sure if it's because they were running out of time, or they just had so much in ROTK compared to the previous two, but it's standing out a lot to me with this watch.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Sirotan posted:

I seem to recall the Extended Edition version of RotK not only added back in some scenes cut from the theatrical versions, but also fixed some CG issues.

That would actually make sense, as other than when it first came out in the theater, I think I've only ever seen it as the extended edition before now.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



hemale in pain posted:

wait isn't rutger hauer dead?

It's too bad he didn't live, but then again who does?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



If anyone is actually a big Fantasy Island fan, you should watch the HBO movie My Dinner with Herve. Peter Dinklage plays Herve Villechaize and there are a number of segments with them recreating Fantasy Island with Andy Garcia as Ricardo Montalban. It also recreates some scenes from The Man with the Golden Gun but the guy who plays Roger Moore isn't really as big a standout.

Pope Corky the IX posted:

While at the same time everyone loves Lucy Lawless.

Back when BSG was on I remember a few of the regular cast making comments that seemed to be, in a very polite way, saying she was a bit standoffish. I think she's as much said that at least at first she really wasn't into the role.

I know Dean Stockwell was also pretty dismissive of the show when he first showed up but then got super on-board after actually watching it.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Alan Smithee posted:

They had a whole casino night scene and scrapped it because of the last Jedi

It's been leaked online though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6b6HYHcF0A

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Pope Corky the IX posted:

Kind of like how Black Widow is a Russian assassin and not a spider.

Winter Soldier is one of my favorite MCUs but I still think it's ridiculous that the movie explicitly states both that Black Widow was both 1) Born in 1986 and 2) Worked for the KGB, an organization which was dissolved when she would have been five years old.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Would Captain America be Captain Vinland in Kevin Smith's future Norse religion?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



galagazombie posted:

Everyones ragging on Smith for that tweet but he's entirely right. What do you think old mythologies were but communal stories about guys with superpowers going on adventures? Hell you could argue that things like Star Wars fit the bill what with being universally known stories and characters that people constantly retell. You may not like Star Wars, but Darth Vader is a figure just as important in the general zeitgeist as Achilles was to the Greeks. Now obviously they will never reach the level of actual organized religion without an apocalypse, but tell me it wouldn't make total sense for some guys straight outta Mad Max to find The Lord of the Rings and think it's an actual history.

Star Wars (OT) and Lord of the Rings are both self-contained stories based on mythological narratives and structures. MCU is an endless parade of action-figure smashing with no character development, story development, overarching plotline or lesson, and no ending. Which is why everyone's ragging on Smith for saying the most soulless and bland set of pop culture will become the new dominant religion. I mean even High Priest Kevin Feige talks about how you're not supposed to remember the movie plot for more than five minutes after.

Then again I guess most Christians don't really know anything in the Bible outside of Genesis, Christmas and the crucifixion.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Snowglobe of Doom posted:

They worshipped the power of cars and fuel so I guess the Fast & Furious movies became their new religion?

A child Furiosa decides to become a driver after watching The Fate of the Furious.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



galagazombie posted:

Have you read the Old Testament? because you just described it to a T.

Good thing the Bible, which Smith specifically brought up as the comparison to the Cult of MCU, also has the New Testament, which not only has a definitive ending, but a big chunk of American politics (and therefore modern world history) can be explained by elites trying their best to make the world fit the specific ending to complete the narrative of existence.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



There were a number of Greek philosophers who thought that the gods were just exaggerated memories of actual kings who had lived in the past.

Which the early Christians then used to justify that Greek religion was false and their religion was indeed the true religion.

Edit: Adrienne Mayor's "The First Fossil Hunters" is a good book on how classic peoples dealt with ideas like fossils, extinction, and evolution before the advent of modern science.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



You're all forgetting that classic Rocky Gervais atheist parable The Invention of Lying.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



From what I remember, it pretty much does. I think he becomes super wealthy from inventing the blockbuster movie.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Antifa Poltergeist posted:

Werner Herzog Indiana Jones, which is a origin story for bad lieutenant.

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