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Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

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# ¿ Jan 17, 2020 03:43

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 13:29

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Confirming Totally Town, ginnis!

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:29

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Steak, can you put three votes on the same person or just three votes on different people? When you vote, must you place all three votes?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:31

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

what's scummy about either of these things?

What's pro-Town about any of these things?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

no, i dont have to place all 3. it can only be different people. hence the VERY limited utility.

Except (if you're even telling the truth) being able to stack votes on the same player would be the obvious upgrade, and would be a dangerous power on a secret-alliance aligned player (SAAP).

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:35

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

for one thing, it gets the steak discussion out of the way during jokephase. because regardless of my alignment, nobody here can even argue that its pro-town to let discussion revolve around me.

I feel you're acting really self-conscious and awkward. (Also I should probably consult an AI about your alignment since apparently it is clairvoyant, based on last game).

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:38

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

except from the perspective of scum, that's a very dangerous power for a town player to have.

I don't see the logic in that supposition. Explain?

This strikes me as a theatrical way to say "look at me I'm so town and thus I am very worried about being nightkilled you see". Especially for someone who is making a big deal about having a useless power out of the gate. If you're Town, why advertise that you're a "bad nightkill choice" and help the SAAPs zero in on useful roles like potential investigators? And then contradict yourself with a statement criticising someone for "encouraging a nightkill on you".

I don't like the looks of it.
##vote Mr. Steak

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:48

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

maybe im less self-assured when i don't know who all the scum players are.

So you're just pretending to have a guilty conscience and act all awkward and panicked, just to "get it out of the way"?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:51

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

its really weird that a number of you are characterizing this as flailing.

for one thing, nobody's even voting for me and i am more than used to getting votes on me. do you really think im a player who gets flustered at the slightest pressure as scum? you'd just have to look at my last 5 games to see thats the opposite of the case

So this time you're flailing, to show that you [I]aren't[I] not Town, in contrast with the other games where you played it cool and didn't get flustered when you were not Town? Do I have that right?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:53

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

as scum i would be ignoring you entirely right now

Not if you thought that would be a dead giveaway based on observers of your last games.

The only thing you could do worse at this point would be an OMGUS.

Preview edit: lol

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 16:55

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking forward to some other peoples' analysis of this. Do you see what I see?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 17:01

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

SalTheBard posted:

Is joke phase even a loving thing anymore?

Nope.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 17:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

lets instead talk about how lumpen always LOVES jokephase and how its scummy of him to try pushing someone so hard right away?

Ah yes. Yes, go on... talk about that.

I have 150 games in votefinder for you to base this meta case on. Cite your examples.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 17:36

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

##vote lumpen because he should know me, and this game, better

So please explain this vote. Give me a view of your thought process...

The way I see it, it's either
1. Blatant OMGUS with a false rationale
2. Purportedly, based on your expectation of my meta knowledge about you from our 4 games together and your own characterization of yourself that you've awkwardly been flailing about right out of the gate in this game.
3. Or based on your meta knowledge of me from those 4 games, from which you have concluded... Hehhe... that Lumpen... hehehe... "LOVES jokephase" and "doesn't push or probe anyone right away."

My friend, I am the inventor of Content Game. Ruining jokephase is like one of the most salient bullet points of my meta.

Signs point to #1. So why are you ginning up misguided lies to cover it?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 17:55

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

IllegallySober posted:

Okay, then give the rest of us a content game to play while you continue to tunnel on ol� Steak-umms here.

Sure. Rules of Content Game: I pose a question, if you answer it with a forthright and contentful utterance then that's good for Town. If you dodge it or refuse or lurk and slow down Content Game, that's bad for Town. Content Game always reveals the a differently-alitned individual every time and when it does I vote them and that's the end of the game.

I encourage anyone to launch their own Content Game at any times, especially anyone who doesn't like my Content Game and thinks they can do better.

Content Game Round 1:
Illegally Sober, name three names.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 18:20

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

IllegallySober posted:

Xiw, Eat The Rich, RF

I note you have chosen 2 people who have not posted since the game started, and one who only made a non-game-related post about modding. Thank you, very interesting.

Content Game Round 2:
Retro Futurist: If you had a gun right now and had to immediately shoot someone among Xiw, Eat the Rich, and Illegally Sober..
1. who would you shoot?
2. who of those would you next hand the gun to?
3. name someone NOT on that list who would you never confide a sensitive personal secret to.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 18:40

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Leith Maclaine posted:

Can someone explain how Content Game is judged? I am interested in this tactic on joke phase?

Sal, Lumpen, Steak

Utterances and choices about other players (or avoiding mentioning other players) creates a web of connections and evidence and behavior on the record by which alignment can be discerned. Content creates the basis for seiriousvotes and this kills the jokephase.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 18:46

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Retro Futurist posted:

gently caress steak, marry Leith, kill Lumpen

I note that you chose to disregard the questions and subvert the Content Game by avoiding content. That indicates that you won't flip Town. SAAP detected. ##vote Retro Futurist This ends my Content Game. Anyine else can start another now. When RF flips we'll shave a new datapoint on the effectiveness of the Content Game method.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2020 19:09

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

After sleeping in it and then re-reading, I have reassessed Mr. Steak and I feel that he�s likely to be Town. I think the exchange was a slapfight but a productive one.

Retro Futurist still is top suspect.

Leith, Sal, binus, and Cpig all strike me as possible SAAPs to keep an eye on.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 15:04

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Eat The Rich posted:

I think Steak and Lumpen are town and the Townie Slapfight comment was perfect. I am curious to know how Lumpen plays as scum. Does he still try to push for Content Games?

The only tell I have is lurking, because it works. If you play a game with me and my post count is in the bottom third of the thread, worry. Other than that my play is absolutely indistinguishable.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 15:13

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

SalTheBard posted:

Hal, do you disagree with Penny? Because I agree with Penny's statement but I'm open to hearing why it's useful this early on.

I know you didn�t ask me and I doubt you really care Sal, but I will bloviate anyhow for the general benefit.

Content game is most useful right at the beginning of the game when there is nothing established except the informed minority know who each other are and want to hide it. This is the fact that trips them up if they get confronted with a Content Game challenge and get put on the spot. It is the moment of the game where their extra information is the biggest liability and burden. That�s the theory.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 15:22

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Answering CPig�s content game: I�d vig RF and then hand the gun to Illegally Sober.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 15:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Retro Futurist posted:

I answered for myself with a joke. Also scum usually prefer to fit in and kowtow to thread leaders like Lumpen, not blown them off. Content games give them something real easy to spit out "content" they don't have to commit to, like you wanting to vig Sal for extremely tenuous reasons

This post is real bad. Psychologically.

I had considered it possible that you derailed the Content Game because you resented the curtailing of jokephase and also just for "gently caress Lumpen", and my vote on you would be wrong and I would be embarrassed and the Content Game's reputation besmirched.

That you now put forth an explanation that you made a calculated choice based on thoughts about what various alignments would do, and you chose to blow off the Content Game because you felt would make you look Town, is a big yikes.

The Content Game works. Bet on it. Retro Futurist is secret alliance aligned.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 16:27

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Retro Futurist posted:

Oh it�s that other stuff too, I�m just pointing out how silly it is to put any weight on it and the convenient cave it gives scum to dig themselves into to hide

I completely disagree with your thesis about participating and responding and posting about other's alignments is a "convenient cave to hide in". It is refusing to participate, as you did, which the informed minority benefit from. It's the same reason why they lurk and why it is effective.

Following that logic for the sake of argument, do you then suggest that Illegally Sober is worse for suggesting I run a Content Game, and complying with the first round?
Do you suggest that the people who have decide to step up and answer CPig's Content Game are less Town for doing so? If so, which people?

In my opinion, those choices of actions reflected well on those people.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 16:48

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

2 penny bottle imp posted:

This is just fluff from atop a very high horse.

It is a seapony actually, and also I am not even high.

But if you're going to call my posts fluff, who are your top three suspects? Can you explain your vote on Eat the Rich more? Did you not realize he was responding to CPig's content game? Are you not actually reading the thread?

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 17:40

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

b-minus1 posted:

drat this is a scummy post

I don't think so. Why do you say so?

B-minus1, the "gimme 5 votes" thing is the exact same thing that you did in Passive Abilities recently, and there you were Town and it had to do with an actual game mechanic.

I'd like to know if in this game you just happened to get a similar game mechanic assigned to you and your request was mechanics-based (implausible), or if this was a Content gambit, or what. Just for the record.

Seems like you were quick to jump on the first person to question what you were doing, and then you were cagey about explaining your criticism

b-minus1 posted:

Overall I don't like it. Ping.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2020 18:09

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

I also don't think steak's ability is a town ability and I think disclosing it is away to get around the awkwardness of being scum out in the open, again.

"But guys, I told you I can vote 3 people at once or stack votes! It's totally a good thing!"

The mod said that every role was created independently of alignment and that alignment was just RNG'd, so trying to deduce alignment from powers is not going to work. We're you aware of this and does it change your view?

Also Steak demonstrated that the power currently only allows three distributed votes, and he also demonstrated that it currently does not work to stack votes.

His eagerness to show this (apparently) useless ability is still something to evaluate, but the ability itself is no indication of alignment.

All things considered I think Steak is more likely Town. Illegally Sober asked me why I reconsidered and I think his behavior was in character with his sincere self and he wasn't trying to be loudly deceptive. He was the informed minority Mason in an unconfirmed masonry in our last game and he was very reserved and agreeable there, being defensive and flailing and eager to overstate fits his Town meta as far as I can see and it seems more likely that he would confirm to his meta than launch an audacious gambit straight mouth of the starting gate to flip his meta, and also happen to not draw Town once again.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2020 18:22

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Not Voting (5): charms, Eat The Rich, Hal Incandenza, hambeet, Mr. Humalong

With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 25^th, 2020 at 6 p.m. CST -- that's in about 1 day, 1 hour.

We have about 1 day left.
Those who are not voting, why not? Would you please make your top three suspects and cast a vote?

# ¿ Jan 24, 2020 23:43

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

b-minus1 posted:

I guess I technically wasn�t at -3. Steak wasn�t afraid to be the fifth person to vote me

So what? Why would anyone be?

# ¿ Jan 24, 2020 23:45

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

charms posted:

Hal's at the top of my list for ignoring my callout and not posting anything substantial, and for the reasons I posted the callout in the first place. RF for trying to turn a bunch of experimental votes into a bandwagon. Nobody else on the same level as these two.

##vote Hal Incandeza

I note that you chose to put a lone vote on Hal, rather than a third vote on RF, although you said you suspect both. Would you talk a little about your thought process behind that choice? Would you consider switching yur vote to your other top suspect to help get closer to an actual viable majority for a weekend deadline?

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 01:19

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

this deadline discourse is reeking to me of an aloof scumteam having fun while town picks between two town options (2penny and leith). the reason i think this is very few people are actually posting useful content outside of those 2. if scum were in danger of death, other scums would be at least making an attempt to generate fake content either for or against their bud. but what im seeing here is a town (in the general sense of "all players") who is fairly apathetic toward the lunch. on d1 that's normal, but if it was scum about to be lunched, we'd be seeing more investment in the lunch. ergo, 2penny and leith are town

Caught up and I think Mr. Steak is likely right.

I think I understand what 2penny was trying to say and can see the point in this part

2 penny bottle imp posted:

If I am correct on my interpretation, you are saying that the shared info was new info to scum. Meaning you dont think b- is scum. Meaning you shouldnt have voted him.

But I felt Leith explained himself pretty well and I think I get what he was going for, and I agree with Leith that binus�s refusal to shed light one way or another on his call for 5 votes is suspect.

I tend to think binus is was doing a gambit, not related to any actual role mechanic, but if that were the case he hasn�t really used it to make any alignment calls or cases. His only conclusion was �Steak is Town because he wasn�t afraid to do vote 5�. His posts about it �more powerful than you can imagine� and :iiam:

when questioned, just look like binus is making fake claims and lying for no clear possible pro-Town reason and using joking as plausible deniability,, which I find suspicious.
##vote b-minus1

:siren:

We have less than 2 hours remaining :siren:

I am going to do more rereads and get a List together.
Top of my head right now, I would vote binus, Retro Futurist, CPig.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 23:29

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Day1 LumpenList

Supposably Secret Alliance

Retro Futurist
b-minus1
CapitalistPig
Somewhat Suspicious
SalTheBard
xiw
Hal Incandenza
Leith Maclaine
2 penny bottle imp
Mr. Humalong
Tentatively Trustable
Anomalous Amalgam
charms
Eat The Rich
hambeet
Totally Town
Mr. Steak
IllegallySober
Lumpen

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 23:51

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

My action failed.
I was likely roleblocked or jailed.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 00:01

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

##vote b-minus1
Same case as yesterday and 2penny flipping scum makes the case stronger. Binus was bussing/distancing 2penny, 2penny was trying to fakecase Leith weirdly around the binus 5-vote gambit.
I will pull out all the quotes if necessary when not phone posting, but I recommend doing a re-read of binus and 2penny and see if you see the interactions.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 00:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

why are other people voting my town reads? stop that. my votes are only there so they have a watch on them tonight.

Can you not change those once you vote them?

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 03:16

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

SalTheBard posted:

The fact that it was B- who lead a cuddle on known scum Penny on D1.

Unless this was some super gambit for a scum B- to cuddle his own teammate to get town cred I don't see B being scum.

The is a very revisionist history if you actually look back at D1 and binus' vote on 2penny. He was the first vote but it was based on 2penny drawing attention to binus' play that is now admitted as a complete lie and fabricated gambit.

b-minus1 posted:

Thanks for the votes. I have become more powerful than you can possibly imagine

Binus does a pointless gambit that he never used for any alignment-related conclusion-drawing or casing. His only conclusion mentioned was "Steak is Town because he wasn't afraid to be the 5th vote"... (Uhhh, okay?)

But iwho moves in and tries to make plays all about binus's gambit? 2Penny,who we now know was Secret Alliance.

2 penny bottle imp posted:

So everyone realizes that voting for b- probably charged some sort of power for them, right? If that turns out to be a vig or an extra night kill, Im suspicious of them, and think there's probably at least 1 scumbuddy in the mix who helped charge them up.

2 penny bottle imp posted:

I'm down. Asking for blind faith like that is bad precident at best, scummy at worst.

B- care to comment on *why* you made that request before this turns sour for you?

This reads to me as light busing/distancing, trying to get some juice out of the gambit by throwing shade on the voters bonus drew in, and an awareness of binus being Secret Alliance and laying the groundwork to case people who out the 5 votes in.
Binus drops a harmless distancing vote for this, there is zero pressure on 2Penny at this point.

b-minus1 posted:

Before this turns sour for me, lol. This post reads like a scum loooking for justification to vote me. I�ll put my money where my mouth is and ##vote 2 penny bottle scum

He does make a couple posts calling 2Penny scum after this, but
Then Leith follows the train of thought 2Penny suggested...

Leith Maclaine posted:

I'm right now keeping my vote on b- since there still hasn't been an explanation as to what his charge up power actually does. He confirmed the power exists to scum, so why not share the results.....

And 2Penny immediately jumps on this, weirdly making Leith out to be Secret Alliance for saying the same thing 2penny had said.

2 penny bottle imp posted:

What does this mean?

Leith Maclaine posted:

Why else would he ask for 5 votes? He told everyone (including scum) that he has some role that requires power ups, but not what that role is.

2 penny bottle imp posted:

So you are admitting that in this scenario, b- is town, because otherwise if scum they would just tell scummates in chat, right? Yet you are still pushing them?

This is a diiiiiiirrty post. You know more than you are letting on.

##vote Leith

And that got negative attention on 2penny that led to the hammer, but after that point bonus couldn't have reasonably jumped off his earlier busing/distancing vote. He had to ride it out.

But then Binus tries to take credit for the catch today:

b-minus1 posted:

Jfc it didn�t do a drat thing I was just loving around. Good god, I usually don�t take these games that seriously but I wil legitimately be pissed if I am lunched the day after leading everyone to dunking a scum. Seriously wtf is going on here. I hope the people voting me are scum because there is no excuse for this terrible play by some of you.

Which is bullshit in my opinion. He wasn't casing or leading, he was stuck on it and bussing to cut losses after 2Penny screwed up with a botched and confused push on Leith.
But Sal is pushing revisionist history on this today echoing Binus' false narrative.

In conclusion, binus is Secret Alliance and 2Penny was ineptly trying to work together on his gambit, and binus bussed him and tried to take undeserved credit.

You should vote b-minus1.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 19:28

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Day2 LumpenList

Supposably Secret Alliance

b-minus1
CapitalistPig
SalTheBard
Somewhat Suspicious
Hal Incandenza
Mr. Humalong
Tentatively Trustable
Retro Futurist
charms
Eat The Rich
hambeet
xiw
Totally Town
Leith Maclaine
Mr. Steak
Lumpen

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 20:23

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

All of these posts are so fake.

b-minus1 posted:

Lol owned scum

b-minus1 posted:

So uh, two night kills. That sucks

"Yay we got 'em!" and "Oh no fellow townies this sucks for us" posts are classic tells.

About the 2Penny revenge kill:

b-minus1 posted:

Oh. Lol. Why didn�t he kill me haha

b-minus1 posted:

Why the gently caress are people voting me.

b-minus1 posted:

Jfc it didn�t do a drat thing I was just loving around. Good god, I usually don�t take these games that seriously but I wil legitimately be pissed if I am lunched the day after leading everyone to dunking a scum. Seriously wtf is going on here. I hope the people voting me are scum because there is no excuse for this terrible play by some of you.

b-minus1 posted:

I�m p*ssed off

The overemotional reaction doesn't seem realistic at all. These are fake reactions. Does binus really get super pissed and emotionally invested about games and I missed the meta?

I feel confident that b-minus1 is Secret Alliance.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 23:11

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Also binus keeps flipping between "lol I don't care I'm just loving around I'm so carefree and laughing at the cases on me" and then "I am so legitimately pissed! Seriously. Jfc, with, why the gently caress is anyone voting me" and then back to "tee hee lol ha ha".

Read his posts. Analyze the tone. Actually read my case.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2020 23:18

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 13:29

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Steak posted:

it still baffles me that people feel the need to include themselves on a lumpen list. why? literally what purpose does that serve? i can only see it as scummy because literally why would a town player want to do that? it's pointless.

A properly formatted LumpenList ranks every living player and links to their posts in the thread. I List myself to encourage people to click my link and read my posts too.

Also it allows people to easily construct their own Lost by quoting mine and moving the lines around, and obviously someone doing that would need my link line there in order to rank me without having to dig it up themself from the OP.

I make a List whenever I have theory of the game and connections have emerged, it gives me the constructive practice of looking back over the posts of each person as I slot them in (opening in new tabs from the Preview Reply screen)

I encourage you to give it a try, I would like to see your List ranking everyone.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2020 03:58

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