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iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

One of the big things that people wonder on Something Awful is how things work behind the scenes with moderators and admins. Well wonder no more! I'm going to spill the beans on a lot of things here. A major thing to note:

THE ENTIRETY OF THE FORUMS STAFF, LOWTAX EXCEPTED, ARE VOLUNTEERS. NO ONE IS GETTING PAID HERE, AND WE'RE ALL DOING IT BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU ALL.

That means that we are all volunteers with lives outside of the forums. On top of that, moderating on mobile is a pain in the rear end, and none of the apps support the mod tools.

That out of the way, a primer on user levels.

  • Unregistered User: If the forums wide paywall is down, is able see the forums, but certain subs will be invisible. If it is up, you're unable to see anything.
  • Permabanned: not allowed to re-reg in any way shape or form. If you're perma'd and sniffed out to be, any re-regs obviously get the perma applied.
  • Banned: allowed to pay 10 dollars to re-register, can't see the forums, and naturally can't post or send PMs. Being banned also strips plat and your avatar.
  • Probated: not allowed to post, but can see the forums and send PMs. If you post on an alt, that account is banned.
  • Regular user: most of you, but lack the ability to send PMs and report posts.
  • Platinum user: regular users but allowed to send PMs and report posts.
  • IK: allowed to probe users up 6 six hours without admin approval and able to see the mod queue. Powers limited to specific threads or forums (and subs).
  • Moderator: can do everything an IK can do, but queue up to 24 hour probes without admin approval. Access to the mod forum and report queue is also granted here. Powers limited to a forum and it's subs.
  • Super moderator: able to use mod powers in every forum, but are asked to only use it in emergencies.
  • Admin: approves queued probations, titles, and bans. Anything they put in the queue is automatically processed.


IKs

If you must know, IK is one of many things, "idiot knight", "idiot king", "internet king", no one really remembers these days. Most people go with idiot king.

IKs are usually appointed to watch over specific, high movement threads (see the megathreads in DnD for an example) or specific sub forums within a sub (like cspam). Sometimes they're used to see how good of a mod they may or may not be.

A poster gets promoted to IK usually when a mod identifies a need for one. For example, a US based mod in DnD may want a UK based one to watch the UKPol thread. The fyad lites have rotating IKs. What usually happens is a mod identifies a need for an IK, then floats the idea to the rest of the mod and admin staff, a short discussion ensues on the viability of the nominated poster as an IK, and they're either approved or not. It's pretty simple.


Mods

Posters get promoted to mod in one of two ways: via an IK test ride, as above, or straight to mod from normal posters. The latter is usually reserved for, "Oh poo poo, X forum's mod stepped down and we need someone there," but not always. Like with IKs, the name is floated in the mod forum, discussed, though usually a bit more intensely than IKs, and then approved or denied. As stated above, you get access to the report and mod forums.

For what it's worth, any mod or IK who's a mod of one forum will have access to their tools in the sub forums. For example, I have buttons in SAS, but also TRP, TFF, TAQB, and PSP. I don't generally exercise my powers there, except in TFF to change thread titles to annoy Athanatos .


Buttons

Being part of staff gets you a few extra buttons:


Somehow it disables the report button in your own forum (which is dumb, but you're expected to handle reportable stuff so ). The (i) button is the tools dropdown:

(cancer isn't used anymore, so I'm not going to cover it)

Each of those takes you to another screen, where you can tweak things, put in the reason for doing so, and other things. For probations, there's 6h, 12h, 18h, 24h, 3d, 1w, 2w, 1m, and 100k lengths. Bans are "regular or perma". There's two fields to be filled, one with the public facing reason, and the other for more "Behind the scenes" reasons, usually notes like "the probe is this long because they're a habitual shitposter" or "this probe is 100% a joke" for the admins to see while reviewing or for potential future punishment.

On top of that, you get thread specific tools:


In order: open/close thread, edit thread (allows you to change thread title, tag, poll options if applicable, and see who rated the thread what), gas thread, move thread to another forum (usually for goldmining), stick/unstick a thread, and the two buttons everyone has.

The History button is pretty much "hey, view the mod queue of this user." Which leads me to...


The Mod Queue

The mod queue is where the staff are able to see what their fellow staff members have queued up for users. For IKs and mods, it's also where non-auto approved items can be retracted. For admins, it's for them to review harsher punishments and approve or decline depending on the situation. It's pretty simple.

As an aside, all bans need admin approval, apart from autobans. On that note, autobans do NOT strip avatars, instead turning them into a link to your rap sheet, if an image is present.

The mod queue looks like this:



Each item has a link to the post (the type of item being queued is the link). Brown items have been processed, white are pending, light pink are "submitter retracted", and dark pink are "admin declined". Bans don't look too much different, only the length is removed from the punishment type panel. Titles will have a link to preview the title under the post link. You can also see the "reason requested", which is what you'd see in the LC, and the "mod-only notes", which doesn't get put out publicly.

And no, mods can not retract sixers or other auto-approved items, only admins can.

Other items that show up in the queue are thread moves and gassing. Forums cancer stuff shows up, but again, no one uses it.


Reports

Reports are sent to the report forum, where mods can review the reported post. There's many reasons for reporting a post, and they range from asshats we may have missed to "hey, change the thread title!" Reports look like this:



I cut off the bottom for length, but our mod buttons are at the bottom of the embedded post. You get the idea though. Because people can, have, and will abuse reports, there is a cap on how often you can.

Do note that if you try to report something, and get "this thread has already been reported", that means that that specific post has already been reported.

Oh, and for the love of the gods PLEASE PUT A REASON IN YOUR REPORT what may be obvious to you may not be to everyone else! Some other critical things to be aware of: there's no way for mods to be notified of reports. Checking is a purely manual process. There are no emails, PMs, text messages, nothing. Thanks Radium.

In addition, all the reports go to the same area, which really is a sub forum. This has a pro and a con. The pro is that other mods can see the report and chime in if needed. The con is that certain subs, namely the quieter ones, tend to get buried under other reports.


Final Thoughts

This is pretty much "ask the mods, 2.0" here. Also, please don't treat this as a complaints box. QCS is open again, so keep it to more "how does X work", not "why did you do Y?" Thanks, and gods bless.

iospace fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 11, 2020

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Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has seen my browser history.


There really is no notification when a post has been reported? That seems like a hilarious oversight. Any chance Jeffrey is working on fixing that?

Even the lovely forums my wow guild had seven years ago notified when a post was reported (I know because every officer got an email about it when I reported a post to see what happened).

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Project Force

Mr. Humalong posted:

There really is no notification when a post has been reported? That seems like a hilarious oversight. Any chance Jeffrey is working on fixing that?

Even the lovely forums my wow guild had seven years ago notified when a post was reported (I know because every officer got an email about it when I reported a post to see what happened).

It's my understanding based on hearsay that there may have been such a feature at one point but it is either incorrect hearsay, disabled, or broke. However, currently we do not receive notifications, correct.

Gloomy Rube
Mar 4, 2008





PHPBB highlights threads with reports as BRIGHT RED to mods and posts the same way, and despite being a pretty terrible board system in many ways, I feel like a similar system would really assist mods here with handling reports since a thread turning bright red would tell them there's a report un-dealt with in a thread.

Of course, since this is all radium code we're working off, if that's even possible to implement HERE is another thing altogether

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!






Taco Defender

iospace posted:

[*]IK: allowed to probe users up 6 six hours without admin approval and able to see the mod queue. Powers limited to specific threads or forums (and subs).
Wait, they can see the queue? I was under the impression that IKs couldn't see reports, based off what a few thread-specific IKs have said(and said IKs encouraged PMing them instead).

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Project Force

Haifisch posted:

Wait, they can see the queue? I was under the impression that IKs couldn't see reports, based off what a few thread-specific IKs have said(and said IKs encouraged PMing them instead).

The Mod Queue and the Reports Forums are two different things. The Mod Queue is a separate entity that doesn't have a link or anything, to get to it you have to basically have access to it, you're redirected to it after you queue something, etc.

The Reports Forum is like, an actual normal forum, except all the threads are automatically generated by a bot when a report is made and we respond to them as if they were a regular thread.

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008



Toilet Rascal

Gloomy Rube posted:

PHPBB highlights threads with reports as BRIGHT RED to mods and posts the same way, and despite being a pretty terrible board system in many ways, I feel like a similar system would really assist mods here with handling reports since a thread turning bright red would tell them there's a report un-dealt with in a thread.

Of course, since this is all radium code we're working off, if that's even possible to implement HERE is another thing altogether

This is the biggest thing to remember, theres so much of this code that is decades or even VB original for all we know that is load bearing to the software. Somehow getting in the function to add notifications may not be possible without a complete rewrite of whole sections of the code, which would probably break something else in the core VB software. On some of this I don't know how much is radium or just old hosed up coding from the late 90s. or a horrible abomination of the two thats entangled enough that its impossible to fix.

On having a thread be colored it would be a bad choice, since so many posts in a thread can become an issue that the easiest way to tell is if a thread explodes in post number suddenly. since at that point you can assume that there is an issue in the thread in question. I say assume since most mods or iks have threads they pay attention to an know that an increase of 100 posts in a thread in 40 minutes may not be normal when a thread gets 100 posts a day at most. And diverting a notice in Pms doesnt work since the pm box is a finite box that only stores so much and would be blocking posters pms to the mods. Adding it to the SA forums front page would require people to go to the front page to

Also for people curious the bot that reports on the report forum is SA report bot. As the admin The Finn found out, don't accidentally put a probe on donny the support bot and not the poster in question. Because then Donny will try and post a new report and cant because hes probated, then crash the forums as he goes nuts because the reports arent going through.

UCS Hellmaker fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jan 4, 2020

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Thereís also the fact that mods arenít on call. Having them get notifications sounds great in theory but the reality is that they have jobs etc. This is part of why we try to get time zone spreads covered for the big, active forums. Plus, in the big forums you have the problem of spamming multiple mods with notifications.

The system we have is imperfect but it works OK. Mods just need to check the reports periodically. I can tell you from experience that itís rare that a report languishes for more than a day. Plus mods tend to be active in their communities. When poo poo really blows up its even money that theyíll actually get some moderating action in before the reports start.

The main thing is realizing that just because poo poo is happening at 3pm doesnít mean a mod is going to be able to respond by 330.

Itís not a perfect system, and at times it shows itís weaknesses (especially during big events or holidays when mod staff tend to be busy with family and posters arenít at work etc so have more forums time) , but day to day it works well enough.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


The old forum I admined had a notice at the top of the page when there was a report made that we would just turn off after we'd dealt with it, but I imagine it would be a lot more obnoxious on a bigger forum like this when there's a bunch of reports being submitted all at once.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

Roth posted:

The old forum I admined had a notice at the top of the page when there was a report made that we would just turn off after we'd dealt with it, but I imagine it would be a lot more obnoxious on a bigger forum like this when there's a bunch of reports being submitted all at once.

This is part of it, but we'd tailor it to our specific subs. In theory, it shouldn't be too hard, but radium is the gift that keeps on giving

Zakutambah
Jan 17, 2007

#include <Mastodon.h>
#include <Pterodactyl.h>
#include <Triceratops.h>
#include <SaberToothed_Tiger.h>
#include <Tyrannosaurus.h>

void megazordSequence();

College Slice



Mentioned in another thread, but radium still haunts us to this day it seems
I'm assuming his is some sort of unique root-level account that can't be disabled without breaking half the place.

Asked this in another thread, but I'll ask here as well since it's much more appropriate; has any of the forums code ever been put up on like a git or even a pastebin? I'm morbidly curious to see samples of radium's genius after hearing all these legends.


UCS Hellmaker posted:

Also for people curious the bot that reports on the report forum is SA report bot. As the admin The Finn found out, don't accidentally put a probe on donny the support bot and not the poster in question. Because then Donny will try and post a new report and cant because hes probated, then crash the forums as he goes nuts because the reports arent going through.

I love it

Zakutambah fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Jan 4, 2020

The Shortest Path
Jun 21, 2012

It's a lovely morning on the forums, and you are a horrible goose.




Do IKs have mod forum access?

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008



Toilet Rascal

No, they basically just get report buttons and thats it I believe. They definitely don't see reports

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008




Thanks, this is very interesting!

iospace posted:

Do note that if you try to report something, and get "this thread has already been reported", that means that that specific post has already been reported.

It seems like it should be simple to change this to "this post has already been reported"...

quote:

Oh, and for the love of the gods PLEASE PUT A REASON IN YOUR REPORT what may be obvious to you may not be to everyone else!

It's really annoying how little room there is for report reasons, but I guess this is because reports turn into pseudo-threads in the reports forum -- it has to fit in a thread title.

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Also for people curious the bot that reports on the report forum is SA report bot. As the admin The Finn found out, don't accidentally put a probe on donny the support bot and not the poster in question. Because then Donny will try and post a new report and cant because hes probated, then crash the forums as he goes nuts because the reports arent going through.

angerbeet
Mar 23, 2004


plob


There are secret forums.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012

I'm escaping to the ONE PLACE that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism.... SPAAAACE


ToxicFrog posted:

It's really annoying how little room there is for report reasons, but I guess this is because reports turn into pseudo-threads in the reports forum -- it has to fit in a thread title.

iirc a report title is just something like "[poster] reported by [poster]". the max report length used to be like half the length it is now Ė if you really need to say more you can just pm the mod.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Iospace, you mention ďthread movesĒ appearing in the mod queue.

Can moderators move threads on their own authority, or is approval required?

Zakutambah posted:

Mentioned in another thread, but radium still haunts us to this day it seems
I'm assuming his is some sort of unique root-level account that can't be disabled without breaking half the place.

The ďradiumĒ entity is still responsible for the autobans people get for, say, using the ďBAN MEĒ thread icon.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Mods can move threads but itís generally considered polite to ask the mod of the place itís getting dumped first.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019



iospace posted:

That out of the way, a primer on user levels.

  • Unregistered User: If the forums wide paywall is down, is able see the forums, but certain subs will be invisible. If it is up, you're unable to see anything.
  • Permabanned: not allowed to re-reg in any way shape or form. If you're perma'd and sniffed out to be, any re-regs obviously get the perma applied.
  • Banned: allowed to pay 10 dollars to re-register, can't see the forums, and naturally can't post or send PMs. Being banned also strips plat and your avatar.
  • Probated: not allowed to post, but can see the forums and send PMs. If you post on an alt, that account is banned.
  • Regular user: most of you, but lack the ability to send PMs and report posts.
  • Platinum user: regular users but allowed to send PMs and report posts.
  • IK: allowed to probe users up 6 six hours without admin approval and able to see the mod queue. Powers limited to specific threads or forums (and subs).
  • Moderator: can do everything an IK can do, but queue up to 24 hour probes without admin approval. Access to the mod forum and report queue is also granted here. Powers limited to a forum and it's subs.
  • Super moderator: able to use mod powers in every forum, but are asked to only use it in emergencies.
  • Admin: approves queued probations, titles, and bans. Anything they put in the queue is automatically processed.



And IIRC, archives access isn't even a user level, it's technically an entirely separate forum that disables the ability to post/reply and just happens to have old threads moved over to it from the live servers periodically. This is also why you lose forums upgrades when you're banned (because banned user and platinum user are mutually exclusive user levels), but not archives access.

dirby
Sep 21, 2004


Fun Shoe

angerbeet posted:

There are secret forums.

I am eternally taunted by unread posts in, say, threadid 3510844 in my bookmarks.

Charles
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom


Toilet Rascal

Once you act on a report does it mean the post can be reported again?
edit: I see it puts the post in an iframe, it would be cool if it "screenshotted" the post so it can't be edited out.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Project Force

Charles posted:

Once you act on a report does it mean the post can be reported again?
edit: I see it puts the post in an iframe, it would be cool if it "screenshotted" the post so it can't be edited out.

I do not know the answer to the first question.

To the second one, the internal frame is actually active - that is, you can respond to, edit, or quote the post in question from the frame, issue bans/probations, etc. Itís a post within a post. In that sense making it a screenshot would be difficult because itís not a picture or static item.

cda
Jan 2, 2010


Do admins see the same modqueue as mods or is there more information in there for them?

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008




Lightning Knight posted:

I do not know the answer to the first question.

To the second one, the internal frame is actually active - that is, you can respond to, edit, or quote the post in question from the frame, issue bans/probations, etc. Itís a post within a post. In that sense making it a screenshot would be difficult because itís not a picture or static item.

In a technical sense, actually taking a screenshot of a post server-side would be a pain, but then rendering it in a way that still has the reply/quote/edit/ban/etc buttons around it would be trivial (screenshot td.postbody and then render the <img> with td.postlinks underneath it).

A better approach would just be to snapshot the contents of the post (i.e. what you see when you quote or edit it) and save that in the report queue rather than just displaying the reported post in an iframe, at the cost of requiring a tiny bit more server-side storage. This would also make possible to compare "post as reported" and "post as later edited". I have no idea if this is at all feasible because, well, radium, but in principle it's not that complicated.

Charles
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom


Toilet Rascal

Yeah, I didn't mean literally a JPG, just the contents at the time of reporting. People can edit out what they were reported for.

Add it to the very long wishlist of features 😅

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



cda posted:

Do admins see the same modqueue as mods or is there more information in there for them?

Its the same view, only there are a couple of extra buttons for admin stuff like approving / rejecting probations.

nashona
May 8, 2014

Though she be but little, she is fierce




This is interesting, thank you for sharing this. May I suggest you make an announcement pointing to this thread?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

nashona posted:

This is interesting, thank you for sharing this. May I suggest you make an announcement pointing to this thread?

I'll see what I can do about that! Mods don't have the power to do that, admins do, but that would be a good idea.

e: I did relay the suggestion, by the way.

iospace fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jan 10, 2020

Charles
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom


Toilet Rascal

Wait until some of the current announcements die out though. People will start ignoring them if there are too many.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Do admins have access to the database, or is that a wholly separate set of credentials only issued by Lowtax to whomever is cursed with janitoring the forums software itself?

Do admins have the power to de-admin Lowtax, or is his account a super-admin that cannot be touched?

(this is not, as some dipshit in another thread thought, me asking for the admins to overthrow Lowtax, but more me trying to get an understanding of how much damage could occur if the wrong person was made an admin)


UCS Hellmaker posted:

This is the biggest thing to remember, theres so much of this code that is decades or even VB original for all we know that is load bearing to the software. Somehow getting in the function to add notifications may not be possible without a complete rewrite of whole sections of the code, which would probably break something else in the core VB software. On some of this I don't know how much is radium or just old hosed up coding from the late 90s. or a horrible abomination of the two thats entangled enough that its impossible to fix.

I feel like more and more people have been forgetting this lately; the SA forums are a hacked-up, jury-rigged customization of software that was released in 2001. Much of the code predates MySpace.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand


Grimey Drawer

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Do admins have access to the database, or is that a wholly separate set of credentials only issued by Lowtax to whomever is cursed with janitoring the forums software itself?

Do admins have the power to de-admin Lowtax, or is his account a super-admin that cannot be touched?

(this is not, as some dipshit in another thread thought, me asking for the admins to overthrow Lowtax, but more me trying to get an understanding of how much damage could occur if the wrong person was made an admin)


I feel like more and more people have been forgetting this lately; the SA forums are a hacked-up, jury-rigged customization of software that was released in 2001. Much of the code predates MySpace.

probably not possible thru the UI (im guessing)

someone with root on the servers and DB could probably lock him out (and/or assume his identity). but even if that happens, im sure lowtax can contact the hosting provider, show them that its his name on the credit card, get a new root pw on the server, and regain control.

the thing is.... if a rogue admin is willing and able to do that, they would probably also be able to do much worse (zero out the db and blow away the backups). and its unclear if lowtax would have the patience and wherewithal to deal with the scenario i have laid out.

im pretty sure lowtax gives almost nobody db and server access. jeffery of yospos might be the only one right now

iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

As far as I'm aware, it's only Jeff and Lowtax with access.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS


Floss Finder

Helianthus Annuus posted:

probably not possible thru the UI (im guessing)

someone with root on the servers and DB could probably lock him out (and/or assume his identity). but even if that happens, im sure lowtax can contact the hosting provider, show them that its his name on the credit card, get a new root pw on the server, and regain control.

the thing is.... if a rogue admin is willing and able to do that, they would probably also be able to do much worse (zero out the db and blow away the backups). and its unclear if lowtax would have the patience and wherewithal to deal with the scenario i have laid out.

im pretty sure lowtax gives almost nobody db and server access. jeffery of yospos might be the only one right now
Choochacacko has access as well but yeah, as far as I know that's it. Removing lowtax is possible in the same way that deleting the forums and making the site a chewbacca ate my balls mirror is also possible, and giving someone server access depends on trusting them not to do that. Please do not leak any details of my planned coup.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

Http 418


Everything I have heard on the subject of backend access says Lowtax is incredibly paranoid about giving access. I'm willing to bet that if he knew how to do a deployment pipeline not even the devs would be able to access it

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 20 hours!


College Slice

He probably should be a little paranoid about that.

iospace posted:

Do note that if you try to report something, and get "this thread has already been reported", that means that that specific post has already been reported.

I've long wondered about that, specifically, since it seemed unlikely to me a thread could only be reported once, but the phrasing is odd. I've seen the message several times, which means I am slow on the draw to report obvious things. I suppose it's because the report turns that post into a thread, in the mod forum?

Edit: here's a real question: What is the intended purpose of the 100k hour probation? Shouldn't someone hit with that just be permabanned instead?

FuturePastNow fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jan 10, 2020

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



I'm not a fancy back end admin, and my computer skills pretty much extend to troubleshooting Windows 10 drivers, but based on what I've seen as a mod yeah, the notice is just weird. I've absolutely seen two people report multiple posts in the same thread. Pretty sure I've also seen two people report the same post but like. . . . an hour or two apart.

My gut tells me that it was put in to prevent the reports from getting flooded if someone goatse'd GBS and 100 people slapped report at once. With how we clear the report forum out that would be . . . . annoying. Imagine having to manually respond to and close 100 1 post threads. That's basically what it would look like.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS


Floss Finder

FuturePastNow posted:

He probably should be a little paranoid about that.


I've long wondered about that, specifically, since it seemed unlikely to me a thread could only be reported once, but the phrasing is odd. I've seen the message several times, which means I am slow on the draw to report obvious things. I suppose it's because the report turns that post into a thread, in the mod forum?

Edit: here's a real question: What is the intended purpose of the 100k hour probation? Shouldn't someone hit with that just be permabanned instead?
Someone brought up the message yesterday and I changed it to "post" in response. I do not know the reasoning for how it was phrased initially and your guess is as good as mine. I'm guessing it was written by radium and not thought twice about since. I do think it would be interesting to see how many times a given post has been reported, but that would be a much more involved project than changing the message displayed.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Project Force

FuturePastNow posted:

Edit: here's a real question: What is the intended purpose of the 100k hour probation? Shouldn't someone hit with that just be permabanned instead?

Itís generally seen as a kind of joke punishment and rarely deployed because of begging this exact question.

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.


Lightning Knight posted:

It’s generally seen as a kind of joke punishment and rarely deployed because of begging this exact question.

Wasn't the permaban a feature that was added in later and so the 100k was initially the only way of stopping someone reregistering?

E: didn't permadead proceed the permaban?

Shut up Meg fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 10, 2020

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Charles
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom


Toilet Rascal

Shut up Meg posted:

Wasn't the permaban a feature that was added in later and so the 100k was initially the only way of stopping someone reregistering?

No, bans of any kind predate the entire probation system.

Also I think this "this thread has been reported" is left over from vBulletin 2, but there are no extant forums left to compare it to.

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