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Thoren posted:How do you guys figure the Fullbring arc was originally supposed to end? With Tsukishima's suspenders being the final boss
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Kild posted:I think they only did it because he was contacted by Xcution or whatever the Fullbringers were called. lol Honestly, this is probably the actual reason. Soul Society won't give a poo poo about you until you do something they deem bad.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:40
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Thoren posted:How do you guys figure the Fullbring arc was originally supposed to end? Honestly considering Bleach's history I cannot imagine any scenario other than "the popular poll characters show up and save the day" Doesn't help that I cannot remember what Xcution's motivation was other than they wanted Ichigo's power
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Dec 31, 2021 22:40
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lezard_valeth posted:Honestly considering Bleach's history I cannot imagine any scenario other than "the popular poll characters show up and save the day" Ginjo ultimately wanted revenge on soul society and I think Ukitake in particular for loving him over and killing his friends. I think Tsukishima and Giriko knew and were on board, the others I think were just kind of in the organization but would not necessarily be involved in that plan.
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Dec 31, 2021 22:49
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Ginjou could absorb powers so he and Tsukushima concocted a hugely elaborate scenario to gain Ichigo's trust, unlock his latent fullbring power (which they knew he had because ???) then betray and steal Ichigo's powers so Ginjou could get strong enough to take revenge on SS for betraying him when he was a substitute shinigami. Also the only ones who were in on this were Tsukushima and Ginjou, everybody else was just a dumb rube those two were using, IIRC. Also in the LN's it turns out Ginjou is actually really loving important because he, like Ichigo, is part-everything and so was also a backup Soul King option.
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Dec 31, 2021 22:57
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Ginjo being able to absorb powers makes him a hard counter to Yhwach, doesn’t it?
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Ginjo being able to absorb powers makes him a hard counter to Yhwach, doesn’t it? yhwach: "no it doesn't" *ginjo coughs blood and falls over dead*
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Jan 1, 2022 00:26
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Still not as bad as Madara.
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Sydin posted:Ginjou could absorb powers so he and Tsukushima concocted a hugely elaborate scenario to gain Ichigo's trust, unlock his latent fullbring power (which they knew he had because ???) then betray and steal Ichigo's powers so Ginjou could get strong enough to take revenge on SS for betraying him when he was a substitute shinigami. Also the only ones who were in on this were Tsukushima and Ginjou, everybody else was just a dumb rube those two were using, IIRC. They knew his background. And anyone with a parent who encountered hollows has the power to fullbring.
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Jan 1, 2022 01:46
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chumbler posted:Still not as bad as Madara. all uchihas are clowns
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Jan 1, 2022 02:43
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They just love so much their brain breaks and they become jokerfied. This is canon.
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Jan 1, 2022 02:49
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For those of you who never got that far into Naruto, he's not even joking, that is literally canon. The Uchiha all turn evil because they love people too much. They are literally all Anakin Skywalker
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Jan 1, 2022 02:58
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"Is it possible to learn such power?" "Not from a ninja."
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Jan 1, 2022 03:07
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the solution sasuke found was to marry a woman he didn't love while completely avoiding his daughter.
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Kild posted:They knew his background. And anyone with a parent who encountered hollows has the power to fullbring. I think this got retconned in the LN so that all Fullbringers have a tiny piece of Soul King in them or something, and that piece actually ends up attracting Hollows and causing those attacks in the first place.
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Jan 1, 2022 10:21
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Well I'm glad between Karakura town and a the Gotei 13 they had all the pieces of the Soul King.
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Oxxidation posted:yhwach: "no it doesn't" No one expects Lloyd Royd not even Tite Kubo
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I’ve changed my stance on Fullbringer arc. The first few chapters are really good, they just needed a bit more room to breathe after Aizen’s defeat. An epilogue to the Aizen arc would have been ideal. But come on, this interaction is absolutely great:  Also Kubo really likes the “lazy and casual but insanely strong” archetype. Urahara starts that way, then we meet Kyoraku, then we get Starrk, then Nakk Levarr. Also why did Kubo make Zommari the Espada and Pepe the Sternritter both black dudes with intense religious fervor and the ability to take control of things through the power of love?
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Jan 6, 2022 00:41
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I recall pacing being most of Bleach's problem back in the day anyway - we have the glacial pacing to thank for the Bount arc after all.
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Jan 6, 2022 00:51
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All of Bleach's arcs start real strong it's around the back half where most arcs just kinda fizzle out.
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Jan 6, 2022 01:17
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Here's an intriguing premise, and a bunch of characters with cool designs. Okay now that that's setup, all 100 new characters must engage in sequential single combat with the 100 pre-existing characters.
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Jan 6, 2022 01:25
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Lib and let die posted:I recall pacing being most of Bleach's problem back in the day anyway - we have the glacial pacing to thank for the Bount arc after all. I remember reading Bleach month to month for close to a decade and it was... rough. Electric Phantasm posted:All of Bleach's arcs start real strong it's around the back half where most arcs just kinda fizzle out. I'd argue Soul Society is the opposite: it starts off as a pretty slow burn with Ichigo kinda getting bogged down with the Ginjou stuff and the gate guardians, and everybody splitting off to fight dumb low level fights. It only really starts picking up at Ichigo vs Renji and from then on gets better and better culminating with the best fight of the arc. It also ends with the Aizen reveal and him curbstomping half the captains on his way out the door which was a phenomenal teaser for the next arc.
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Jan 6, 2022 01:26
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Sydin posted:I remember reading Bleach month to month for close to a decade and it was... rough. Stopping Ichigo's music dead cold is one of the greatest moments in fighting anime history imo
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Jan 6, 2022 01:30
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Sydin posted:I remember reading Bleach month to month for close to a decade and it was... rough. I did say most arcs. Still wishing Uryu vs. Hitsugaya happened like in the 2nd OP.
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Electric Phantasm posted:I did say most arcs. I think my favorite moment in the entire manga is Ishida becoming a loving jedi
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Jan 6, 2022 02:44
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Lib and let die posted:Stopping Ichigo's music dead cold is one of the greatest moments in fighting anime history imo It was a super good way to make a jarring moment for the viewer
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Jan 6, 2022 03:02
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The Arrancar arc is mostly great up until the end of the last Grimmjow fight. Around then is when both Chad and Ishida are suddenly unceremoniously chumped and the entire thing very abruptly shifts gears into garbage
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Jan 6, 2022 04:20
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RevolverDivider posted:The Arrancar arc is mostly great up until the end of the last Grimmjow fight. Around then is when both Chad and Ishida are suddenly unceremoniously chumped and the entire thing very abruptly shifts gears into garbage Ichigo just deciding to suddenly win was awful. “I can’t get hurt anymore” was so dumb. The fight against Ulquiorra was bad too, just taking turns powering up while Origime screams Ichigo’s name. Cool designs and a couple cool moments, but the fight sucks overall. A ton of cool moments in fake Karakura though. Everything with Barragan. Everything with Alon, everything with Yamamoto. Tosen and Komamura’s relationship, Tosen and Hisagi. Izuru’s shikai as a guillotine. Everything to do with Gin until Aizen no sells his attack and thus makes everything about Gin dumb. Gin got done as dirty as Tatsuki.
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Jan 6, 2022 06:49
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Gin was treated better than 95% of Bleach characters.
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Jan 6, 2022 07:03
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Gin had to die because against anybody besides Aizen or Yhwach his incredible ability to actually lie about what his power does would allow him to win against anybody else in universe.
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Jan 6, 2022 07:46
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It was a pretty great segment when Gin tells Ichigo 'yeah my shikai is 50 times the speed of sound' or whatever and Ichigo has to reason out how hosed he is and then why he actually isn't
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Zwingley posted:It was a pretty great segment when Gin tells Ichigo 'yeah my shikai is 50 times the speed of sound' or whatever and Ichigo has to reason out how hosed he is and then why he actually isn't Bankai. But yeah Gin later admits he was lying about how fast it was and how long it got.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Bankai. But yeah Gin later admits he was lying about how fast it was and how long it got. Yeah that was it. Bleach was wild sometimes
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MonsterEnvy posted:Bankai. But yeah Gin later admits he was lying about how fast it was and how long it got. good title for a new bleach thread
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Ichigo just deciding to suddenly win was awful. “I can’t get hurt anymore” was so dumb. The fight against Ulquiorra was bad too, just taking turns powering up while Origime screams Ichigo’s name. Cool designs and a couple cool moments, but the fight sucks overall. No mention of Kyoraku vs Starrk's fight?
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Jan 8, 2022 02:50
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If Kubo actually follows through with the Hell Arc I hope he does the ultimate fanservice-y thing in it, a permanent Getsuga state bankai. That look was cash money
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Jan 8, 2022 04:01
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lezard_valeth posted:No mention of Kyoraku vs Starrk's fight? Less than the sum of its parts. Kyoraku and Ukitake had cool shikai abilities. Starrk could do some cool things. But it just didn’t grab me. I didn’t think it was bad, it was better than any other fights the Visored were in except Barragan vs Hachi and Soi Fon. Best fights in fake karakura: 1. Izuru vs Redder 2. Barragan vs Soi Fon and Hachi 3. Yamamoto vs Wanderweiss 4. Gin vs Ichigo 5. Ayon vs Half the Soul Reapers 6. Hisagi & Komamura vs Tosen 7. kyoraku and friends vs Starrk 8. Ichigo vs Aizen 9. Yumichika vs Charlotte Honorable mention: don kanonji and keigo asano vs Aizen There are like eight or nine other fights and I don’t like them. I think my choices are pretty much correct. Ichigo vs Aizen is low because despite Ichigo looking very cool, it’s not particularly interesting since it’s just a series of Ichigo one shotting Aizen who then immediately recovers.
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starrrrk went from being cool and mysterious to super weird. his defining characteristic was loneliness, okay, fine. he used his amazing power to create a friend, sure, whatever. but the form that friend took was, uh, very telling and not in a good way.
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Jan 8, 2022 12:37
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PringleCreamEgg posted:keigo asano vs Aizen Keigo was one stone cold badass.
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Honorable mention: don kanonji and keigo asano vs Aizen Special points go to Mizuiro's how-the-hell-does-he-know-this-stuff use of improvised explosives vs Aizen. Completely useless because Aizen is 90% of the way to godhood at this point, but if Bleach was a seinen manga Mizuiro would be the main character.
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