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Think of the rules as the fantasy equivalent of the grumpy old men and it feels more appropriate.
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Feb 10, 2021 09:53
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Lone Goat posted:If it were me running this I'd shave off all that garbage, simplify the league to WHOMST WILL WIN THE MOST BOUTS (of your 5 subdivisions), make a non-trash spreadsheet that can actually handle a basic ruleset, and then let it run to find out who is the yokogoonest of them all. Jason (from Jason's All-Sumo channel) literally runs this exact contest and usually it works out okay but this January I was one of 18 people tied for first place. 
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Feb 10, 2021 11:50
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Brut posted:Jason (from Jason's All-Sumo channel) literally runs this exact contest and usually it works out okay but this January I was one of 18 people tied for first place. So then make all of the goofy meaningless poo poo into a bunch of tiebreaks. Smaller fields are going to lead to a narrower range of scores so it's not surprising that the basho with a billion people out for covid has a tonne of people bunched up at the top. Were there that many ties for the first in the other months or is this one an outlier? anakha posted:Think of the rules as the fantasy equivalent of the grumpy old men and it feels more appropriate. Do the grumpy old men do literally anything to make the sport better? I've only been paying attention to sumo for a year or two and it seems like they care more about tradition than the health and safety of the competitors, or the entertainment of the fans.
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Feb 10, 2021 14:31
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Lone Goat posted:So then make all of the goofy meaningless poo poo into a bunch of tiebreaks. Nah it was an outlier, which is what I was trying to say when I wrote "usually it works out okay", on top of it being a very weird basho though he's got over 1000 people entering his contest these days, as opposed to this thread's ~30. Lone Goat posted:Do the grumpy old men do literally anything to make the sport better? I've only been paying attention to sumo for a year or two and it seems like they care more about tradition than the health and safety of the competitors, or the entertainment of the fans. If you mean the various Oyakata, every single one of them is a former competitor and their main job is to train others in their stable, then on top of that they have various responsibilities that range from guarding the door (often done by just-retired competitors) through being on the Shimpan rotation (the ring side judges), all the way to being head of the NSK board, a position currently occupied by Hakkaku, otherwise known as 61st Yokozuna Hokutoumi. If you mean the Yokozuna Deliberation Council, eh...that's debatable, but probably the answer is no.
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Feb 10, 2021 15:04
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If there were a consensus that the system was overly complex and that people didn't enjoy it I'd be fine with trimming the fat, but the main thing people have suggested over the years was making it more complex, either by adding a juryo slot or adding some scoring opportunities related to rare kimarite. Again, it's actually a really simple ruleset as fantasy sports go, and a lot of people in the thread seem to enjoy it and I enjoy running it. It just might not be to your taste.
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Feb 10, 2021 18:18
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I enjoy it as it is, and I appreciate you running it.
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Feb 10, 2021 18:22
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i have no problem with the rules Kenning runs. i encourage loan goat to run a parallel sumo fantasy league, and we can see for ourselves whether it's any better.
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Feb 10, 2021 19:26
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The current rules are fun and understandable! Though I haven't played in a hot minute... I have been keeping up with sumo still though!
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Feb 10, 2021 20:45
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I have not for one second looked at the rules. I pick wrestlers I like, AOIYAMA goes 5-10, I end up in the middle of the pack. Rinse and repeat. I appreciate the work Kenning puts in and have no idea if/how the system should be changed.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:04
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I also like the rules as they are and appreciate Kenning running it. Heck, additional complications like a Juryo pick would be fun. Or call the right macaron color and get 0.01 points!
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Feb 10, 2021 21:24
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Does anyone have a record of all the colors the macaroon has been? Could be fun to legit add that as a tiebreaker/bonus points/bragging rights thing. Off hand I remember pink, green, blue, and gold. Maybe orange and purple? I bet there's a list somewhere, sumo fans are nuts.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:29
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The macaroon is always the same colour in the end.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:49
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contest is good and makes sense well enough from the users' perspective if kenning doesn't mind running it
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Feb 10, 2021 22:57
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I was recently introduced to sumo and I watched the Grand Sumo Highlights every day for two weeks. And I normally don't like watching sports. I was glued to watching these guys. Then I went back and watched other sumo tournaments from years gone by. I binged it like a wrestler binges on chankonabe. I don't know why I like fat men pushing each other around, but I do, and I'm here to read and post about it.
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Feb 11, 2021 01:07
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Ice Phisherman posted:I was recently introduced to sumo and I watched the Grand Sumo Highlights every day for two weeks. And I normally don't like watching sports. I was glued to watching these guys. Then I went back and watched other sumo tournaments from years gone by. I binged it like a wrestler binges on chankonabe. To me sumo kind of takes me back to wrestling in high school. Mostly the one on one element and physicality. There's also the whole tradition behind being an ancient sport and that's very compelling to me.
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Feb 11, 2021 02:13
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Vargatron posted:To me sumo kind of takes me back to wrestling in high school. Mostly the one on one element and physicality. There's also the whole tradition behind being an ancient sport and that's very compelling to me. Same, save for the high school wrestling. I enjoy the one on one physicality and as a history nerd, the history of sports is huge for me.
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Feb 11, 2021 02:58
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As a new sumo fan that is big into other sports it was definitely the traditional aspects that hooked me along with the actual sumo wrestling. Yeah, part of me feels like someone could come in and min/max the sport with a sumo Ivan Drago, but would their hair be as good as the other rikishi? Who's making their sagari? Their chankonabe would probably suck balls and I bet they wouldn't even know how to do that little hand thing before receiving their prize. The traditional aspects are weird but it's fun as hell learning about it all, the sumopedia bits at the end of the NHK highlights have been great.
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Feb 11, 2021 10:03
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MyChemicalImbalance posted:As a new sumo fan that is big into other sports it was definitely the traditional aspects that hooked me along with the actual sumo wrestling. A lot of that sort of traditional stuff was a hook for me too, but at the same time, there's certain aspects of sumo that it just feels insane that they don't change for the sake of safety. Like the dohyo being raised two feet off the ground, or the near-complete lack of modern sports medicine used in treating injuries, or the shockingly bad concussion protocols. I guess one could say that a sport where competitors are encouraged to balloon up to 400 lbs can never really be safe or healthy but the other stuff I mentioned, it feels like you could change that and still keep the spirit and substance of sumo alive.
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Feb 11, 2021 17:15
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The former united states president introduced me to sumo, I watched the tournament before his arrival and then I watched him give out the trophy and read the certificate. I've been watching ever since. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF34OK3hSD8
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Feb 11, 2021 17:47
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I was at that tournament and was so annoyed that they shut down all the coin lockers in central Tokyo for "safety", forcing me to carry my poo poo around everywhere. That's my story 
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Feb 11, 2021 17:59
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For me it was the simplicity of the matches. I got started reading some article a few years ago talking about how Hakuho was possibly the most dominant athlete ever in their sport so I decided to check him out. The only things I knew were 1. Don’t leave the ring and 2. Don’t fall down. Even with that, it was enough to enjoy the matches without needing to know any fancy strategy, rules or needing anyone to explain what was happening. Then from there you get all the cool and weird out of ring stuff, but I don’t think I would have stuck around long enough to care if I watched those first couple matches and couldn’t understand what was happening.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:19
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Yeah, that's a big one. I also think the fact that there are 20 matches a day for 15 days, and they're all so short, means that you can start to get a feel for the different forces and dynamics of sumo fairly quickly, which draws you in more.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:23
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Yeah to be clear when I mentioned tradition I wasn't complaining about salt throwing wearing the sagari, but this stuff:Pakled posted:A lot of that sort of traditional stuff was a hook for me too, but at the same time, there's certain aspects of sumo that it just feels insane that they don't change for the sake of safety. Like the dohyo being raised two feet off the ground, or the near-complete lack of modern sports medicine used in treating injuries, or the shockingly bad concussion protocols. Or the guy that was forced two retire because he didn't want to risk catching covid. From the outside it seems like you have to commit your life sumo and any misstep means you're blackballed forever, and it's not like sumo skills really translate to any other career?
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Feb 11, 2021 18:34
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I'm pretty sure I started watching because for a while I tried to absorb as much native language content on NHK as I could find, and happened to come across a sumo highlight in Japanese. Probably just decided it looked interesting enough to actually follow up on. I hate chalking it up to a "I just happened to catch it" fluke but here I am, three or four years later still waiting for my boy Takayasu to win a basho so..
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Feb 11, 2021 18:48
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Six rikishi positive for COVID-19. They're belowI hate the sekitori ranks, so their names and heya haven't been released. I hate this all so much.
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Feb 17, 2021 10:14
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https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1363060691163353089 Cool picture, shame about the resolution but I'll take what I can get. Edit: Oh wait here's the original, unannotated but huge resolution fitting of these huge men. https://twitter.com/sumokyokai/status/1363000162629554177 Brut fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Feb 20, 2021 11:41
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Brut posted:https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1363060691163353089 Yuki busting out the bodybuilding pose is incredible 
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Feb 20, 2021 12:13
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That dispels the myth of Asanoyama only training with his own stablemates, that kept popping up on youtube comments whenever he would lose a bout Also looking forward to Kakuryu not showing up at the next basho again
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Feb 20, 2021 20:42
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I was rooting through some old forgotten drawers in an end table in the spare room and I found a deck of sumo playing cards from the 80s (possibly 90-91 I suppose). I'm not sure if these cards represent a specific basho or just popular wrestlers over a span of time or what. I found a few similar ones on ebay but not much info. They must have belonged to my grandparents, but I can't remember who specifically - they all would have loved these.         Might be some good av material in there.
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Feb 21, 2021 22:43
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That rules
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Feb 21, 2021 22:53
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i guess aces must be lower cards instead of high (or at least lower than king) in whatever was the most popular game using western cards in the late showa era as the kings seem to be yokuzuna or ozeki while the aces all seemed to have peaked at sekiwake. fujizakura retired in 1985 so those cards are probably no later than that? also interesting to see that there was a showa sadanoumi, and he wasn't even in the same heya as the current one (80's one was dewanoumi, current one is sakaigawa.) def no later than 1986 as the 9 of diamonds is koji kitao before he became the disgraced yokuzuna futahaguro and later a pro wrestler. he changed his shikona away from his birth name in between the july and september basho in 1986 Thauros fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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Feb 21, 2021 23:08
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Thauros posted:i guess aces must be lower cards instead of high (or at least lower than king) in whatever was the most popular game using western cards in the late showa era as the kings seem to be yokuzuna or ozeki while the aces all seemed to have peaked at sekiwake. fujizakura retired in 1985 so those cards are probably no later than that? The current Sakaigawa-beya was created when former Ryogoku (Komusubi) and former Sadanoyama (50th Yokozuna) split off from Dewanoumi in the late 90s, so that makes sense. The Sadanoumi you are seeing is current Sadanoumi's father. Also those cards are rad, any chance you can get high res scans of them at some point? Also, what's on the back? I love that there was someone using the shikona "Hoo". Brut fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 03:05
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I was thinking the same thing with the aces/kings. I looked up Oshio, the ace of diamonds, and while he did have what I'd consider to be a quite successful career, the early 80s were the end of his time in makuuchi and that's lining up pretty well with some of the other historical tidbits. The Futahaguro note is a really good one. I also noticed that Kitanoumi retired in 1985. Sadanoumi - I thought that that looked suspiciously like him. That's pretty cool that it's his dad. The last picture I posted has the 2 jokers and the back of the card. I'm pretty sure that it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dgoku_Kokugikan on the back - which I hadn't looked up until now, and it turns out that that was built in 1985. I'm noticing a pattern here. I don't have a scanner but I would like to get some higher res images of those so when I eventually do visit a home with one I'll try to get some proper scans.
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Feb 22, 2021 03:23
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Looks like a company called Yamani Enterprises made a few different sets of the cards in the mid 80s to mid 90s: The company is long gone and it's hard to get any more info because the Japanese word for a set of playing cards is 'Trump', so trying to look up 'sumo trump' just returns a million hits of the big wet president's visit to the Kokugikan, lol.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:39
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Cool! I have a black and clear plastic box like that too, but no green box. The back of plastic box is branded Alaska Playing Card Co., Ltd.
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Feb 22, 2021 16:02
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yeah i was googling ”ヤマニ 相撲” as i could tell from the one card they wrote the company's name in katakana and couldn't find anything either. the kanji at the bottom of the green box predictably read "koukugikan" if anyone is curious and didn't know edit: did find this tho https://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMANI-Mus...497.m4902.l9144 Thauros fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 16:36
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Banzuke is up. http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ I guess enho is dead in the water then? Not even made it back up Edit : oh he sat out January because of injury.
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Feb 28, 2021 22:45
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banzuke's out! http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ most interesting part is daieisho only getting a komusubi slot after a 13-2 performance from m1
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Feb 28, 2021 22:47
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Banzuke is up. http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ beaten on the bansuke but he's miyagino-beya just like hakuho and the entire stable missed it due to covid
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Banzuke is up. http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ His heya had a covid scare, so Hakuho, Ishiura, and Enho did not participate.
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