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Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

Skjorte posted:

Tomokaze seemed to have a super promising career ahead; I hope it's not him.
Fwiw, the rumor mill has the other guy as Irodori, not either of the two named in the tweet.

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ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

The magnificent story of Dwayt al-Shrood.



Isn't running away from a stable just quitting? Or are you bound to go back/ you can't change heya

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Say 'Thank you, Ershin'.

Say it.




https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/st...962482790649859

No way is the JSA declining his retirement if this is true. That goes beyond being a dumbass and into willful flouting of the quarantine guidelines.

anakha fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 5, 2020

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010



College Slice

Goddammit, Abi.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



ok, my thought before this was “drat can’t they just suspend him for a basho or two?” feel less sympathy now

Thauros fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 5, 2020

Martytoof
Feb 25, 2003

 
 


Ok wrap it up, he’s done. Moving on..

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007




Foehammer007 posted:

This was my first tourny I watched so that was loving cool, when do the new ranks come out

From a couple days ago, but relevant now due to Abi being a screwup. The banzuke committee has actually met already to figure out the ranks and they’ve announced the guys moving up to Juryo so that they can start collecting paycheques before the official rankings are released.

Based on how many guys got promoted, people have figured that Abi’s paperwork got filed after the meeting so he’ll probably still be on the September banzuke hogging a spot in Makuuchi. In that case, for November there will be an extra promotion to take his vacated place.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand


Grimey Drawer

anakha posted:

https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/st...962482790649859

No way is the JSA declining his retirement if this is true. That goes beyond being a dumbass and into willful flouting of the quarantine guidelines.

oh man so he did think he would get away with it... because he had already gotten away with it a bunch of times

pseudodragon posted:

From a couple days ago, but relevant now due to Abi being a screwup. The banzuke committee has actually met already to figure out the ranks and they’ve announced the guys moving up to Juryo so that they can start collecting paycheques before the official rankings are released.

Based on how many guys got promoted, people have figured that Abi’s paperwork got filed after the meeting so he’ll probably still be on the September banzuke hogging a spot in Makuuchi. In that case, for November there will be an extra promotion to take his vacated place.

so wait, they won't bring another rikishi up from juryo to take his place in September?

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007




Helianthus Annuus posted:

so wait, they won't bring another rikishi up from juryo to take his place in September?

Apparently not if the predictors are right as once the banzuke is set, it’s set. Tochiozan for example was listed as J2W this tournament even though he announced his retirement before the tournament started and morbidly, Shobushi was still on the list since he died after the May banzuke was finalized and they reused the same one this time.

The official physical banzuke takes a long time to create as it’s done in super fancy, hand written calligraphy so once it goes to the people making it, there’d be a lot of crying if they have to start over.

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

It was a solid five minutes of "high sticking" on comms.



Imagine having a fellow athlete pass because of the virus then you go out "dozens" of times. Pretty horrible

Kenning
Jan 10, 2009

I really want to post goatse. I wish I had 10bux




Yeah man, I enjoyed Abi's sumo and his antics, but this loving blows.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

how can i listen to my pirated albums? oh wait.





I like this guy's take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ubJom_D08U

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



i didn’t know the rest of the banzuke besides the juryo/makushita exchanges were decided that far in advance of the public unveiling. guess it makes sense if they want the physical official banzuke in the elaborate calligraphy

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007




Thauros posted:

i didn’t know the rest of the banzuke besides the juryo/makushita exchanges were decided that far in advance of the public unveiling. guess it makes sense if they want the physical official banzuke in the elaborate calligraphy

I thought that too, but I figure the guys at tachiai know better than I do. I guess normally they’d have an extra week between the end of the tournament and the decisions so any immediate issues like this would get cleared up before they met.

https://tachiai.org/2020/08/05/new-juryo-for-aki-3/

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.







This is the most long winded let he who is without sin cast the first stone. gently caress Abi.

Kenning
Jan 10, 2009

I really want to post goatse. I wish I had 10bux




Yeah, I like Chris Sumo, and there are certainly problems with organizational discipline and culture in the NSK (and maybe other Japanese institutions, I can't comment on that), but it also stands to reason that people who had already been behaving badly might continue to do so, rather than "people who have been behaving badly get blamed more." Literally no one was surprised when it came out that Abi had been loving around, which is telling. I think people might have been pretty shocked if it came out that say, Kotoshogiku or Asanoyama had been flouting the guidelines. I don't think it's likely he's just a scapegoat.

pseudodragon posted:

I thought that too, but I figure the guys at tachiai know better than I do. I guess normally they’d have an extra week between the end of the tournament and the decisions so any immediate issues like this would get cleared up before they met.

https://tachiai.org/2020/08/05/new-juryo-for-aki-3/

The new banzuke is drafted I think the Monday after the tournament is completed. They wait to release it until 2 weeks before the following tournament. However, there are 2 pieces of information that are released early: promotions to juryo, and promotions to ozeki. Both of these promotions entail a great deal of work to be prepared for the next tournament, and also confer major improvements in pay and status, so they're told early in order to prepare. Juryo debutantes need to get their kesho-mawashi (the large, decorated apron thing they wear at the ring-entering ceremony) made and start receiving a salary/get some tsukebito (i.e. lower-ranked wrestlers who assist them)/start up a supporters club, etc. Ozeki get their parking space, an increase in pay, and have a bunch of other responsibilities/perks that need to get worked out. Usually there's lots of partying also, although obviously with coronavirus that's probably not really happening right now.

Kenning fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Aug 5, 2020

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand


Grimey Drawer

are there any resources out there for english speakers to learn enough japanese to understand the japanese language sumo commentary?

right now i don't know much japanese, so i don't get much out of the commentary, other than the kimarite after the bout is over

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Герой Советского Союза



Helianthus Annuus posted:

are there any resources out there for english speakers to learn enough japanese to understand the japanese language sumo commentary?

right now i don't know much japanese, so i don't get much out of the commentary, other than the kimarite after the bout is over

No? You'd have to learn a bunch of regular Japanese words and sentence structure to actually be able to understand the commentators, there's pages like this Glossary of Sumo Terms but I don't think you'll get much out of it if you're listening to the Japanese commentary without the sentences structured around it.


ilmucche posted:

Isn't running away from a stable just quitting? Or are you bound to go back/ you can't change heya

Not really, if you run away alone back to your parents or your home country, and especially if you cut your hair, then yeah probably. But if you run away as a group to the NSK in order to report that you haven't had an Oyakata in like a year and the Okamisan is abusing you all, that seems pretty different.

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Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand


Grimey Drawer

Brut posted:

No? You'd have to learn a bunch of regular Japanese words and sentence structure to actually be able to understand the commentators, there's pages like this Glossary of Sumo Terms but I don't think you'll get much out of it if you're listening to the Japanese commentary without the sentences structured around it.

im aware that i'm actually going to have to learn japanese for this to work. was i not clear about that? the point of learning the language by way of sumo is 1) it holds my attention and 2) the sumo commentators tend to say the same kinds of things over and over

anyway thanks for the vocab list, thats useful

what would be really helpful would be sumo videos with japanese commentary and accurate japanese-language closed-captions, so i can gloss unfamiliar non-sumo-specific japanese words that get used frequently. like, something a hard-of-hearing japanese sumo fan would watch. unfortunately, i'm in no position to evaluate the accuracy of japanese language subtitles, so i have to hope a bilingual goon will help me out

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