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don't remember a sumo thread before but i welcome it as friends got me into it a year and a half ago once i found out how to watch it daily in 20 or less minutes. would recommend adding tachiai.org to the op as i've found it incredibly useful in learning more about both the tactics and poltics unique to the sport. my main thought on the banzuke for this month is that terutsuyoshi got robbed. feel bad for abi as well as it's not his fault the ozeki have disintegrated but i'm not gonna blame the nsk for that one. Thauros fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Tsaedje posted:Can't remember if it's been mentioned in this new thread, but one of the reasons there are so many problems with fighting through injuries at the moment is the fact that in 2004 they removed the right to sit out one tournament without loss of rank in a supreme moment of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. it blew my mind to find out via wiki research that it was different not all that many years ago and it's not just a matter of an old tradition people are unwilling to change
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Jan 10, 2020 02:27
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wasn't sure how this worked at first but i'm in: Y/O: Hakuho/Kakuryu/Takakeisho S/K: Asanoyama/Daiesho/Takayasu M1-5: Mitakeumi/Endo/Enho M6-10:Ishiura/Ryuden/Aoiyama M11+:Ikioi/Kotoshogiku/Terutsuyoshi
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Jan 11, 2020 08:56
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feeling v dumb for picking ikioi after his performance in juryo last basho, esp given that he started fading late. i'm well aware of the reputation henkas have and why tho i'm personally usually a fan. does tamawashi have any heat for his arm bar that has caused so many injuries or is that just seen as tough and honest sumo?
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Jan 19, 2020 00:58
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i assumed terunofuji would be at like J2 next basho if he runs the table. Apparently there's a chance he could get promoted all the way up to makuuchi?
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Jan 22, 2020 14:22
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Marching Powder posted:so hakuho / enho happened and ENHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i found the three hour video thanks to someone else mentioning the person streaming it, can someone give the timestamp for this?
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Feb 9, 2020 11:11
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Marching Powder posted:Extremely wrong. 1.42 thanks!
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Feb 9, 2020 13:13
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kintamayama came out of retirement to post a digest of the event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnjjZCew20U
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Feb 9, 2020 13:23
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weird. i've only been following since mid 2018 but i wonder why they went after him when kintamayama had been doing it for years before and themn simultaneously until this last basho?
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Feb 12, 2020 13:51
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Bentai posted:Details from the NSK "closed doors" press conference all i can think of is a a reoccurring dream i had for years until i finally went to japan last january. for those who aren't pro wresting fans korakuen hall is a famous pro wrestling venue located a block away from the tokyo dome. another contributing factor is that certain japanese venues including edion arena in osaka where the next basho will (hopefully) be held have a smaller sub arena in the same building/complex where smaller shows can be held. 
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Mar 2, 2020 10:04
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what's the record for yusho won by someone who never reached ozeki, or even the record before they did? realize there's a good chance mitakeumi will in the near future but it crossed my mind when it looked like he was in contention for his third.
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Mar 25, 2020 14:06
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Y/O: Hakuho/Asanoyama/Kakuryu S/K: Shodai/Mitakeumi/Daiesho M1-5:Hokotofuji/Onosho/Kagayaki M6-10:Enho/Terutsuyoshi/Tamawashi M11+: Terunofuji/Takayasu/Tochinoshin
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Jul 18, 2020 22:00
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obv very early but it's great to see how good asanoyama has looked so far and hope he can keep it up.Brut posted:Hopefully, but recent history shows that a 7-0 from his current rank doesn't guarantee a promotion to Juryo, and a 6-1 score definitely does not get the promotion. huh. i knew 6--1 wouldn't do it but i thought 7-0 was an automatic promotion from what tachiai was saying when terunofuji was fighting his way back up the ranks.
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Jul 22, 2020 04:30
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Maigius posted:How has Hattorizakura been doing in this basho? I presume losing, but it can't hurt to be positive. tachiai retweeted his last match https://twitter.com/OneLoveLulit/status/1285723954200694786?s=20
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Jul 22, 2020 07:41
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i just looked up the three guys who have lost to hattorizakura and unsurprisingly none of them have been sucessful either: Sawanofuji handed hattorizakura his first win back in may 2016. career record - 47-122-2 highest rank - jonidan 72 current rank - jonokuchi 7 Soga lost to him in july 2018 career record - 36-43 highest rank - jonidan 50 current rank - jonidan 94 Houn was the third and as of now last rikishi to lose to the WOAT in january of last year career record - 27-79-1 highest rank - jonokuchi 3 current rank - jonokuchi 5 (to give an idea of how jonokuchi works, he advanced from jk16 last basho on the strength of a 3-4 mk) the last time he won a match was the month i went to japan, his oyakata should buy me a plane ticket if intl travel is ever a possibility again
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Jul 22, 2020 08:05
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they really should do hakuho vs hattorizakura on a jungyo show and take advantage of the probable best and worst rikishi ever to live being active at the same time while they can
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Jul 22, 2020 08:08
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Brut posted:I'm not sure when they were saying it, but he went from Ms27e with a 6-1 to Ms10w, and then got a 7-0 from there to get promoted up, looks like from that rank, they were right. The top of Makushita is pretty competitive and with the limited number of slots available in the paid ranks, Ms19 is actually quite far from Ms10, in comparison, a 7-0 from Sd100 or from Sd99 makes you skip the entire Sandanme division and end up in the bottom of Makushita. yeah i misunderstood. i erroneously thought that running the table at makushita got you promoted from outside the joi ranks no matter how low you were. from googling it seems like that's only true from MS15 and above. https://tachiai.org/2019/11/29/makushita-joi-for-hatsu/ quote:The more difficult one is to post a 7-0 record in the top 15 ranks of Makushita, as Terunofuji just did. The more conventional path is to have a winning record in the top 5 ranks (top 10 rikishi) in Makushita, which are referred to as the Makushita joi. Thauros fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 09:12
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https://tachiai.org/2020/07/25/abi-kyujo/ at first i thought he had covid but fortunately it's just for breaking quarantine procedures
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Jul 25, 2020 09:06
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still in the lead despite going with enho at m6 for my first pick in that tier even tho i knew that was kinda dumb
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Jul 27, 2020 22:45
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is there a way to look up a heya's roster on sumodb? the site seems to have everything else you'd possibly want other than that
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Jul 27, 2020 23:22
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drat, none of them returned to makuuchi afterwards and only one stuck around in juryo for an extended period
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Jul 27, 2020 23:28
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have there been any recent reports on tomokaze's condition and how much longer he'll be out? terunofuji's return made me think of him
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Jul 30, 2020 00:36
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https://twitter.com/tachiai_blog/status/1288660421944250368?s=20 daiesho gets the freebie and a kachikoshi. forgot until clicking the link that he also got the fusen win when kakuryu dropped out
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Jul 30, 2020 04:12
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it's the smart move i'm sure and i hope he can properly recover. gently caress tho, this made me go over his sumodb record and the only time he's managed double digit wins in 6 basho as an ozeki was this january when he didn't face any yokuzuna or other ozeki edit: also the day 13 torikumi is already up even tho day 12 hasn't occured yet for makuuchi and teronufuji vs. asanoyama is scheduled Thauros fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Jul 30, 2020 06:57
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i generally always watch kintamayama's streams when he's doing the full ones and natto when he''s not. catching the full broadcast on twitch as i'm up and it's cool to see some of the pageantry i miss like the procession and hakuho's etrance.Brut posted:
i never knew when exactly they updated it for the reason above though i know day 15 is usually delayed
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Jul 30, 2020 07:51
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i just noticed while watching the pre show analysis that Terunofuji's shikona is written with the katakana ノ for no. Same goes for Tochinoshin and Kotonowaka upon further resarch. wonder why? would've thought the hiragana の would've been more likely. also i'm very thankful for the furigana so i can actually read the shikona on screen
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Jul 30, 2020 08:08
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just hit me that i've followed sumo since the july 2018 basho and i've seen more m17s win yusho than ozeki.
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Jul 31, 2020 04:44
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was hoping to watch a wrestling that started in wakayama 36 minutes ago, but the stream won't work for me. guess i can at least watch the senshuraku live instead
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Aug 2, 2020 07:38
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when i started the stream shohozan vs ichinojo had just started. i was really confused why that was before the juryo plaoffs but apparently ichinojo could've made that playoff if he would've won so it makes sense. how would a 7 way playoff had worked anyway?
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Aug 2, 2020 08:11
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has anyone ever made it back up to ozeki the hard way after failing to get 10 wins in that first basho as a sekiwake? it's obviously still early and health is always going to be a concern but has to be considered a valid possibility. very fun basho and the guys i picked doing well with the exception of enhou was a bonus.
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Aug 2, 2020 20:06
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Chinook posted:Is there any way to watch all of this tournament, in relative order? I read the OP, I saw Thauros post somewhere about sumo and from the posts on this page maybe this would be a good time to check it out. if you want to watch all the pre match set up stuff and assorted pageantry the twitch channel i was using to watch live has replays available https://twitch.tv/mbovosumo
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i'm able to watch abema now, i assume they just air lower divisions?
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Chinook posted:I’m watching some of these and HOO BOY that’s a lot of really long names that I’m going to have trouble keeping straight. And their dress and hairstyles being similar doesn’t help things much. most of the japanese guys also adopt ring names known as shikona that wouldn't be used by normal people. while the latter is also used in many japanese family names the reason you see a lot of zans and yamas for example is that both mean "mountain" and are written with the kanji 山. certain heya/stables have specific traditions like all of the Koto* guys who are teammates. there are exceptions like enho, endo, and ishiura who all just use their birth name. and yeah, when i first started following it a couple years ago they almost all just seemed like interchangeable large men (esp as enhou wasn't in makuuchi yet) at first. give it a shot tho and you'll quickly hone in on a couple guys who stick out for various reasons. english commentary does help for understanding style and tactics a bit. Thauros fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Sub Rosa posted:I thought you couldn't lose Yokuzuna? But I guess still you mean they would be forced to retire? yeah, if a yokuzuna clearly can't perform up to the standards of the rank 'll be basically forced to retire. this happened to kisenosato last year. same goes if a sufficiently serious scandal occurs like with Harumafuji, Asashōryū,and back in the '80s Futahaguro(if you're a pro wresting fan you may know him better as koji kitao!). i've heard 10 wins referred to as an informal "yokozuna kachikoshi" as the basic line they're expected to stay at. there's a board called the yokuzuna deliberation council which is a different group of old guys than the nsk elders. they decide the fates of yokuzuna in these siutations in addition to promotions to the rank. instead of ex rikishi its comprised of various prominent writers, lawyers, businessmen, etc.... Thauros fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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Aug 4, 2020 13:52
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are there any punishments in sumo in between "stern warning" and "your career's over"? as a fairly new fan i'm legit unsure. he hosed up and a punishment's warranted but it sucks that it has to be this extreme instead of being suspended for a couple basho or something.
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was trying to remember where i knew that name and didn't realize that's the hattorizakura stable until i looked them up.quote:All members of Shikihide stable have to complete their high school education, and Shikihide has also introduced yoga to his wrestlers after they have finished training for the day.[3] The stable is known for its "open door" policy, allowing anyone who can meet the entry requirements to join regardless of ability. It has several relatively small wrestlers such as Omote weighing only 67 kg (148 lb) and Baraki just 167 cm (5 ft 5 1⁄2 in) tall, and 14 of its 18 wrestlers have yet to make it past the bottom two divisions of jonokuchi and jonidan
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Aug 5, 2020 01:49
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ok, my thought before this was “drat can’t they just suspend him for a basho or two?” feel less sympathy now
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Aug 5, 2020 14:50
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i didn’t know the rest of the banzuke besides the juryo/makushita exchanges were decided that far in advance of the public unveiling. guess it makes sense if they want the physical official banzuke in the elaborate calligraphy
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i'm someone who sometimes prefers japanese commentary for pro wrestling but the english commentary for sumo is generally really useful esp for newcomers
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oh wow, i assumed there was no way he wouldn't be done. seems pretty fair. on the subject of young, lower ranking rikishi running away, i was just reading about "banzuke-gai" a few days ago. if you look at the full banzuke on sumo db there's a list of guys classified as such under jonokuchi. these are guys who have completely dropped off the banzuke due to going 0-0-7 from jonokuchi, like if hattorizakura went kyujo for the next basho. that i already knew, but i didn't realize sthat the reason why some guys have been on it for years isn't due to serious injury. these are guys who generally ran away and the oyakata doesn't want to hand in their papers in case they decide to return. 
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