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tweet my meat posted:Hi, I'm bi and I love watching anime and smoking weed. Prunus was a pretty great read but honestly I don't read a ton of lgbtq stuff, I really should branch out. Is there much out there featuring decent gay characters that isn't necessarily focused on romance? I kinda prefer action or horror stories. akanesasu shoujo is more of a comedy-mystery with occasional, not very impressive action but its cool flipflappers has a very explicit romance between the two leads and deals with the idea a fair bit and while i wouldnt say action is a focus, its got some tiger and bunny is a buddy superhero comedy that isnt *explicit* about the two male leads being a thing sadly but there's a ton of emphasis placed on their relationship, you can read it that way, there's nothing that ever contradicts it, and the creators have said that's a totally valid read that they fully support. up to you if it counts or not, i know some people are really into it so I figured I'd mention it, especially since it's one of the more like, straightforward action/mystery type shows I can think of that also have that as a element. It's also got a nonbinary side character who's handled... okaaay? it's clear the show doesn't quite know what they actually mean them to be (there's points where they come across as a gay dude, a transwoman, or a nonbinary person) and they don't get a ton of plot focus but they're treated pretty decently, no recurring gay panic jokes or anything. not gonna win any awards but it's not bad and I could see people getting something out of it despite the flaws. ive heard the writing with that character improves in the sequel movie but i haven't watched it. nabari no ou is an action shonen manga with a major nonbinary character, though the anime adaptation is pretty bad and unfinished so I'd only rec it if you're up for reading the manga.
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esselfortium posted:i want to catch up on watamote because i'm interested in getting to the parts where she actually makes friends, but every time i try i see there's like 9999999999 chapters remaining until then and i give up
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Feb 4, 2020 00:33
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lunar detritus posted:I'm not sure if I should ask here or in the shoujo thread but any recommendations for completed manga with a trans main character (or at least part of the main "group" if that applies) that's not overly tragic or sad?
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Feb 4, 2020 06:08
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iospace posted:I was glad when that went on mangadex
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Feb 4, 2020 06:39
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skaianDestiny posted:How's Bloom Into You by the way? Love the older lesbian couple, though.
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Feb 5, 2020 01:55
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*nodding* kirika and shirabe
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Feb 5, 2020 06:42
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The Colonel posted:i hope wild arms 6 has kirika and shirabe in it
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Feb 5, 2020 10:03
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:unfortunately I don't think there are any LGB characters in Fate though, unless you play the female protag. Rin and Artoria are both presented as bi in the original F/SN VN and that's carried forward, Medusa's presented as bi in F/HA, Gilgamesh and Enkidu's deal is clearly at least romantic in nature imo, there's a lot of 'the only person that truly mattered' type talk with them, and Enkidu's a lot of things but 'definitively a woman' isn't out of them, Iskander outright references past male lovers of his, Nero refers to herself as bi at several points in Fate/Extra, Tamamo says the same thing, Anne & Mary are explicitly a couple, Nobunaga refers to the historical Nobunaga's wives as just, her wives, with no attempt to backfill like there was with Artoria and Guinevere, Astolfo is Astolfo, Lu Bu has some dialogue that implies an attraction to Chen Gong in Fate/Extella and Chen Gong has the same, Jeanne Alter has the bit in her event where she specifically makes Brynhildr one of her romantic interests in the weird meta dating sim thing going on, and later she has dialogue to that effect in Summer 3, Brynhildr's Noble Phantasm is effective against people she's attracted to and, well, there's girls in the striking distance, Medb has several instances where she says she's attracted to Skadi/Scathach, Shuten and Ibaraki are oni-married, Musashi is just outright bi and also references this at several points and has lines where she expresses attraction to both men and women, Osakabe owns both a Musashi and Siegfried hugpillow, Black Bart also just says he's up for whoever. That's just servants who're in FGO also (well, and Rin) there's way more if we're going with non-Servant characters. Even more if we're counting Tsukihime and other non-Fate stuff that's in the same Universe. It's not the most amazing representation ever (note that 99% of these are bi (note that carmilla isn't on this list despite being famously associated with lesbians, though part of that is just Carmilla having barely any content in FGO)) but it's cool, imo. And also it may be problematic but the joke of Musashi dualwielding because she's bi and 'two sword style' is Japanese slang for being bi, is really funny. Endorph fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Feb 5, 2020 14:59
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Eh, it varies. Da Vinci has ups and downs as a character, but taken as a whole I'm glad she exists. It's not really about points imo, I don't really care about declaring typemoon woke, more just whether or not its something with enough there that someone could get something out of it.
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Feb 5, 2020 15:11
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Sharkopath posted:Diebuster is my favorite romance but isn't explicit, but theres so much substance in it that if you choose to read it as not a romance I'll laugh at you.
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Feb 5, 2020 15:19
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:I wasn't aware of 95% of that, and I'm really excited to find out that there's so much more representation than I thought! I definitely knew and forgot about Musashi, and I think it just never registered with me that Artoria is bi when reading FSN. To be fair a good chunk of that seems like you'd need to read/play the supporting materials to ever know about Some of it though, yeah. Still it's pretty clearly a franchise thats not really hung up on straightness, which is cool. As silly as it might seem (and not quite related since its from the Tsukihime branch of the franchse) the random line Akiha has in Kagetsu Tohya where she just casually drops that she's attracted to a classmate was pretty revelatory for a younger Endorph, lol.
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Feb 5, 2020 15:27
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Hungry posted:I enjoy a lot of stuff that isn't explicitly "we are scissoring off screen 24/7" but is still obviously lesbian coded. I hate that term, is there a better one?
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Feb 5, 2020 15:28
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Xun posted:Wait when does FGO Nobunaga talk about her (maybe their for avenger nobu?) wives?
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Feb 5, 2020 23:18
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DisDisDis posted:just say lesbian but be prepared for progressive straight guys to launch into passionate explanations of the many multi-faceted meanings of "daisuki" when you do
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Feb 5, 2020 23:23
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yea. it becomes less about reading poo poo by gay/transpeople or stuff that seems to take them at least kind of seriously and more about telling giant corporations what boxes to tick.
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Feb 5, 2020 23:36
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah. For better or worse most of the stuff brought up in this thread is the product of an author who put their own thoughts in the story rather than a corporation trying to check boxes. Like even if Fate is a huge franchise now the original game was made independently by a roleplaying DM and his artist friend who was convinced he was the best writer ever yeah. and even if fgo is huge now its clear the writers get to do whatever they want, since fate is still an ip thats owned by type moon, which is still a small company founded by a writer and an artist. furthermore its not like they really put any effort into like, promoting this stuff as woke representation the way Marvel teases that maybe the next thor movie will finally have a gay dude in it. It's just in the game. and its clear its something nasu is just legitimately interested in since Kara no Kyoukai, as mentioned, deals with this stuff (even if in a stumbling, kind of odd way) and he wrote that in literal high school. And for all of KnK's faults I know at least three people who realized they were nonbinary because of it, so. Yet another example of 'its more about an earnest attempt to engage than checking off boxes' because Kara no Kyoukai literally has a random guy go insane and dress up as Ryougi and go on a murder spree, it seems to literally think of Ryougi's male and female halves as two separate identities, and it's REALLY hung up on the idea that wearing a coat is the most hosed up thing someone assigned female at birth could possibly do and must mean Ryougi is impossible to understand. And people still get a lot out of it.
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Feb 6, 2020 00:32
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it's not really related but I love the scene where Kokutou goes on a five minute rant about drugs that is just, completely wrong on every level, and when asked about this Nasu just went 'As a college student, I assumed that Kokutou would know a lot about drugs that are used in the nightclub scene. I, the author, did not know a lot about the nightclub scene."
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Feb 6, 2020 00:33
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nasu spent all day watching utena and playing dungeons and dragons, you cant expect him to have been to hip 90s japanese parties.
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DisDisDis posted:All of this is why it's the best nb rep in anime though.
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depends what you mean by 'incidentally.' like if the character's arc deals with it but the broader story is about other stuff, does that count? like nabari no ou has a nb character and they talk about their gender issues as a character point for them but its a ninja action mystery manga, they arent really defined by it its just a focus of their backstory. regardless the fact that yuri/bl are defined genres means that there's a lot of good content but also means that sometimes stuff in those fields tends to get pigeon holed into the tropes of that 'genre.' that being said, harukana receive is a fun sports anime that also just has one of the characters talk about her ex-girlfriend and makes said ex a major character, and they literally use the term 'ex-girlfriend.' there's some fanservice since it's about beach volleyball so naturally everyone's in swimsuits 90% of the show but it never felt that out of line, and the sports narrative itself is pretty good, though since its only 12/13 eps it pretty obviously ends halfway through the story of the manga. there's a good character arc climax but still, here's hoping for a s2. kino no tabi (2003) leans pretty heavily into the protagonist being nb but it isn't really the focus of their individual adventures, just the backstory ep they get towards the end of the series and a few lines here or there, since its episodic some of the individual stories also deal a bit with gender roles but not really in an overarching theme way. it's mostly an adaptation choice tho, the original LNs and the more recent series don't have that same angle, or at least don't push it as hard. promare is an action mecha movie that's mostly about rebelling against power structures, that pretty heavily implies the two leads are gay for each other (and the creators are all in on supporting that take given interviews and artbooks and such) but it doesn't quuuite get there in terms of making it literally undeniably explicit. I don't care about that but some people do. Endorph fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Feb 15, 2020 11:18
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also yeah the touhou mangas are pretty good for this because most of the cast is pretty obviously lesbian and there's a general atmosphere of Girls looking out for Girls. Gensokyo in general is a pretty queer-coded setting considering the whole 'hidden from the outside world, everyone argues about petty poo poo but they mean well for each other, general positive vibes' etc. And Miko is explicitly a trans character, so if you're really hardline about stuff being explicit there's that. Though iunno if there's a manga she pops up in much.
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Feb 15, 2020 11:20
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:I really hope they get to redo it sometime and make the relationship more explicit (not explicit-as-smut but rather explicit-as-acknowledged)
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Feb 28, 2020 17:04
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If we made art more boring homophobes and idiots would still deny stuff is real. If you showed the kiss onscreen theyd talk about how it was a moment of pure passion, if you made them say they love each other theyd say it was meant platonically, if you literally showed them getting married theyd say it was a fantasy sequence because gay marriage isnt legal in japan So just let directors and stuff do what they want lol
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Feb 28, 2020 17:06
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Naoko yamada i think
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Feb 28, 2020 22:56
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How often do people buying engagement rings go 'this is an engagement ring that i have bought because I am romantically attracted to you'
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Feb 29, 2020 07:01
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:How often do they go 'this is a good luck charm'? It's being argued over because the need people have to argue down things that are very obviously queer that they like sucks. You are the person forcing ambiguity into this, not the show. starting from a baseline of 'how can this be proven to be gay?' is a trap forced on you by the heterosexuals. Endorph fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Feb 29, 2020 |
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Feb 29, 2020 12:20
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you may reply that other gay people also think its ambiguous, but gay people are notoriously bad at understanding media, due to the shackles forced on them by the hets, who are even worse at it. only by accepting that kannazuki no miko is a good anime can we be free. god bless the usa.
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Feb 29, 2020 12:25
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Darth Walrus posted:Near as I can tell, it's not that they think it's ambiguous that it happened, it's that an obvious gay relationship had this annoying obfuscation over it, because that happens way too often to gay relationships in media in general and anime in particular. Yes, heterosexual romances can be subtle and indirect, but it can feel like gay romances can't be anything but. It's the difference between 'every gay relationship in anime should be more open and explicit' and 'there should be more open, explicit gay relationships in anime'. Not every gay romance has to be like the climax of REDLINE, but there's room out there for ones that are.
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Feb 29, 2020 17:24
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Except people aren't??? Idk why you guys are so upset that people see things differently than you :/ because ive had to navigate this kind of pedantry for literally every gay romance anime ever made
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Feb 29, 2020 18:01
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Syenite posted:On the one hand corporations deliberately coding in enough cues to get The Gays interested but not so many that the straights catch it is hosed up & exploitative on a metatextual level, but on the other, folks being negative to other folks for taking something or another out of said products is not cool and also about 75% of Tumblr "discourse".
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Feb 29, 2020 22:23
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RottenK posted:what does coding mean ofc as time's gone on its lost basically all meaning
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Feb 29, 2020 23:41
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comparatively speaking (esp. in the 90s) anime and such is way more comfortable with gender blurring/ambiguity so when you get an ambigulously gay villain he's usually up against characters that aren't hypermasculinized as contrast there's the occasional exception like a couple hokuto no ken villains and such but compare, say, dio vamping around the screen or all the pretty boys in part 4 of jojo's. yeah they've got some elemetns of it but design wise they have the same beautiful muscle god aesthetic as the protagonists, and its not like the protagonists are immune to homoerotic moments.
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Mar 1, 2020 22:30
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tbh the last time i can remember that trope being even semi-common was like, the early 2000s.
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Mar 1, 2020 23:10
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Miuras only doing storyboards for it, its mostly being done by his assistants. Its basically something that exists so his assistants can have more work and hes only involved enough to justify getting an author credit.
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Mar 4, 2020 23:15
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renessia posted:hi! i'm a lady gay and y'all are my people. thank you
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Mar 31, 2020 03:45
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it's an extremely good manga and i enjoy it a lot, yeah
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Mar 31, 2020 03:54
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renessia posted:it's certainly one of the few that I get really, really excited to see updates for. i'm very grateful to the scanlators for working as hard on it as they are! 
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Mar 31, 2020 04:03
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i do editing but i passed the thanks along to the lead translator also yeah its an extremely good chapter, also i love komari
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Mar 31, 2020 04:16
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run away with me girl is finished in japan and we're making good progress on it at least, and its not 70 chapters or anything, so you shouldn't have to wait too long
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You do realize the basic psychology of saying that making people more likely to read the comments, right
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