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The thing about the moderator part of this is that you shouldn't need any specific argument or justification to de-mod someone (though there is one in this case). If most people on a forum don't like the person modding them, that is enough to replace them. It isn't the same as a punishment like banning someone or whatever - it's just removing authority that they have in excess of other users. In a situation like this, the burden should be on the mods to explain why C-SPAM shouldn't be made a top level subforum, or why PPJ/logik shouldn't be de-modded.
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Main Paineframe posted:if the last couple weeks have shown anything, it's that no one will actually be happy with this unless it results in the admins saying "you're right, sorry, we were wrong about everything" Yes, plenty of people have come by to drop their explanations and justifications. And then leave again. And plenty of people have responded to those explanations and justifications and been ignored. And plenty of other people have ignored those explanations and justifications because screaming into the wind somehow feels more useful and satisfying, I guess. And plenty of other people have used this as an opportunity to start some goddamn fires. At no point has the sort of actual conversation that needs to happen, happened. Where people talk to, rather than at, each other, and where people get over their bullshit and find a way to make this work. (And that can't be one-sided; we've all got bullshit to get over at this point.)
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we only ask that calinbabel be made mod fo D&D. please. for the people
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Honey Trap Queen posted:More like TGRS has a mod that advocates for her posters That sounds horrible. Homeless Friend posted:we only ask that calinbabel be made mod fo D&D. please. for the people More people are saying this
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Grapplejack posted:You'd have to ask Jeffrey since he has SA code access right now and it has to be done in the CSS, for some reason. lmao god loving drat radium
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If we had PPJ Blascowitz on the case, why did it take so long to ban them/why did their posts have to be pointed out in painstaking detail by a CIVILIAN USER? Did you guys forget to send him ammo packs or something
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 22:49 |
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*checks qcs* no posts in almost a month, forums must be running so smoothly.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 22:50 |
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Honey Trap Queen posted:More like TGRS has a mod that advocates for her posters This is it, yes. Our mods have consistently shown that they won't do poo poo for this community.
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Solid Poopsnake posted:Let's assume this is correct and PPJ is innocent and we're all just being hysterical. Why can't C-SPAM simply be made a top-level forum? That solves the problem just as easily from a mechanical standpoint. What's the specific reason? yeah i'd be fine with this. granted after the discovery of the load-bearing slur i would not be surprised if doing so explodes the server
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 22:50 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yeah i'd be fine with this. granted after the discovery of the load-bearing slur i would not be surprised if doing so explodes the server wait was there seriously a load-bearing slur? I assumed that was just a joke
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 22:51 |
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Main Paineframe posted:if the last couple weeks have shown anything, it's that no one will actually be happy with this unless it results in the admins saying "you're right, sorry, we were wrong about everything" The only "arguments" defending PPJ are that he helped in a suicide scare, tracked some bad goons, and is nice on discord. The only "arguments" I've seen about dickeye and crazy cloud are that they're annoying and not worth the hassle. I've never seen an "argument" for not making C-SPAM top level. I've never seen an explanation for the turnaround on dickeye's probation, unprobation, and ultimate banning, other than a single post mea culpa. The only explanation for Nichael not being modded is that he probated a user by request who was subsequently banned. Even if it doesn't seem like it to decorous D&D posters and SA moderators, I don't think most people here want to fight or get off on it. I think people are sad that lovely things happened to posters they like, and they're confused about how and why things went down, and, because moderator responses have been hamfisted at best, things keep getting worse. I truly, sincerely hope that things reach homeostasis again. But don't blame the broad userbase for reeling after being shaken.
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/247222360309121024?s=20
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ok forget PPJ So why can't we have our own mods and IKs? Why can't we be made top level? Why is retaliation being made against people who are raising concerns?
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Oh, a reminder since I saw it in passing in one of the now-gassed threads, BENGHAZI 2 prefers not to be called Dickeye these days, apparently.
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Bushido Brown posted:The only "arguments" defending PPJ are that he helped in a suicide scare, tracked some bad goons, and is nice on discord. I would honestly like to go back to reading my funny internet book that people post in, but it's been severely disrupted by the actions of the mod and admin teams in the past 2-3 months.
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it's plain that the mod team is approaching all this as a siege against them and are responding with solidarity. that was the point of the stickied announcement—we as mods collectively are all sticking together, no we're not going to reconsider any of our actions, yes you can have a name change as a sop the name change is a great punchline
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Grapplejack posted:And yet they were more than happy to go into TGRS and talk to them, repeatedly, including several admins when asked. yeah it’s loving crazy how over there, mods and admins actually answer their questions and don’t gas and lock the thread repeatedly and ban all the vocal posters. and they’re not furious? weird. get ready for another pronouncement, and more gassed threads and banned posters. surely this time that’ll fix things!
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I honestly don't care about C-SPAM being or not being a top-level forum. I'm way more fired up about the permabans and the way that response was handled.
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Are CSPAM IKs seriously not allowed to 6er assholes when they feel like it? When did that rule change?
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the hilarious thing being that something as simple as "oops I was heated and hosed up, I'll be better about using my buttons when pissed" would have fixed this but no gotta have testimony on character as proof that surely this paragon of moderation could never ever make a mistake lol
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 22:54 |
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docbeard posted:wait was there seriously a load-bearing slur? I assumed that was just a joke yes, for some reason when viewing the ban page as a logged-out user it addressed you as "UNREGISTERED F-SLUR." when this was removed, users that were logged out could no longer log back in for a day
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i think the correct answer is that the admins do not believe PPJ has done anything deserving of removing moderating powers other than telling him to ignore CSPAM. somewhat similar to when FAU didn't remove my IK buttons after the perma incident and instead sent a reprimand via PM. and then i lost the buttons a month later anyway for unknown reasons In that case the obvious alternative solution is to make C-SPAM a top-level forum, since as long as C-SPAM is a subforum for D&D he effectively retains those powers and there will always be distrust. And like I said, your framing doesn't make sense - the logic shouldn't be "this person should be a mod unless other mods agree they deserved to be de-modded." Simply having more users wanting them to step down than feel otherwise should suffice. It's not like they were born a mod and being de-modded is a punishment that must be justified. "People don't want this person to be a mod" is reason enough.
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docbeard posted:wait was there seriously a load-bearing slur? I assumed that was just a joke Yeah the paywall checked if you were an "unregistered <f-slur>" and changing the slur broke things lmao
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Bushido Brown posted:The only "arguments" defending PPJ are that he helped in a suicide scare, tracked some bad goons, and is nice on discord.
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If the issue is that folks are afraid of just being swamped I'm sure a lot of us would be more than happy to delegate to a few posters in an open, public conversation.
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Even DnD got pissed with PPJ
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Phi230 posted:ok forget PPJ
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docbeard posted:wait was there seriously a load-bearing slur? I assumed that was just a joke This came up in one of the other threads but allegedly there's still code returning an error of "you are a f****t" and no one knows what causes it.
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imperialist forums are mobilizing against the praxis of good
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Space Skeleton posted:Too bad there is no way to stop everyone from getting worked up into an unruly mob about no one saying anything substantial. Valleyant posted:I would honestly like to go back to reading my funny internet book that people post in, but it's been severely disrupted by the actions of the mod and admin teams in the past 2-3 months.
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Oh Snapple! posted:If the issue is that folks are afraid of just being swamped I'm sure a lot of us would be more than happy to delegate to a few posters in an open, public conversation.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yes, for some reason when viewing the ban page as a logged-out user it addressed you as "UNREGISTERED F-SLUR." when this was removed, users that were logged out could no longer log back in for a day gently caress me, it's a wonder that nothing's actually on fire, I guess
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Oh Snapple! posted:If the issue is that folks are afraid of just being swamped I'm sure a lot of us would be more than happy to delegate to a few posters in an open, public conversation. Benghazi 2 took the lead on that in the truth and reconciliation thread. that’s why she got permabanned. dissent is not tolerated, at all. lobotomy molo fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Phi230 posted:Even DnD got pissed with PPJ yea, this is the thing. if the subforum you're modding doesn't trust you to do your job then you shouldn't mod that subforum, especially not one supposedly dedicated to debate if ppj needs buttons that desperately you can always move him to some other subforum where his saint-like qualities can come in handy
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:the hilarious thing being that something as simple as "oops I was heated and hosed up, I'll be better about using my buttons when pissed" would have fixed this but no gotta have testimony on character as proof that surely this paragon of moderation could never ever make a mistake
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I can't wait for jeffrey to post. Do you think he got his mattress out of the pool yet
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Hopkins FBI posted:PPJ Blazkowicz Hi I just want to say that I found this extremely funny, and it continues to be funny even assuming PPJ is doing that stuff, which I have no reason to doubt since I trust Koala's March on that. Still funny, on this comedy forum. Oh Snapple! posted:If the issue is that folks are afraid of just being swamped I'm sure a lot of us would be more than happy to delegate to a few posters in an open, public conversation. Just have Wampa talk to them, he actually looks like he represents the posters here and he's already IK so he's in a better position to talk about it Send Nichaels too
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 22:59 |
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At least this one hasn't immediately been gassed. That's either progress or Reene is on lunch or something.
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Zoran posted:it's plain that the mod team is approaching all this as a siege against them and are responding with solidarity. that was the point of the stickied announcement—we as mods collectively are all sticking together, no we're not going to reconsider any of our actions, yes you can have a name change as a sop
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This song goes out to everyone's* favorite mod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GbAUiTzLIU
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