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mystic pimp posted:can the mods meet us in the middle and give d&d the subtitle "brazil has all the good shooting videos now" at least and not in 6 months when it wont be funny anymore either
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if you're not going to do something about the nazi friend mod at this point, just close down cspam and take down your announcements because why even bother having a left forum or pretending you give a gently caress about bigotry if you're going to circle the wagons this hard the nordvpn announcement can stay, i guess
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:hmm this seems bad. maybe the mods should look into this it's a big misunderstanding, PPJ can stay as long as he's funny
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Jan 8, 2020 03:24
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gonna lol if ppj has the big doxx folder as blackmail to keep his blue star
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i can't wait to find out what happens tomorrow on "c-spam struggles for forums respectability" one of the new admins is sebastian gorka?
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Jan 8, 2020 03:33
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would probably work better with nein in the last panel
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mystic pimp posted:i got my nazi hunter starting pack right here, i got my uh, interracial porn, my brazilian gore liveleak videos, my moderator star, i think im ready to go
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Jan 8, 2020 03:36
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look, whatever mod or admin is lurking right now i don't need some big response or explanation, but can you just quote one of these really funny ppj jokes and gimme a "lmao" or a "lol" it's a step towards engaging with the community but not in the sharing murder porn and also literal porn with nazis way
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Jan 8, 2020 03:43
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:just waiting for everyone to quote that post so they can hit everyone itt for “posting a bad pic” lol oh please do this just rip the loving mask off already
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Jan 8, 2020 03:51
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Ayn Randi posted:been-nazi ain't goin away!
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John Charity Spring posted:Traditionalist Workers Party Plane Jones can one of the good mods or IKs change the title of this thread
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Jan 8, 2020 03:53
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:This really has to be the nadir of moderation on this forum, and I've been posting here for almost 16 years just wait until next week, poo poo is gonna be wild
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Jan 8, 2020 03:54
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Majorian posted:Yeah, at this point I find it fascinating on a purely academic level. How much more can a few bad bad mod decisions snowball? the ray parlour is an israeli gun smuggling ring the mod of coupons is arranging evidence of price fixing against amazon and other companies a big hollywood producer rewrites films solely to get a better review in the film dump sky's the loving limit here
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A big flaming stink posted:athanatos is actually bill belicheck and he organized spygate from the servers still more ethical than PPJ going nativist
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Valleyant posted:why did he join as himself, if this was some great op why didn't he make a new account hell, if the admins are in on it, grab an old account that hasn't been logged into in years
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Serious posting time. I don't see how he had to remain a mod to do any of that. If anything, getting demodded by the evil trans and leftist posters would have given him more credibility. Keeping him as a mod means that he has access to powers a normal user shouldn't, which is very very very bad if he is taskable by the Nazis. At the same time, you don't know who Jones is talking to outside of what he's given you. You have no way of knowing how much of that data or those threats are legitimate without something external confirming it. Why go through the trouble of actually doing something if you can have the mole pass a threat, knowing you'll take it super seriously? At that point, the Nazis don't have to ever do anything and get the exact same results with less risk, while further ingratiating their mole to you all. Counterintelligence poo poo is complicated, which is every single resource on "Hey, I think a spy is trying to get something out of me" has "DO NOT TRY TO COUNTERINTELLIGENCE THEM, CALL THE loving FEDS" as the first bullet. If all of this is one hundred percent true, then it's still been exposed because he had to be recognizable there, and now you've lost sources and methods, which is your current problem and concern. If it's all bullshit, how much has he gotten on goons and passed to the Nazis? What has he gotten out of you by virtue of being your "guy on the inside"? These are questions that don't necessarily need a public response, but they do need some thought because once again, this is complicated poo poo that shouldn't be entered into willy nilly.
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i want to seriouspost some more but right now i'm just angry angry about spycraft
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seriously, anyone want some more effort on why this was bad
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Remember when I said that the first thing anyone says if you get approached by a spy is "CALL THE loving FEDS, DON'T DO ANYTHING"? There's a few reasons for that. 1. You are likely not trained in counterintelligence. They are. The person trying to get information out of you is trained to get information out of people while keeping theirs. You are likely not trained in how to see that coming, let alone get information out of them. This means that they are a few chess moves ahead of you while you're sitting there trying to figure out whether you want to be the red or black checkers. You're already at a disadvantage. 2. The fact that you're talking to them is enough for them to work with. If you decide that you're smart enough to go ahead and play along or feed them bad information, they already have some record of you chatting with the spy. Now they can use that as leverage to get you to actually provide information, since you're basically compromised at this point and can lose your job or position. At that point, they don't even have to try and bribe you or appeal to your ego/ideology/hatred for your country. 3. You have no leverage to make them go away, except by calling the cops before it even starts. Seriously. If you're willing to play ball, they will continue playing ball and tugging until you're no longer useful. If you start out giving them things and then go "oh god, maybe I don't want to be a spy any more", congratulations, you're still guilty of espionage for everything you've already done. They can use that to keep you in the game. 4. A lot of espionage starts out as you having a friend to exploit the fact that you're friends. Seriously. It's not some super attractive person with a hint of an accent sliding up to you in a bar and asking what you do for a living. It's a friend of a friend who eventually asks if you want to earn some extra money or do them a solid. There's a decent chance you don't know who they're working for and you might not ever find out because you don't need to know. All they want is your information. 5. You don't have the resources, expertise, or connections to solve this on your own. You are one person. Maybe you're smart, maybe you just have some connection to something someone wants. All of your internet detective-ing isn't going to suss out who wants your information, who the person you're talking to is, or what their overall goal is. Say what you want about spooks, they have a lot of money and resources to throw at problems, whether those problems are "I want this guy's information" or "I want to know who wants this guy's information". You don't. So, there's a few basic things. Now, with that in mind, let's look at this 'operation'. 1. We used a goon. Goon project jokes aside, the unifying factor among all of us is "We paid $10". How much loyalty does $10 get you? Sure, a bunch of us are friends, but that means absolutely gently caress all. One of the reasons you use spooks for this sort of thing is that spooks, usually, have some sort of higher loyalty that keeps them grounded during all of this. There isn't a loving person on these forums I'd trust to infiltrate Nazis, not because I think you're all secretly Nazis, but because there's a special combination of "I can blend into this community" and "I know they're not a Nazi or going to become one" and $10 isn't enough to make me trust any of you with that. Sorry. If the admins wanted something like this, they should have hired some outside help. If PPJ volunteered for this, all bets are off because see the above bullet points. Instead of the spy wanting something from you, now the spy is offering you information. Same rules apply. 2. PPJ used his own account, as a moderator, to infiltrate this group. This is bad from the get-go. If he's not compromised (i.e, an actual Nazi) from the get-go, they're probably going to want him to prove his loyalty. If you don't have moderator powers, this could be anything from "get information" to "help harass this person". If you do have moderator buttons, the sky's the loving limit. Probe posters, ban posters, leak the mod forum, all of it. If he wasn't compromised but wants to keep in the good graces of the people he's dealing with, he'd probably have to do some shady questionable poo poo with his buttons. At that point, he's susceptible to blackmail. See above. 3. PPJ used his position in the group to warn people of Nazi action. If PPJ is compromised, he can feed any amount of 'bad' information to the mods and have them react. At that point, they don't have to actually do anything, just task PPJ to rile up the goons every once in a while for the lulz. If PPJ isn't compromised, they can start leaking specific plans, often to specific people, to see what gets passed on and how the targets react. If they find out that KM goes dark every time there's a threat and PPJ is in the chat, there's your smoking gun. At that point, even if he's not compromised, he's under suspicion and they can start feeding him bad information. Once again, you're dealing with professionals. 4. There is no way of knowing PPJ's loyalties. See the previous #1, but this boils down to "You know PPJ is a member of X and Y. You cannot say for certain that he is not a member of Z, which is even worse than X and Y put together." If PPJ was compromised at any point, guess what? Your entire plan is now turned on its head and he's spying on you. 5. The admins decided to keep this hush-hush. This one is actually understandable, because you want to protect your sources and methods, i.e, we have a mole or several in Nazi Discords. The problem with this is that if your mole is particularly hated and has a visible position under his own name on the forums, people are going to do some digging because they want to bring down the bad guy. Now your entire plan is revealed to everybody because he had to operate under his own name. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, with all of that, I'm going to say that this was loving irresponsible, stupid, and dangerous. Spies use fake names and documents all the time, you have access to the literal databases where you could make a fake account and start seeding it with posts, why would you use a moderator that people vocally dislike? gently caress, make a new mod in Private Game Servers if them having access to the mod forum for leaks is important for clarity. If they need to prove that they're a mod, make some fake accounts to post in your chosen forum so you can probate them with the secret Nazi phrase. If you're volunteering to spy for something, people should be really really suspicious of where your loyalties lie because you're already declaring "I want to betray someone's trust for my own gain". As I said before, it would be trivial to hand over fake information and create additional layers of security for Naziposting where Nazis could operate without being seen by the goon moles. It's dangerous to have someone in a position of authority doing this because we can't prove where anyone's loyalties lie and it just takes one request to use moderation powers for Nazi things to compromise someone for a long time. I'll take a few more questions if anyone has them.
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Endorph posted:question: is this irony it made me feel better to type out so maybe?
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Whitenoise Poster posted:I'm combining the big post about spy ops and the much smaller post joke about using the mafia games crew to do the job and it's giving me a really funny mental image. i used to play mafia 
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Jan 8, 2020 05:52
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Schnorkles posted:I mean if the plan is to unite the posting clans by doing something so outrageously stupid that we all could only stare in disbelief, congratulations to the something awful modding team.
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Jan 8, 2020 05:54
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Serf posted:president trump, my name is serf mcserfington. my webforum, something awful, cries out for freedom. please send the f-35s
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Endorph posted:why are we calling this an operation its one idiot sitting in a nazi discord and tugging his collar whenever a slightly too racist meme gets posted they're treating it like one no need to make big spycraft effort posts if the admins had just said "what the gently caress why is a mod hanging out in a nazi discord"
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