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Jesus Christ what the gently caressDammerung posted:Absolutely this. From the posts KM made on the subject, she genuinely thought he was selflessly trying to keep her safe while he was enabling and socializing with the people terrorizing her. She deserved better than PPJ's best. We all deserved better. I’m just waking up and I have like 20 minutes before work but I’m sorry, I was wrong, I didn’t know the extent of this and the screenshots are Bad. Horrifically bad I’m sorry CSPAM. this sucks
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:make the mod forum public, immediately This would be unwise. Besides, what you would find is that the mod forum is actually a bunch of ancient threads nobody uses and like two active ones, and one of those we post dogs in. Also re: KM, this is absolutely not her fault and you should blame me long before you blame her. I’m sorry.
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Missingnoleader posted:Went to sleep and woke up to all this. Just wow.  I have to go to work now so I can’t really respond to your questions anymore. I am sorry.
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Mekchu posted:I'm going to believe the posts LK, PPJ, KM, & Jeffrey all made about people knowing about this situation, as well as the PM from an admin saying that there were mods who knew about this thing (just not all of them), over the guy whose subforum got shut down for doxxing people over spaceship.jpgs I don’t think the vast majority of mods knew anything. Most of the mods are normal people whose brains are not politically broken and “discord Nazis” is a nonsense phrase to them. I had not seen the discords until now and only knew the broadest strokes.
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Zoracle Zed posted:It seems wild to me it's possible to be an internet moderator in 2k20 and not know about discord nazis I mean you can know that there are Discord Nazis without really knowing what that means, ya know? I think most people that even were aware were aware of it because PPJ would message them to warn them so and so user is a bad egg offsite. It wasn’t discussed in detail. That’s the context it was brought up to me in originally.
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Nix Panicus posted:Could you be a little more concrete about 'broadest strokes' here? Was it just 'PPJ monitors the offsites for nazi poo poo'? Because thats forgivable, although hindsight says maybe someone should have occasionally double checked, especially if PPJ was bringing in actionable intelligence on nazi activities Yes, that’s what I was of the understanding. He correctly pointed out some users in D&D who were poo poo off-site so it seemed to make sense and I didn’t ask questions because I too do not want to know more about Discord Nazis.
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I have a sadly tiny amount of time to respond right now at work but: right now things are basically in tatters. most of the non politics mods have no idea what’s happening. our three new D&D mods are also entirely in the dark so please don’t be mad at them. I can also say that re: the PPJ situation I’ve pretty much told y’all what I already know.
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dads friend steve posted:thanks for this. I definitely get how it’s easy to accept “this person sucks and is lovely in off-sites” and take them at their word, especially if it comes from a fellow mod. given how all this has shaken out, are you guys planning on reassessing how you accept this kind of info going forward? The stance historically was “we don’t care about off-site drama.” But after the Bobbie Wickam debacle we’ve been slowly considering whether that is wise in the age of Discord. In that context, having a mod volunteer to monitor the bad Discords and other people being like “yeah sounds cool dude” makes sense. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. Valleyant posted:Free the prisoners! Also thanks for actually apologizing for this mess. Also please send me an Advil, I laughed so hard last night that I am v sore I imagine you know this but just in case anyone is not aware I cannot change ban statuses or the position of a subforum.
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Schnorkles posted:Sure would be nice to have an admin or just anyone with some semblance of authority, really, that the forums could trust open a dialogue! I mean, to be fair to the admins, it’s also the middle of the work day in the US. I’m posting on my break because I hate myself.
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Inverse posted:So like what is even gonna be done about the evil discord now that we wasted 2 years and they only got stronger. Discord’s policy generally seems to be to ignore far right servers unless publicly pressed so it’s going to continue to be a breeding ground for fascism.
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Rubellavator posted:I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle between having a secret agent mod and just completely overlooking off site activity. Maybe if somebody presents proof or there are a lot of people to corroborate something, like there was with the weird furry vore discord guy. The problem with this from a policy perspective is two-fold. One is that we’re not just asking people to mod a dead comedy forum, we’re asking them to keep track of a bunch of petty off-site drama in case it morphs into literal Nazis or whatever. The other is the risk of evidence fabrication as far as photoshop and other manipulation goes.
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somebody asked me to clarify a previous post so I’ll say that when I said “we’re asking people to watch off site drama” I meant that we would be if we factored in off site drama into moderation significantly, not that we currently are doing so. my bad
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asecondduck posted:Wait I'm confused No. I’m saying that people have asked us to make moderation decisions based on off-site drama, and if we’re gonna do that, we’d have to track them, which is a monumental task and probably stupid idea. Hence why we have traditionally said “no” to off-site drama. mcclay posted:yeah lmao why the gently caress is PCOS_Bill walking free when we know hes Aran. Even if you can't perma him LK and others, at least fuckign chain probe his nazi rear end. who? I’m sorry I have been seeing this name and I honestly don’t know who this is.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:yo maybe i missed a very crucial detail but why does it necessarily imply that all mods would be expected to keep meticulous track of off-site drama? what makes that a foregone conclusion? They wouldn’t. I think I explained my point badly. I’m sorry I’m posting on a phone. Basically the point is that monitoring off sites is stupid and no one wants to do it.
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Nix Panicus posted:Much like the cops who monitor child pornography get frequent rotations and mandatory counseling, maybe the mods who look through nazi discords should have someone looking over their shoulder to make sure theyre ok Jesus Christ I wish I could unread this Inverse posted:Jones didn’t seem to mind. This ending seems to vindicate my point. DACK FAYDEN posted:PCOS Bill is re-permabanned now, thank god. Has been for 6+ months. For apparently totally different reasons despite PPJ knowing he was apparently the literal owner of SS all along? Something Sensitive? oh. those people. Freaking Crumbum posted:so is the fear that somebody would get a wild hair up their rear end about a posting enemy and create sufficiently convincing deep fakes that the mod team would end up banning an innocent person? I don’t think deep fake of photos is the fear, it’s that it’s very easy to fake chat logs. I’m not saying that fear should necessarily outweigh competing interests, just that it’s a real concern we ought to take seriously. Unoriginal Name posted:you know moderating the entire internet is impossible, right yes... I was trying to say that we can’t do that. 
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Rubellavator posted:You shouldn't have mods monitoring off sites. You probably also shouldn't just take one person's word for a thing. There is in fact offsite drama that you really shouldn't care about. When a whole community came to complain about a guy who repeatedly kept linking new posters to his weird furry vore discord, then the mod team needs to do something about that, rather than sit there and point to the "no offsite drama" sign. I agree! But it’s hard to put this kind of thing into a consistent policy. I think the situation with Bobbie Wickam was avoidable if the stance against off-site drama wasn’t so strict, but also we can’t deal with every Discord slapfight. I guess that’s the point I’m trying to make but being really lame about.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Wasn't the Bobbie Wickham thing that she was letting some guy go on and on about how sad it made him to be slam dunking his kids into walls every single day on the E/N forum, or was there some other offsite drama aspect to that I missed. Uh, before that. That was the avoidable one. Before that there was some drama about a bad Discord man being bad. I’m not trying to minimize it I just don’t know the details, but it wasn’t taken seriously precisely due to the tradition of studiously ignoring off-site drama.
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Oh Snapple! posted:I feel like there's an easily observable difference between offsite drama and offsite abuse that can be applied. Like most things that involve organizational policy, you would think this would be true, but what constitutes “abuse” is at issue. example: I would say that being cruel to overweight people is generally unnecessary and mean and abusive and we shouldn’t do it to our fellow posters. Many other people think it’s funny to do so, or that it’s some kind of public service to do so to make them lose weight. If I tried to ban GBS posters based on “no fatphobia” I bet they’d throw a goddamn hissy fit. see also pushback against “retard” as a slur/punishing for it.
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asecondduck posted:People who fatshame and use the r-slur don't deserve a platform in 2020. correct I’m just using it as an example of ethical dissonance. I think the fabgoons discord case was clear cut and we should’ve handled it better although I’m fairly sure it happened before my time. But most cases aren’t so obvious.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:are you saying you'd rather keep assholes around because it's inconvenient to ban them? that sounds like really bad logic but i'm not a mod what do i know As a general no I would very much do rather not. I think I’m explaining my idea poorly. example: there’s a poster who posts in GBS and CSPAM. In CSPAM they post “lol” and “trump” and draw no attention. In GBS they have lovely politics but it’s not abnormal for that subforum. Someone reports that they are in an off-site discord dedicated to mocking overweight people, ala the mock Reddits, where they are very cruel, but they don’t do it to other goons. based on this, I would say we should punish them for being poo poo on the forums. many people would disagree because historically something awful has not moderated for stuff like that. what is right?
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Kerning Chameleon posted:LK is easily the most insidious mod in this whole conspiracy. At least the silence of the others speaks honest volumes, LK is just straight up lying to provide cover for the rest of them. how’s that plan for human extinction coming along, kerning? I’m out of time people. I’ll be back tonight.
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Denizen_Cons posted:Do you feel like it may be a problem how little documentation is being done in regards to controversies, long probes, bans and permas? Because, and I'm not targeting you or sassing, but this feels like the 3rd or 4th specific situation where you've drawn a lesson from what happened but don't seem to have any grasp of the particulars of the situation are or were, just in this thread. I think there’s documentation, I just don’t know how to find it or have the energy to do so at the moment. I try to draw conclusions from history based on how much I know about it, which is why I have offered vague solutions and examples based on a story I’m only kind of familiar with. I am also open to the reality that I’m just a guy. lmao owned
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Wes Warhammer posted:Jeffrey does have a second account (just called Jeffrey), but it seems to just exist so nu-FYAD and now GBS have extra mod stars. I don't think I ever saw it actually post. iirc, this account was created for the purposes of testing things on the forum wrt coding, not for actually posting or modding.
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Gazpacho posted:is there any guidance on whether I don't know if "slur" is the right word for it but it's a relic of a worse time and it's not very nice to use disabilities to mock people who are simply bad or wrong.
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comedyblissoption posted:now i know how my grandma felt with her really racist children's book yeah but I'm not about to throw a boomer hissy fit if disabled people are like "hey these smilies suck"
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razorrozar posted:i think LK has proven that he was acting in good faith and continuing to dig at him is counterproductive, mean-spirited, and unnecessary It's ok, I probably deserve mockery. Homeless Friend posted:LK was having dinner with their fiance except furiously modding the forum. If that doesn't show they have the necessary brain damage to keep us safe, nothing will. dont doxx me bro
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Mekchu posted:Just please do not het rid of i would die for  it is too wholesome to criticize
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Gumball Gumption posted:They were talking about the old trans thread. It had identifiable information in it and was moved to the mod only forum. It's in Test/Moved right now actually, which is not the mod forum but is also not visible to regular members. That was me. Mods don't have each others contact information openly posted, only SA emails and Discord stuff. I think admins may speak to each other on the phone but that's something they do on their own.
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Beet Wagon posted:Mods are not gathering and archiving information on posters for later use. This is probably the simplest way to answer this question.
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Phi230 posted:if a knight was struck by lightning they'd die, idiot 
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:jeffreys notes for addressing cspam spotted lmao I sent this to him
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redneck nazgul posted:the list of things that's gonna get your buttons taken away increases he thought it was funny I like Jeffrey. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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razorrozar posted:Jeffrey can be funny and chill to hang out with and still be utterly poo poo at his job i will challenge him to posting combat the chronicles of riddick says i become admin if I win thats how this works right
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exmarx posted:lol i extremely doubt it I really meant to say texting but w/e people can do what they wanna do.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:even though I honestly suspect PPJ's flameout was more his own doing than the result of the revolutionary posting brigade, i think a big part of the problem is that it sure looks like C-SPAM just collected a mod scalp and is becoming ungovernable I’m at work again because capitalism but this is an Insightful Post re: QCS I don’t have more news than you but I will say that admins are seriously rethinking their approach to things and I’m reasonably confident than when QCS does open (I’m guessing this will be tomorrow as was planned before this PPJ stuff happened but I’m not sure on that) that there will be Dialogue (tm).
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dex_sda posted:(but you still need to pay for you're cop crimes) y do u think i post here
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White Rock posted:also kiwifarms etc is always watching. ding ding ding
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