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DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

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Cyrano4747 posted:

love the OP

Miso Beno posted:

Aw thanks guys but it's 99% plagiarized from Craptacular's lovely OP in the legacy thread, with some bits stolen from Aquarium Gravel. All I've done is added some withe formatting and editorializing.

While I will be doing a larger rework over the coming weeks and months, think of me more as a curator of the OP and less as it's author.

It's still a great effort and editing has a great impact on usefulness, don't discount the value added by your effort.

One addition for 9mm is you can get inserts for pmags - this means you won't need to get a mag insert or a dedicated lower, and the magazines will be the same size so you can use the same manual of arms. Most people say they work well, and gives last round bolt-hold-open out of the box.

Some foibles: the ejector is built into the mag insert, so the magazine has to be inserted in the gun to eject a case (or unfired round) so clearing a gun is slightly different. The ejector pin is also made of plastic and tends to be a bit bendy, and might need to be bent back into shape. Some people have had feeding issues if pressure is put on the magazine bottom (like using it as a monopod)

Overall they're cost competitive with a dedicated insert or lower. They ship in a 5-round configuration and you clip off a plastic bar that serves as a stopper to set them to 10, 20, or 30 round

I'm waiting for my SBR paperwork to clear but I can give an update once I actually use them.

Also, PSA claims they have a "hybrid" 9mm BCG that works with Glock and Colt style mags, but I had nothing but trouble with it with my colt mags.

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DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

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Re: WWSD I disagree about being questionable - they explained their reasoning pretty well and they didn't min/max against weight too much, otherwise you'd see skeletonized parts and other silliness. It's definitely a niche build, but it's a solid design ethos and everyone I show mine to loves it for how handy it is. Worst thing I can say about it is that it heats up fast and the carbon fiber handguard lets you feel it (I also got the brake version barrel since they were out of the pinned flash hider at the time, and it is a bit obnoxious if you're not the shooter). Definitely wait until the new Brownell's lower comes out though.

Caveat: This is coming from someone that puts a boat-anchor UBR stock on every other AR

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Dec 13, 2006

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22 Eargesplitten posted:

Using a full-weight BCG is definitely an example of not min-maxing it. They could have shaved off another 3-4 ounces there easily if they were min-maxing weight, but after the interview with Jim Sullivan they decided not to. That's actually one thing I am uncertain about because my understanding from the interview with him was that his concern with lightweight BCGs was the BCG bouncing, but that's really more of a concern for FA builds like the Ultimax that he designed, I've never heard of someone having a bolt bounce problem with a semi-only gun, I don't know if anyone's finger can actually work the trigger fast enough to encounter an issue with that. Then again I'm coming at it from a physics perspective rather than a "put tens of thousands of rounds through ARs" perspective, so I might be considering a spherical AR on a frictionless plane.

Ooh yeah, that's something I meant to add as recommendations for the OP: discussion about reciprocating mass, and that while a semi-auto BCG doesn't need the extra weight and is cheaper you can still sometimes get weird cycling effects from reducing that overall mass. It would also be a good place to discuss the difference in buffers and why you don't want a solid buffer, you want one that has loose weights in it to avoid bolt-bounce (even if that's only really a concern on full auto)

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Dec 13, 2006

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That makes a lot more sense and yeah I agree with all those except maybe the FA; because unless you're in a life or death situation you're probably going to make everything worse jamming something into battery that didn't want to

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Dec 13, 2006

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Miso Beno posted:

It's a fun thought exercise and an interesting build, but some folks treat it like it's the penultimate general purpose AR, which is something I disagree strongly with.

Yeah I'm totally on board with this

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Dec 13, 2006

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SwissArmyDruid posted:

I don't take issue with their choice of a carbon fiber hanguard, but I would get bumper inserts for the unused mlok slots to try and help durability. Burning your hand on a ripping hot handguard just because your gun's been sitting out in the Arizona sun seems.... bad.

I do like how much cooler the CF stays at least exposed to the sun.

(Technically it gets to the same temperature but has a lower heat capacity, so it doesn't store enough heat to burn you even if it does get up to 100* or whatever)

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Dec 13, 2006

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Bob Mundon posted:

Maybe I'm biased, but with everyone saying it's less durable has anyone ever actually run into durability problems with a cav lower? Mine is about 15 years old at this point and haven't had any issues, including me eating poo poo at a full run and having about 260 lbs fall on it in the process. Seen plenty of action in regular multigun too. Other polymer lowers fail all the time yes, but I just don't see any less durability with these. No less than than a Glock compared to a metal frame pistol anyway. Might be wrong, but a carbine buffer tube seems like a bigger risk to me.

Did just put a gunner profile on it though, loving this setup. If you have a cav lower you really owe it to yourself to have a lightweight barrel on it. Previously had a 20in govt and it's a massive upgrade. Inrange wasn't necessarily scientific about it, but directionally yeah it's the way to go to me.

Didn't they say a truck rolled over a bag of guns at one point and the cav arms lowers were the only ones undamaged?

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Dec 13, 2006

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Soft Velvety Nose posted:

Has anyone here done an lefty build? A lot of what I read says "don't bother",
which seems a little odd, but its the internet so who knows. It seems like it would
probably add to the cost though not outrageously so. The list of manufactures
is longer than I expected with stag being the fav.

This would be my first build (with the help of someone experienced).

Lots of people do ambidextrous builds, the worst thing you typically have to deal with is gas blowback to the face. In that regard, an adjustable gas block is a big quality of life improvement, and you can get ambi safety selectors and bolt releases.

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Dec 13, 2006

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timn posted:

Gotta for a minute here just because it's within my field. When you touch something and feel how hot it is, what you're actually feeling is merely the rate of heat transfer between the surface of your skin and the object you're touching.

Rate of heat transfer in this case is proportional to two things, the thermal conductivity of the touching materials and the difference in temperature between them. The relevant difference between CF and aluminum here is that aluminum has a much higher thermal conductivity.

(Most metals have high thermal conductivity because of their highly organized crystalline structure at the molecular level, which helps the atoms transfer energy to each other more efficiently when they vibrate together. The crystalline structure also gives metals high electrical conductivity for a similar sort of reason. Contrast with glass, which is in fact not crystalline and has relatively low conductivity.)

Heat capacity measures how much energy it takes to raise the temperature of an object by a certain amount. So for a similar amount of thermal energy a higher heat capacity material might be at a lower temperature, which itself affects the rate of heat transfer depending on the temperature of whatever it's touching.

Yup that's all 100% true and I knew that and hosed up my explanation

Miso Beno posted:

Thanks I will add that when I rework the PCC section

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Dec 13, 2006

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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

is a new bolt supposed to be really tight? the bolt is a really tight fight in the bcg.

Shouldn't be. You should be able to flick your wrist while holding the BCG and the bolt should come out, then push it in and flick it open again. That's how I test if it's lubed sufficiently.

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Dec 13, 2006

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That Works posted:

I like the Brownells LPK tbh

Had good luck with Brownell's and aero precision, since I've been spoiled by good triggers

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Dec 13, 2006

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dema posted:

A rifle for home defense seems a little curious to me. I use a handgun with JHP and a separate Surefire flashlight. Don't like the idea of necessarily having to point the gun at someone/something to illuminate them.

But home intruders aren't high on my list of concerns. Live in a decent neighborhood and I've got a big dog.

Box of Truth did a thing with .223/5.56 and it's actually decent for limiting over penetration, though yeah seems like handling would be a concern

I'm in the same boat though I'm not worried about home defense, all my stuff is locked up most of the time.

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Dec 13, 2006

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Beardless posted:

The pins aren't captive, since those little detents and holes would create a weak spot in the polymer, so I think they're just planning on having replacement pins readily available.

Yeah you can't use captive pins, the ones that came with my GWACS were just regular pins with a ball detent in the end. In addition the holes are offset juuuuuust a little bit so they are friction fit, since you can't have the regular detent snap them into place. It can be a pain to release the pins, actually, I usually use a punch.

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Dec 13, 2006

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SinistralRifleman posted:

The mold can produce a receiver every 60 seconds.

We are working with an FFL licensed molding facility and secondary Ops will be done at our facility.


Optimization for use with PMAGs that didnít exist when the MKII was made in 2003.

Better grip angle

MLOK and QD socket attachment points.

Flared magwell

Winter trigger guard

Corrected pin alignment with the upper.

And some other optimized manufacturing processes like CNC trimming.

Wasn't there a storage compartment in the stock too?

I need a place to store my tactical skittles

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Dec 13, 2006

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SinistralRifleman posted:

Coupon code 13370pz is still valid for 20% at KEArms.com for something awful TFR members.



Well crap, looks like I'm getting a toy

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Dec 13, 2006

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A.o.D. posted:

Tactical Skittles belong in the pistol grip.

No joke it would be cool if there was another compartment there. I tend to keep documents in there like for suppressors or sbrs and magpul pistol grips have a nice latch

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Dec 13, 2006

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Shaocaholica posted:

What car do you have? Getting those big hard cases into cars can sometimes be difficult.

This is an important consideration. I have to hold my seat down and put the other one sideways, and it's a bit of a puzzle getting anything in and out

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Dec 13, 2006

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DeesGrandpa posted:

For the base rifle you chose a pretty cheap way to roll. Like bikes, weight really is where the prices/weirdness go up on in the AR field. Get an aero/colt/whoever lower you like cheap, some people dislike anderson but all the ones I've had at $50 or so have been fine, and take look on gunbroker or arfcom for HBAR 20" barrels (or better yet, barreled uppers). These are pretty much the least desirable barrels out there right now, and if you don't mind going used you'll be able to score some cheap. Get some MLOK magpul drop in handguards, a rifle buffer/A1 stock, and then go nuts on accessories. If you want to go a little pricier do free floated handguards (they are worth it). Don't know a ton about drums/bipods (used some QD harris bipods that were fine, and some magpul D60s that are not drums, but also fine), and absolutely nothing about commercial thermal optics.

If you want a basic lovely (but fully functional) PSA lower, I've got one kicking around you're welcome to (I do often enjoy the podcasts), just give me a week to get it to my FFL to ship (tomsinternetjunkemail@gmail.com).

Wifi Toilet posted:

Sounds like you want a AR10 instead of an AR15. You can just stick to Aero Precision's M5 stuff and you'll end up with a pretty good one.

This is the way to go. If you want a big long distance rifle, go AR10 in .308 or 6.5 Creedmore or grendel or something else

Bipods, Harris is probably who you want to go with. Magpul makes a good lightweight model but it's not as stable as a Harris. There's a few other manufacturers as well

Free float is quite worth it for accuracy.

I don't know how well a thermal scope works at range but good luck with that

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Dec 13, 2006

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DeesGrandpa posted:

There's a difference between "want to build first AR15" to be big and dumb and wanting to build a big and dumb AR type rifle. Yeah, an AR10 definitely fits the bigger part better, but there's a certain low priced ammo and parts commonality benefit charm a 15 variant has.

Do wanna be record as pro absurdity though, so get that 458 insanity if you're not set on 223

Yeah big thing with AR10s is lowers and uppers don't always play well

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Dec 13, 2006

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Captain Log posted:

I need to know what jokes are being made here.

I'm not familiar with Armstech.

IngSoc is "English Socialism" from 1984

zOrg is a weapons manufacturer from Fifth Element (played brilliantly by Gary Oldman) and has a gun that bullets fly every which way directly to the target, even when aimed in the opposite direction

Not familiar with Globex or Project Arcturus

I would still buy any and all of them

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Okay, so I've got ten Lancer L5s for my new rifle (4x 20rd, 6x 30rd), and I've noticed two things:

1. They can comfortably fit 21 and 31 rounds respectively, and
2. When loaded with 21 and 31 rounds respectively, they're solid - but when they're loaded with 20 and 30, a solid hit on the baseplate sends a round flying 100% of the time.

My questions are: can/will the L5s function correctly with +1 over listed capacity, and so long as I'm not doing a competition, are the L5s fine if I baby them, or should I get them replaced?

Also, while I'm hoping to put the first rounds through my new rifle on Saturday, someone's already posted a trip report where they found the rifle imparts these markings on the copper casings when chambered:



(I think the bottom round is .300BLK which is confusing)

"Wondered if something was happening when closing the bolt with the first round and ejected round 1, 2 and 3 from a mag to take a closer look for jacket damage. Saw a typical longitudinal scar from running up the feed ramp that was about the same on every round, but also saw an odd spiral circumferential scratch on all of them that ran about 120% of the way around the bullet down by the ogive. You'll see a close up of 3 rounds below. We repeated this exercise with 2 other bullet weights (I think we tried 55, 69 and 77gr altogether) and saw the same markings."

Thoughts?

I'm guessing it's engaging the leade from the rifling. Not ideal I think but it shouldn't be an issue

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Dec 13, 2006

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My 9mm AR is a dream to shoot... well, at least until it blew up

It probably had a "meatier" impulse but the recoil isn't way worse that I can recall. My WWSD with a brake is easier to control but has a huge concussion wave if you're not directly behind it, while some of the others have a sharper kick though probably not as strong

Also:


mischief posted:

This is the way.

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Dec 13, 2006

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SwissArmyDruid posted:

It's JUST a loving UPPER, WHY the gently caress is it TWO-and-a-half THOUSAND DOLLARS!?

Christ, I can only hope that the MEAN upper comes in south of $1k.

edit: Not that I'll ever buy one, just.... I would like sanity to still apply in places, please.

Exactly what I was thinking, though I kind of want to get one especially if my SBR comes through.

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Action-Bastard posted:

Point taken and I know you're not the only goon who's had issues with them but at a glance they seemed to be the only ones with that barrel in stock.


Jsyk OpticsPlanet probably doesn't have them in stock either. They will advertise a price, sit for a large enough pool of orders, and then get them in. Sometimes months later. At least, that's how I understand it, it can take months for orders of "in stock" items to come through. If you're in no hurry they can get good prices, but it's a crapshoot when you'll get something

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ZebraBlade posted:

AAC is reportedly being shut down as well. They supposedly haven't made any new cans for many months and only had 2 original AAC employees left doing nothing but warranty work, who are both now gone.

Glad I got the 3-lug adapter when I did

Internet Wizard posted:

The guy who started Bushmaster left and founded Wyndham. Bushmaster kept going though. Until last week, when it was announced both Bushmaster and DPMS would be shutting down.

Remington bought the Bushmaster name and like most things bought by them the vulture capital firm that bought them they ran it into the ground.

DPMS "Don't Purchase Me Stupid" wasn't big loss at least

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Dec 13, 2006

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

and they criminally underutilized Sigourney.

This is every movie imo

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Mortabis posted:

The thing about brand equity is that it's very easy to destroy with a few bad products. You can put poop in a box and sell it for a little while, but only a little while.

Seems to have worked ok for Cards Against Humanity

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Dec 13, 2006

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Miso Beno posted:

Added a few lines to the op, about the group's opinions about certain manufacturers, vendors, and suppliers. If you have any experience with any of the listed companies that don't have a blurb, or think my blurbs are horribly wrong let's get that sorted out now.

You forgot Optics Planet, which has good deals but it's because they wait until they can get a huge order and buy at a bulk discount, and their "in stock" is complete bullshit. Still good deals if you don't mind potentially waiting a few months for a part.

I got a Bravo Company BCG and it was fine, no complaints. Dunno much else about them but they seem like a regular vendor.

Noveske used to be THE high performance barrel manufacturer, but they charged boutique prices and Faxon has eaten their lunch on all but the money-is-no-object guillotine set.

Faxon is a great barrel supplier, they've been advancing the state of the art with pinned/welded muzzle devices that are the same diameter as a standard barrel (so you can take gas blocks on and off even on a 14.5" barrel) and are now coming out with a solid machined version which should be even better and cheaper since you don't have that pin/weld step.

You should also mention using http://gun.deals to check prices, it's a great price aggregator and you can set notifications for price drops.

Also I'm still buttsfrustrated that you don't see how handy a WWSD rifle can be! anyone that spends $$$$ just to copy it exactly though is missing the point of the exercise

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Android Apocalypse posted:

IIRC having a different buffer weight won't affect the "softness" of the recoil as much as your gas tube length. By the sounds of it you're running a carbine system, which will in its nature have a sharper recoil than a midlength or rifle gas. The only thing a heavier buffer will do is slow down the speed of how fast your bolt moves, which in turn can help with cycling & parts wear.

This is generally correct

Changing your buffer isn't going to do much, as the gun's operation is dictated by the spring-mass-damper system and the length of your gas tube. The natural frequency of that system is driven by the square root of (spring constant / mass) and the damping factor determines attenuation, so doubling the mass results in only a 30% reduction in natural frequency. In reality you're not going anywhere near doubling the system mass with a heavier buffer, so your effect is minimal.

In short: Increasing buffer mass will only slightly modify the system, as its real purpose is cycling properly under full auto and preventing bolt bounce.

In most cases an H1 or H2 buffer is what you want. Heavier buffers can be warranted with pure blowback systems like most 9mm builds, but that's because the mass is the only thing keeping things in battery. Under no circumstances should you use a solid buffer weight in a blowback system, as it's the loose weight that prevent bolt bounce.

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Rocko Bonaparte posted:

Well, I think I found out I could have aced the build only to discover everybody already bought all the ammo anyways.

Switch to comedy option AR-12?

Ammo will come back available soon enough. I know that's little comfort when you have a new toy but it'll come back eventually.

Comedy option: join us in the reloading thread and lose all your money get massive savings!

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Rontalvos posted:

Some people are making clones of mitary configs, some people like the balance of a chopped barrel, with disposable income you can buy whatever configuration you want. When I did my SBR I made it worth while with a 5.5" AR9.

Yeah lots of people want M4geries that look like the short-barreled military rifle, so they get a short barrel with carbine gas system and have the stuff on the end welded on so it doesn't run afoul of NFA requirements

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Dec 13, 2006

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Shaocaholica posted:

Extra parts are the natural reproductive life cycle of the AR.

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Fifty Three posted:

Thanks! Magpul UBR, it's heavy af but I find it balances a 20" upper (can't remember the profile) perfectly.

This

I affectionately call them boat anchors after hearing Cyrano call his that, but they balance the rifle beautifully and it's an adjustable stock that's rock solid at every length of pull. Plus it has its own buffer tube, so one less thing to buy. I've put them on every one of mine besides the WWSD lightweight build

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I've been super impressed with Aero's freefloat handguard system. Cutstom barrel but like a lot of them, but it has neat wedges you cinch with Allen keys and fits amazingly well, especially with an Aero upper. On mine you can't hardly tell there's a seam

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Combatace posted:

Hello AR15 thread. I just built my first AR/first firearm ever.



The upper was adopted off of my friend minus optics/sights. The lower is a rescue Aero X15 with an Aero Parts kit inside of it. I know that my takedown pins are mismatched in the photo, the rear nextgen pin is in place irl

Its almost entirely complete except for one tiny issue. I'm having a really hard time getting the roll pin for the bolt stop/release through. I'm having a hard time believing that an Aero parts kit and an Aero lower would be out of spec from each other, so I really think I'm doing something wrong. I don't know if its my not the best dexterity keeping the pin in place, or not having enough space to get force with my mallet (approaching from rear of the receiver downward), but that thing is not going in at all. Should I like...taper an end of that pin so it fits into the hole ever so slightly so that it sticks out a bit without assistance?

That said, I really enjoyed putting my lower together entirely for the experience of my front pivot pin detente flying away never to be heard from again only to find it under my chair the next day.

I believe the bolt catch roll pin goes in from the front, not the rear, though I also don't think it should matter. You also will have a much easier time if you have a punch set, as you'll have a little more space. Sanding/filing in a lead-in chamfer won't hurt anything if it will help you get it started.

If you have punches, an easy trick is to hold everything together with a smaller punch thread through the holes then drive it out with the roll pin. There's also specialty tools that help but they're probably not worth it for most people.

Another strategy is to get the pin started with the catch in place but not aligned. When it hits the catch, align the holes and tap the roll pin to hold things in place, then drive it the rest of the way. This method is more prone to headaches but doesn't require more tools.

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Capn Beeb posted:


also also whoever called it in gave them the exact address down to the house number, heard it over the radio, so that's somewhat concerning, p sure I know who it was though and nobody in town likes them on account of them being a perpetual busybody into everyone's business

Go to their house and introduce yourself. Be super neighborly, say hi and maybe bring a pie. Lay it on reall thick

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The Bananana posted:

Looking for a complete AR-9 upper, that has a quad picatinny (I prefer over mlok. No real good reason. If I'm off base, please let me know. It would open up my options) , and can take colt mags, with an 8 inch barrel, +/- .5 inch.

Found one on ar15parts I liked, but the dang site won't let me, ahem, pull the trigger.

I'd also like to stay between 3 and 4 hundred.

Quad rails are heavy as hell, uncomfortable to hold unless you install panels, and don't really provide much advantage for attachments over Mlok (unless you're putting optics on all of them, in which case )

They were super popular for a while because they look cool, then people started using them and realized holding them sucks

Android Apocalypse posted:

Who makes no-logo AR lowers? I think this shelter-in-place is making me insane & now I'm all self-conscious of my Poverty Pony lower.

Rock that Poverty Pony with pride (as long as it works, which can be a big "if")

A cooler logo isn't going to make it shoot better

DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Apr 10, 2020

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Ceros_X posted:

Looking at DD rails, their 7" MLOK rail weighs in at 6.7oz and their 7" Omega quad rail weighs 7.6oz, so not a whole lot but 12% more or so. Also if you find the rails uncomfortable and add rail covers that adds to weight (and girth).

That weight is all out at the front too, where it's going to feel a lot heavier. If you don't believe me, hold a one pound weight at arm's length and five pounds next to your body and see which arm gets tired first

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The Bananana posted:

Yo, will a standard AR15 mag vice block fit in a 9mm lower? Cause i feel like i know the answer is no, bit i wanted to double-check.

If you can fit a standard magazine into it, either because you're using endomags or can remove a mag block adapter, then yes

Otherwise no

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DakianDelomast posted:

I found in my closet during my spring build-fest a Mega forged, a Mega Billet Ambi, and a Mega MATEN with the 12" integrated handguard and ambi bolt release. I guess when Zev announced their purchase I panicked and threw them in the closet.

Jealous

My first build was a MEGA billet upper and ambi lower, and I love them but not for $Zev to get any new ones

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